Originally posted by 190192

This is so fucking stupid... ofc it is a rpg. The people who tell you otherwise is just butt hurt becouse blizzard change their game. There is no rules that say that a rpg have too be open world. You chose a class, level up, pick talents and grind for gear.

 But...That is not an RPG..Just maybe a small fraction of a real RPG

Just because you choose talents and level up..and hmm..grind for gear..

Diablo franchise is a hack n slash game, since there is no story ..just loot drops and characther grinds..

Some may argue here that there is a STORY, but well there isn't really..The one that is told is really only "flair", nothing you say or do will ever matter in Diablo. 

Its awesome, whatever that is.

Originally posted by dzoni87

 

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Originally posted by neorandom

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Originally posted by fenistil

Diablo and similar games (Torchlight , Path of Exile ,etc) since begginings had their own genre -hack&slash .
So nah Diablo 3 is not an rpg. It is hack & slash. 
 

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except you clearly play a role in the game.  monks can set up as tanks/healers/buffs/debuffs or a little of everything.  literally, i see people griping that they dont understand this game they never played, but they saw screenshots from a beta, and feel that entitles them to anonymously bitch on an internet forum.

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  I am not  hating on Diablo III and anything (not even planning on playing so i will stay neutral on this one) but i get pretty frustrated when i see people that dont know what RP in RPG means.
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A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting, or through a process of structured decision-making or character development. Actions taken within many games succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines

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  RP stands for Roleplaying. It forms it roots back in early 70's in early days of DnD pen and paper game. You TAKE A ROLE on the character that you create on paper or 'Character Sheet'. Similar to what you do it when you play an acting role in theater on at the movie set.

 

  Only difference is that at PC RPGs you have Character Creation Window instead of "character sheet". Is Diablo III RPG. Diablo serial as a whole never was an RPG. It was all about Dungeon Crawling like Rogue, Gauntlet and all games before it was.

I advise you to go to the Hobby store, get a book called "Dungeons and Dragons", buy couple of those strange dices, get some pens and a lot of blank and graph papers, bring some friends with you along and you will get what i am talking about.

Dungeon crawlers are a subgenre of role playing games. There are pen and paper modules for Dungeon and Dragons that are dungeon crawlers. Gary Gygax often used pregenerated character sheets and pregenerated dungeons when demonstrating AD&D first edition.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by dzoni87

 

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Originally posted by neorandom

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Originally posted by fenistil

Diablo and similar games (Torchlight , Path of Exile ,etc) since begginings had their own genre -hack&slash .
So nah Diablo 3 is not an rpg. It is hack & slash. 
 

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except you clearly play a role in the game.  monks can set up as tanks/healers/buffs/debuffs or a little of everything.  literally, i see people griping that they dont understand this game they never played, but they saw screenshots from a beta, and feel that entitles them to anonymously bitch on an internet forum.

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  I am not  hating on Diablo III and anything (not even planning on playing so i will stay neutral on this one) but i get pretty frustrated when i see people that dont know what RP in RPG means.
Quote from Wikipedia:

 

 

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A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting, or through a process of structured decision-making or character development. Actions taken within many games succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines

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  RP stands for Roleplaying. It forms it roots back in early 70's in early days of DnD pen and paper game. You TAKE A ROLE on the character that you create on paper or 'Character Sheet'. Similar to what you do it when you play an acting role in theater on at the movie set.

 

  Only difference is that at PC RPGs you have Character Creation Window instead of "character sheet". Is Diablo III RPG. Diablo serial as a whole never was an RPG. It was all about Dungeon Crawling like Rogue, Gauntlet and all games before it was.

I advise you to go to the Hobby store, get a book called "Dungeons and Dragons", buy couple of those strange dices, get some pens and a lot of blank and graph papers, bring some friends with you along and you will get what i am talking about.

Dungeon crawlers are a subgenre of role playing games. There are pen and paper modules for Dungeon and Dragons that are dungeon crawlers. Gary Gygax often used pregenerated character sheets and pregenerated dungeons when demonstrating AD&D first edition.

 I agree with you partially. According to that point of view Diablo may be an RPG, but Dungeon Crawling as a whole lacks of RP elements like investigating, puzzle-solving, non combat encounters etc, so from PnP RPG point of view, it can be hardly more interesting than full scale-RPG. Yet, dungeon crawling is part of gameplay that RPGs couldnt be what they are without it. That whole thing is a matter of discussion and goes much deeper than the arguments that OP provides for instance.

  However my point is that MMORPG.COM is full of Elitist freaks who plays MMORPGs only for their ego, e-peen or whatever. It came to the point that many of them think that ROLE-PLAYING stands for 'roles' in combat like Tank, Healer etc. and that lack of comprehension is blashpemy towards RPG genre. If they played even a little bit of PnP RPGs, they would know what RP stands for, but i bet they thinks its too much for 'geeks', 'nerds' whatever :P

Be careful everyone, the OP might roll a dice on your ass!

Originally posted by neorandom

Originally posted by fenistil

Diablo and similar games (Torchlight , Path of Exile ,etc) since begginings had their own genre -hack&slash .

So nah Diablo 3 is not an rpg. It is hack & slash. 

 

except you clearly play a role in the game.  monks can set up as tanks/healers/buffs/debuffs or a little of everything.  literally, i see people griping that they dont understand this game they never played, but they saw screenshots from a beta, and feel that entitles them to anonymously bitch on an internet forum.

I played D1 , D2 and Diablo 3 beta.

Even more I played other hack & slash games as well.

I have beta account in PoE and I am playing Witch class mostly.

Thinking about new 'Shadow' class as well.

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Newsflash - In almost ANY game you play a role. 

When you play racing game , you play role of racing driver. 

When you play strategy games you play role of ruler or commander.

When you play games like Alan Wake you play role of detective - yet it is third person shooter + action-adventure game

Alice games series are also action-adventure games even though - you play a role.

Yet they are not rpg games.

Dude. By your defintion 90% of games would be rpg.

I mean Diablo games ALWYAS were hack & slash genre games with some rpg elements.

Why suddenly rush to push it onto other genre?

Originally posted by xeniar

id rather call it a hack and slash.

theres little rpg inside of it

./agree

I bet there's not even ANY /emote incorprorated in Diablo III :p

geh, what a weak attempt to troll. your life must be pretty sad when all you care about is what genre a product falls into or claims to be.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Dungeon crawlers are a subgenre of role playing games. There are pen and paper modules for Dungeon and Dragons that are dungeon crawlers. Gary Gygax often used pregenerated character sheets and pregenerated dungeons when demonstrating AD&D first edition.

Not exactly, dungeon crawlers are usually counted as boardgames. "Descent", Gygax "Chainmail" and "Hero quest" are all boardgame.

Pregenerated characters are used at conventions to save time, and sometimes in special campaigns. Pregenerated dungeons on the other hand is more or less standard, even if the GM himself usually makes the dungeon before the gaming session.

Diablo have always been called an "Action game" or "Action RPG" but it isn´t really a RPG game. Roleplaying games are about you pretending to be someone else while you play.

Super Mario bros is no RPG since you don´t actually pretend you are Mario when you play, you just steer him. Same thing with Diablo.

In Baldurs gate or Everquest on the other hand the game is made so that you can roleplay. Character development is part of the RPG experience of course but not the main focus. Sometimes are it rather hard to say if a game is a RPG or not, but in Diablos case it ain´t a RPG.

I play P&P BTW, have since 1984. :)

Why does it matter if Diablo is a RPGor not BTW?

I wonder how many times ArEf has been reported today :p 

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Dungeon crawlers are a subgenre of role playing games. There are pen and paper modules for Dungeon and Dragons that are dungeon crawlers. Gary Gygax often used pregenerated character sheets and pregenerated dungeons when demonstrating AD&D first edition.

Not exactly, dungeon crawlers are usually counted as boardgames. "Descent", Gygax "Chainmail" and "Hero quest" are all boardgame.

Pregenerated characters are used at conventions to save time, and sometimes in special campaigns. Pregenerated dungeons on the other hand is more or less standard, even if the GM himself usually makes the dungeon before the gaming session.

Diablo have always been called an "Action game" or "Action RPG" but it isn´t really a RPG game. Roleplaying games are about you pretending to be someone else while you play.

Super Mario bros is no RPG since you don´t actually pretend you are Mario when you play, you just steer him. Same thing with Diablo.

In Baldurs gate or Everquest on the other hand the game is made so that you can roleplay. Character development is part of the RPG experience of course but not the main focus. Sometimes are it rather hard to say if a game is a RPG or not, but in Diablos case it ain´t a RPG.

I play P&P BTW, have since 1984. :)

 You're mischaracterizing Diablo. There was far more to the game than any platformer. All of the boardgame elements of heroquest were used in AD&D. They were simply part of a dungeon master's bag of tricks. Role playing covers a very broad spectrum.

I've played role playing games since 1975. That doesn't make me an authority it just makes me feel old :)

For what it's worth, I heard this same argument back when Diablo I launched: "There's no way you can call this game an RPG"; "It's an insult to RPGs to call this game one", etc....

Well, the ARPGs may have little in the way of RP gaming apart from the fact that your character grows in power in time, but  enough time has a tendency to beat any protests to new categorization... And this one just seems to have stuck. :)

So I'd say there's little point in arguing over this now that these games have a whole sub-section of RPG gaming.

Threads like this are what's wrong with pretty much any community, ever.

The op posts, asking a question, that is not in any way intended to be answered. He then proceeds to blatantly bash anyone that disagrees, no matter what they say at all.

This is my question;

If you don't care what anyone has to say about the subject, and you've made up your mind on the matter, why the hell are you posting at all? You think we care about your views any more than you care about ours when you do this?

People like this make me have to take rage breaks from this site.

Also, stop sarcastically proding people, we understand what you're doing, it's not as funny as you think it is, and it serves no purpose.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

 You're mischaracterizing Diablo. There was far more to the game than any platformer. All of the boardgame elements of heroquest were used in AD&D. They were simply part of a dungeon master's bag of tricks. Role playing covers a very broad spectrum.

I've played role playing games since 1975. That doesn't make me an authority it just makes me feel old :)

Actually Comparing Heroquest to D&D and Diablo to Baldurs gate are both rather close.

Diablo have some roleplaying elements, that is true, just as Hero quest have some, or Talisman. Still not enough to make it a RPG game.

But that does not make Diablo less fun than any other game. No one called Diablo 1 or 2 a RPG 10-15 years ago.

And yeah, same here. 

(Edit: I must buy a new keyboard, the #¤% space key works only when it wants to).

Originally posted by ArEf

There's absolutely no development of your character. At all. It's just running around hitting people from an isometric viewpoint. If that's all it takes to be an RPG these days, then Call of Duty is an RPG.

If u thonk Diablo 3 is not a RPG man... u just dont know what RPG games are....