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  Sovrath

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5/14/12 11:49:44 AM#41
Originally posted by Terranah

Can a person be seduced into pedofilia?  Because I think you are either a pedofile or you are not and a playable videogame character is not going to influence you one way or another.

 

To me the Elin look cute, not sexual.  

Thank you and I agree.

The few times I've been at the beach and saw little kids playing and tops coming off, shorts being pulled down etc, I didn't think one sexual thought. Awww, cute, kids playing.

The Elin don't even look like kids to me. They look like Anime Faerie people.

  Kuppa

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The problem with censorship is ********

 
OP  5/14/12 11:51:13 AM#42
Originally posted by NaughtyP

Censoring a video game? Okay, how about not making war games where I can maim or kill everything in sight. Or the ones where I can play as a drug dealer and beat people to death with a dildo. Oh wait, that's somehow acceptable... for what reason?

"Selective censorship" makes things like this a complete fucking joke. Either do it for everything or don't do it at all.

They actually decided to back down on it to get a better PEGI rating. Otherwise, they could have left it in and gotten a more mature rating. So actually more than censorship it was a business move.


  BizkitNL

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5/14/12 11:51:30 AM#43
Originally posted by Terranah

Can a person be seduced into pedofilia?  Because I think you are either a pedofile or you are not and a playable videogame character is not going to influence you one way or another.

 

To me the Elin look cute, not sexual.  

Well, if everyone we're like you, we'd be fine then :).

But we're not. And that's where it gets messy. I've seen kids go sex-crazy over less than this. Or more.....uhm... you know.

But I think we're missing an important aspect of censorship here: "The other guy". The guy you have no control over without censoring the source.

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  adam_nox

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5/14/12 11:52:04 AM#44
Originally posted by NaughtyP

Censoring a video game? Okay, how about not making war games where I can maim or kill everything in sight. Or the ones where I can play as a drug dealer and beat people to death with a dildo. Oh wait, that's somehow acceptable... for what reason?

"Selective censorship" makes things like this a complete fucking joke. Either do it for everything or don't do it at all.

It's not selective, and the comparison between watching murder in games and the creation of child sexualization is not and never has been valid.  It's always brought up in these topics, and it's very tiresome.  The crime of murder is the real act, the crime of child porn is the creation of the imagery itself. 

But this isn't even about legality, at least not yet.  It's about what they think an american audience, and lobbyist groups, and politicians will stomach if they happent to see the Elin.  The publishers don't want a crusade against their game.

It's not censorship, it's business.  ffs...

  adam_nox

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5/14/12 11:53:43 AM#45
Originally posted by adam_nox

http://www.snopes.com/risque/kinky/panties.asp

 

discussion over.

just going to keep quoting myself I guess, because I'm really tired of the apologists for japanese culture.

  Kuppa

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OP  5/14/12 11:54:00 AM#46
Originally posted by adam_nox
Originally posted by NaughtyP

Censoring a video game? Okay, how about not making war games where I can maim or kill everything in sight. Or the ones where I can play as a drug dealer and beat people to death with a dildo. Oh wait, that's somehow acceptable... for what reason?

"Selective censorship" makes things like this a complete fucking joke. Either do it for everything or don't do it at all.

It's not selective, and the comparison between watching murder in games and the creation of child sexualization is not and never has been valid.  It's always brought up in these topics, and it's very tiresome.  The crime of murder is the real act, the crime of child porn is the creation of the imagery itself. 

But this isn't even about legality, at least not yet.  It's about what they think an american audience, and lobbyist groups, and politicians will stomach if they happent to see the Elin.  The publishers don't want a crusade against their game.

It's not censorship, it's business.  ffs...


  Otakun

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5/14/12 11:59:17 AM#47
Originally posted by adam_nox
Originally posted by adam_nox

http://www.snopes.com/risque/kinky/panties.asp

 

discussion over.

just going to keep quoting myself I guess, because I'm really tired of the apologists for japanese culture.

Except for the fact that this is a Korean game ... 

  ironhelix

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5/14/12 12:02:03 PM#48
Originally posted by adam_nox

http://www.snopes.com/risque/kinky/panties.asp

 

discussion over.

This article is EXACTLY right.

  Tyrranosaur

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5/14/12 12:03:14 PM#49
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by Sybnal

First off, fuck censorshitp.  The only person on this planet capable of determining what kind of media I can or can't see is me. 

Second I don't think it's the fact that it's little girls running around smiling, it's scantily clad little girls running around smiling in G-Strings that did it.  If that's normal, in Korea, so be it, I'm not gonna judge. It's not even real, it's just a cartoon.  If I ever had my head so far up my ass to be offended by a video game, I just wouldn't play it. 

 

You sure about that? Do you have kids? U fine with porn all over the place??

Yep, this is the kind of argument that really sets a hard line between those without kids (single adults and teens) and actual parents (and for that matter, parents with daughters). I have a son, but before he was born and we didn't know the gender, I gave a lot of thought to what raising a girl would mean, and our society looks downright predatory toward women from that perspective.

Having to be responsible for someone, and realizing that something which might be okay for an adult to internalize is suddenly and readily accesible to a child, is a shocking slap in the face. When I became a parent I had to start thinking about this, about implementing parental controls, and about considering what entertainment would be "for mom and dad" vs. available to my child. Sexuality is inevitable in a child's life, but as I see it, let's try to stave off the introduction and immersion our society is so fond of pumping out in multimedia until the kid is actually ready....and even then, try to contextualize it so that we don't have a runaway society that is built on principles that allow old men to sexualize pre-teens.

 

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  Xzen

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5/14/12 12:03:32 PM#50
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by Sybnal

First off, fuck censorshitp.  The only person on this planet capable of determining what kind of media I can or can't see is me. 

Second I don't think it's the fact that it's little girls running around smiling, it's scantily clad little girls running around smiling in G-Strings that did it.  If that's normal, in Korea, so be it, I'm not gonna judge. It's not even real, it's just a cartoon.  If I ever had my head so far up my ass to be offended by a video game, I just wouldn't play it. 

 

You sure about that? Do you have kids? U fine with porn all over the place??

Parents should be the censor for their children, it should not be the place of society to watch kids for parents.

How would you sensor your kids from public flyers and advertisement??

Public Flyers?  Advertisements?

what are you talking about?

Do you see overly sexualized children on flyers and adverts all the time?

Why is it society's job to concern itself with how you raise YOUR child, you made the choice to have one, you have to take the responcibility to raise it right.

Please do so, thanks.

Are you not reading the post? He said: "First off, fuck censorshitp."

I am replying saying that without censorship you could have porn could be anywhere and everywhere. I asked him if he was fine with that.

Do you follow now? I was using a hypotetical argument as to why we still need censorship...

You are using a hypothetical that again is an impossibiltiy,

What if aliens came and anal probed everyone!?

GASP!?

its just as impossible.

When you use a hypothetical you must use one that is at the very least a possiblitiy.

 

Wow, you are really confused. First of, that is not "impossible" its illegal. If it weren't, there would definately be advertisement for it all over the place just like any entertainment company does.

I guess none of you guys ever been to Las Vegas. They advertise for "Call girls" everywhere. In California I've heard radio advertisements for breast implants. I've seen a school bus stop and right across the street a woman wearing less clothing than on the original Eline models in my own town.

  gimmesome

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5/14/12 12:05:15 PM#51

...And this is another reason cencorship is stupid and very unproductive.

 

In the gaming world (news, forums, interviews, debates, etc)  There's now more generated discussion, links, pics, jokes, insults, and all out attention to child pornography and little girl's panties than there was before the censorship bat hit the Elin in Tera.

 

 

  cronius77

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5/14/12 12:06:13 PM#52

they will ignore you as they do not care about logic , just making their own point. The culture in general in a lot of asian countries exploit children all the time and anyone here that makes excuses for a pedo korean company is either in denial or has alternative motives. They knew when they put the race in the game to western audiances it would cause heavy drama. Go roll a toon on the RP server in En Masse and read the chat for a couple of hours , there is active ERP going on as Elins etc. There is specials all the time on the news about the child sex trade in asian countries and how the governments do not even attempt to do a thing about it. Its accepted and even the ones who hate it still just frown on it and do not do a thing about it. If people are decent human beings they shouldnt be RPing a kid in panties skipping along sorry but anyone with a logical brain should see the red flag here.

  Otakun

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5/14/12 12:11:26 PM#53
Originally posted by cronius77

they will ignore you as they do not care about logic , just making their own point. The culture in general in a lot of asian countries exploit children all the time and anyone here that makes excuses for a pedo korean company is either in denial or has alternative motives. They knew when they put the race in the game to western audiances it would cause heavy drama. Go roll a toon on the RP server in En Masse and read the chat for a couple of hours , there is active ERP going on as Elins etc. There is specials all the time on the news about the child sex trade in asian countries and how the governments do not even attempt to do a thing about it. Its accepted and even the ones who hate it still just frown on it and do not do a thing about it. If people are decent human beings they shouldnt be RPing a kid in panties skipping along sorry but anyone with a logical brain should see the red flag here.

Wow, talk about ignorant. If you believe asian countries are the only places with child sex trade then you are obviously bias. Another thing is that Elin are not children. They are short women. To call Elin's children are like calling female dwarves and gnomes in WoW children. The only difference is that Korean games prefer pretty looking things over ugly orcs. 

  Xzen

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5/14/12 12:13:34 PM#54
Originally posted by cronius77

they will ignore you as they do not care about logic , just making their own point. The culture in general in a lot of asian countries exploit children all the time and anyone here that makes excuses for a pedo korean company is either in denial or has alternative motives. They knew when they put the race in the game to western audiances it would cause heavy drama. Go roll a toon on the RP server in En Masse and read the chat for a couple of hours , there is active ERP going on as Elins etc. There is specials all the time on the news about the child sex trade in asian countries and how the governments do not even attempt to do a thing about it. Its accepted and even the ones who hate it still just frown on it and do not do a thing about it. If people are decent human beings they shouldnt be RPing a kid in panties skipping along sorry but anyone with a logical brain should see the red flag here.

Oh yes like the same trade doesn't exist in western countries. Tell me how hard you have worked to stop this human trafficking.

  gimmesome

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5/14/12 12:14:34 PM#55
Originally posted by cronius77

they will ignore you as they do not care about logic , just making their own point. The culture in general in a lot of asian countries exploit children all the time and anyone here that makes excuses for a pedo korean company is either in denial or has alternative motives. They knew when they put the race in the game to western audiances it would cause heavy drama. Go roll a toon on the RP server in En Masse and read the chat for a couple of hours , there is active ERP going on as Elins etc. There is specials all the time on the news about the child sex trade in asian countries and how the governments do not even attempt to do a thing about it. Its accepted and even the ones who hate it still just frown on it and do not do a thing about it. If people are decent human beings they shouldnt be RPing a kid in panties skipping along sorry but anyone with a logical brain should see the red flag here.

 

Some cultures view the animals we slaughter, hunt, or tame as Gods or other spiritual entities.    Some culturess use narcotics or other psychadelic drugs to induce meditation or metaphysical trances.    Some cultures eat the hearts of their slain foes.    Some cultures mutilate their children at a certain age in a ceremonial fashion as a right of passage to adulthood.     AND... some societies strongly sexualize children/women and make profit doing so.  

  Most of us, including myself, in the US don't subscribe to such beliefs or ways of life.    To each their own is how we're supposed to live harmoniously on the same planet.      

If you don't like what's depicted in a videogame, don't play it.   But, as it's a form of entertainment meant to reach people across the globe, it's very selfish of anyone who doesn't play it or like it to stop other people with different tastes, views, or lifestyles from enjoying the pixels.     It's a game, not a political initiative.

  Kuppa

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The problem with censorship is ********

 
OP  5/14/12 12:16:03 PM#56
Originally posted by Xzen
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by Sybnal

First off, fuck censorshitp.  The only person on this planet capable of determining what kind of media I can or can't see is me. 

Second I don't think it's the fact that it's little girls running around smiling, it's scantily clad little girls running around smiling in G-Strings that did it.  If that's normal, in Korea, so be it, I'm not gonna judge. It's not even real, it's just a cartoon.  If I ever had my head so far up my ass to be offended by a video game, I just wouldn't play it. 

 

You sure about that? Do you have kids? U fine with porn all over the place??

Parents should be the censor for their children, it should not be the place of society to watch kids for parents.

How would you sensor your kids from public flyers and advertisement??

Public Flyers?  Advertisements?

what are you talking about?

Do you see overly sexualized children on flyers and adverts all the time?

Why is it society's job to concern itself with how you raise YOUR child, you made the choice to have one, you have to take the responcibility to raise it right.

Please do so, thanks.

Are you not reading the post? He said: "First off, fuck censorshitp."

I am replying saying that without censorship you could have porn could be anywhere and everywhere. I asked him if he was fine with that.

Do you follow now? I was using a hypotetical argument as to why we still need censorship...

You are using a hypothetical that again is an impossibiltiy,

What if aliens came and anal probed everyone!?

GASP!?

its just as impossible.

When you use a hypothetical you must use one that is at the very least a possiblitiy.

 

Wow, you are really confused. First of, that is not "impossible" its illegal. If it weren't, there would definately be advertisement for it all over the place just like any entertainment company does.

I guess none of you guys ever been to Las Vegas. They advertise for "Call girls" everywhere. In California I've heard radio advertisements for breast implants. I've seen a school bus stop and right across the street a woman wearing less clothing than on the original Eline models in my own town.

Skimpy clothing is not what Im talking about. And in Vegas if one of the folks handing out the small ad cards gives it to a minor they could end up in a world of hurt....


  Xzen

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5/14/12 12:22:10 PM#57
Originally posted by gimmesome
Originally posted by cronius77

 sorry but anyone with a logical brain should see the red flag here.

 

 Some cultures mutilate their children at a certain age in a ceremonial fashion as a right of passage to adulthood.     

  Most of us, including myself, in the US don't subscribe to such beliefs or ways of life.    To each their own is how we're supposed to live harmoniously on the same planet.      

 

Well circumcision happens in the US regularly and is generally accepted....

  cronius77

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5/14/12 12:22:36 PM#58
Originally posted by Otakun
Originally posted by cronius77

they will ignore you as they do not care about logic , just making their own point. The culture in general in a lot of asian countries exploit children all the time and anyone here that makes excuses for a pedo korean company is either in denial or has alternative motives. They knew when they put the race in the game to western audiances it would cause heavy drama. Go roll a toon on the RP server in En Masse and read the chat for a couple of hours , there is active ERP going on as Elins etc. There is specials all the time on the news about the child sex trade in asian countries and how the governments do not even attempt to do a thing about it. Its accepted and even the ones who hate it still just frown on it and do not do a thing about it. If people are decent human beings they shouldnt be RPing a kid in panties skipping along sorry but anyone with a logical brain should see the red flag here.

Wow, talk about ignorant. If you believe asian countries are the only places with child sex trade then you are obviously bias. Another thing is that Elin are not children. They are short women. To call Elin's children are like calling female dwarves and gnomes in WoW children. The only difference is that Korean games prefer pretty looking things over ugly orcs. 

 

 

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better of playing a Child Toon in panties skipping around smiling and laughing. Youre right though I am bias maybe.... but at least in my country you go to jail and are branded on a list if you get caught in that garbage. I do not play Tera anymore and I left En Masse a nice long message about this ERP garbage going on in their game. They told me to give it another week they would catch up and clean up the pedo talk in the general chat , but I didnt bother. If it quaks like a duck it is a duck correct?

 

  just1opinion

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5/14/12 12:24:42 PM#59
Originally posted by adam_nox
Originally posted by adam_nox

http://www.snopes.com/risque/kinky/panties.asp

 

discussion over.

just going to keep quoting myself I guess, because I'm really tired of the apologists for japanese culture.

 

Here, I'll quote you too.  The link is pretty damning if you believe anything on Snopes (I happen to).  And if you don't....you can always research it yourself.  The presence of the Elin and the over-sexualization of women in TERA is why I chose not to play it.  For me, that title, just seems overboard with it for a game.  Games have a broad audience (age-wise) and in my OPINION this sort of thing is just abused in some games.  Oh sure, it's rated M....like that stops some stupid parents from giving it to their kids.  Whatever.

 

Just not my cup of tea.  Only an opinion, nothing more, nothing less, and not based on anything but the art style.

 

By the way....I do not think only Asian countries have issues with this.  My opinion is not against any people group, just the art style for this one game.

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  NaughtyP

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5/14/12 12:29:05 PM#60
Originally posted by adam_nox
Originally posted by NaughtyP

Censoring a video game? Okay, how about not making war games where I can maim or kill everything in sight. Or the ones where I can play as a drug dealer and beat people to death with a dildo. Oh wait, that's somehow acceptable... for what reason?

"Selective censorship" makes things like this a complete fucking joke. Either do it for everything or don't do it at all.

It's not selective, and the comparison between watching murder in games and the creation of child sexualization is not and never has been valid.  It's always brought up in these topics, and it's very tiresome.  The crime of murder is the real act, the crime of child porn is the creation of the imagery itself. 

But this isn't even about legality, at least not yet.  It's about what they think an american audience, and lobbyist groups, and politicians will stomach if they happent to see the Elin.  The publishers don't want a crusade against their game.

It's not censorship, it's business.  ffs...

While it makes sense from a business point of view, I don't really agree that they should HAVE to do it in order to make their buck. It's holding a company hostage when they have to choose between product and money because it's an obvious choice.

I'm not advocating child sexualization, but it also has to be about the context here. If I draw a stick figure of a woman does that mean I'm advocating anorexia? If I make a sculpt of someone with giant muscles that can't be done naturally am I advocating steroid usage? I don't think a creator in any medium should be held accountable for someone not being able to distinguish between fiction and reality, right and wrong.

So yes, you're right. It is about business in the end. But I don't think for a second that creators want to put asterisks beside each piece of work they do that say "now now, don't think bad thoughts Timmy!"

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