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  scotty899

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5/13/12 5:47:48 AM#21
Originally posted by ArEf
Originally posted by simmihi

Read this.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/3811455085

Come back with decent arguments (even if there's a very low chance not to get banned after all the insults you're posting on most D3 related topics)

"OH YOU BUY GEMS OFF THE AUCTION HOUSE (which is undoubtedly to allow Blizzard to make more $$$) TO MAKE STATS WHICH YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH CHANGE AT WILL."

That's not customisation.

Also, the stat system sucks hairy balls. Torchlight 2 has every character requiring every stat (depending on build). Casters can require dexterity to crit and dodge and also for fumble recovery, whilst dual wielding melee characters require focus (the caster stat) to do executes (hit with both weapons at the same time), dexterity for crit rate and dodge and melee for extra damage. Everyone needs vitality for obvious reasons.

Double up on the stat stuff, too. Torchlight 2's stat system allows you to allocate stats to get gear OR you can wait until the level the gear auto-unlocks for your character at.

happy your are not going to play D3 

 

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  fivoroth

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5/13/12 5:47:48 AM#22
Originally posted by ArEf
Originally posted by 190192

This is so fucking stupid... ofc it is a rpg. The people who tell you otherwise is just butt hurt becouse blizzard change their game. There is no rules that say that a rpg have too be open world. You chose a class, level up, pick talents and grind for gear.

Thanks for agreeing with me!

You don't pick talents in D3.

Originally posted by fivoroth

ArEf, don't you have anything better to do? All you do is hate on Diablo 3. You've already made a gazillion threads trying to bash Diablo 3. All your threads are stupid, deluded and twisted to suit your own argument. You say that Diablo 3 is not an RPG but TL2 and POE are?

And what's with the CoD love? Cause you seem to be trying so hard to put that CoD comparision in every single post you make.

Maybe because Diablo 3 is the Call of Duty of Hack and Slash games?

Diablo defined the hack and slash games. Everything after that was just copy paste sauce. The only games which were OKis were TQ, TL (that's pushing it), and Dungeon Siege. Even those were crap compared to Diablo 2.So I am a bit skeptical that games like TL2 and POE will be any different. They will be just another pile of steaming copy paste. 

The only thing POE has going on about it was that skill map the size of Europe. Did I mention how bad the graphics are? Grim but ugly.

TL2, I haven't played that but from what I've read I am seriously not impressed. TL was crap. They forgot one of the "cornerstones" of hack and slash RPGs - MULTIPLAYER LOL! TL2 will be copy paste of Diablo 2 again with 4 uninspiring characters, cartoony graphics, nonexistant lore and no real dedicated multiplayer (similar to Battlenet). I guess the only thing that TL2 has going on about it is the mod support.

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  expresso

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5/13/12 5:51:19 AM#23
Nothing todo this morning ArEf? I get the feeling you're not in the TL2 beta cus you'd be playing that rather than hating on D3. We all near u, u don't like D3 now please move on you're just making yourself look silly.
  fivoroth

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5/13/12 5:55:25 AM#24
Originally posted by expresso
Nothing todo this morning ArEf? I get the feeling you're not in the TL2 beta cus you'd be playing that rather than hating on D3. We all near u, u don't like D3 now please move on you're just making yourself look silly.

Unfortunately it's not just this moring, he's been on it for 1-2 days now :D

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  neorandom

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5/13/12 6:00:32 AM#25
Originally posted by fenistil

Diablo and similar games (Torchlight , Path of Exile ,etc) since begginings had their own genre -hack&slash .

So nah Diablo 3 is not an rpg. It is hack & slash. 

 

except you clearly play a role in the game.  monks can set up as tanks/healers/buffs/debuffs or a little of everything.  literally, i see people griping that they dont understand this game they never played, but they saw screenshots from a beta, and feel that entitles them to anonymously bitch on an internet forum.

  scotty899

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5/13/12 6:01:05 AM#26
Originally posted by ArEf
Originally posted by fivoroth

Diablo defined the hack and slash games. Everything after that was just copy paste sauce. The only games which were OKis were TQ, TL (that's pushing it), and Dungeon Siege. Even those were crap compared to Diablo 2.So I am a bit skeptical that games like TL2 and POE will be any different. They will be just another pile of steaming copy paste. 

The only thing POE has going on about it was that skill map the size of Europe. Did I mention how bad the graphics are? Grim but ugly.

TL2, I haven't played that but from what I've read I am seriously not impressed. TL was crap. They forgot one of the "cornerstones" of hack and slash RPGs - MULTIPLAYER LOL! TL2 will be copy paste of Diablo 2 again with 4 uninspiring characters, cartoony graphics, nonexistant lore and no real dedicated multiplayer (similar to Battlenet). I guess the only thing that TL2 has going on about it is the mod support.

The graphics in Path of Exile are actually quite nice. The combat is Diablo 2 down to a T, too, so if you think it sucks then D2 sucks.

TL2 has dedicated multiplayer with saved characters on an account but you can also play multiplayer mods. Up to eight players in a game with mobs and bosses scaling to match you as well as individual loot drops.

The character classes are really very interesting and fun to play, as well as completely different to each other.

Maybe read up on or play the game? :D I mean, I know Diablo 3 fanboys are weak reading comprehension, but Christ.

 

how about like both? that is possible right?  or is that not allowed with you?  *shrugs*

 

  neorandom

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5/13/12 6:02:59 AM#27
Originally posted by ArEf
Originally posted by simmihi

Read this.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/3811455085

Come back with decent arguments (even if there's a very low chance not to get banned after all the insults you're posting on most D3 related topics)

"OH YOU BUY GEMS OFF THE AUCTION HOUSE (which is undoubtedly to allow Blizzard to make more $$$) TO MAKE STATS WHICH YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH CHANGE AT WILL."

That's not customisation.

Also, the stat system sucks hairy balls. Torchlight 2 has every character requiring every stat (depending on build). Casters can require dexterity to crit and dodge and also for fumble recovery, whilst dual wielding melee characters require focus (the caster stat) to do executes (hit with both weapons at the same time), dexterity for crit rate and dodge and melee for extra damage. Everyone needs vitality for obvious reasons.

Double up on the stat stuff, too. Torchlight 2's stat system allows you to allocate stats to get gear OR you can wait until the level the gear auto-unlocks for your character at.

you could hack the shit out of torchlight too, i had 999 all stats and unlimited gold, sure they label you cheater and your scores dont get posted but the point is, it was hardly the end all rpg when you could so easily cheat right in game.

  xeniar

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5/13/12 6:09:47 AM#28
Originally posted by neorandom
Originally posted by fenistil

Diablo and similar games (Torchlight , Path of Exile ,etc) since begginings had their own genre -hack&slash .

So nah Diablo 3 is not an rpg. It is hack & slash. 

 

except you clearly play a role in the game.  monks can set up as tanks/healers/buffs/debuffs or a little of everything.  literally, i see people griping that they dont understand this game they never played, but they saw screenshots from a beta, and feel that entitles them to anonymously bitch on an internet forum.

 how does that make it an rpg instead of a hack and slash.?

  ArEf

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Just say RF. :)

 
OP  5/13/12 6:10:16 AM#29
Originally posted by neorandom

you could hack the shit out of torchlight too, i had 999 all stats and unlimited gold, sure they label you cheater and your scores dont get posted but the point is, it was hardly the end all rpg when you could so easily cheat right in game.

Christ, man, did you PLAY D2? Duping and stat hacks galore.

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  neorandom

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5/13/12 6:13:08 AM#30
Originally posted by ArEf
Originally posted by neorandom

you could hack the shit out of torchlight too, i had 999 all stats and unlimited gold, sure they label you cheater and your scores dont get posted but the point is, it was hardly the end all rpg when you could so easily cheat right in game.

Christ, man, did you PLAY D2? Duping and stat hacks galore.

ya i used jizelle or however it was spelled, character editor for offline after a couple years of playing d2 without cheating.

 

d3 wont have any of that, its all online via battle net, so if you try to cheat, whammo, banhammer!

  emperorwings

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5/13/12 6:14:58 AM#31

You are playing out the role of a character therefore it is an rpg.

This isn't a signature, you just think it is.

  coretex666

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5/13/12 6:15:41 AM#32

Guys, do not even take him seriously. If you search the forum, you find out he has been making negative threads against Diablo III for some time now. These threads are based on subjective feelings rather than statements.

Diablo III lacks customization? Just check the link that Simmihi posted, then come back and apologize.

Also I believe that rest of the community would appreciate if you stop being so vulgar in your posts. I understand that it is probably the language that people of your age use, but that does not mean that people will accept it here.

I personally hope that some forum admin gives you a warning or something

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  ArEf

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Just say RF. :)

 
OP  5/13/12 6:18:34 AM#33
Originally posted by neorandom
Originally posted by ArEf
Originally posted by neorandom

you could hack the shit out of torchlight too, i had 999 all stats and unlimited gold, sure they label you cheater and your scores dont get posted but the point is, it was hardly the end all rpg when you could so easily cheat right in game.

Christ, man, did you PLAY D2? Duping and stat hacks galore.

ya i used jizelle or however it was spelled, character editor for offline after a couple years of playing d2 without cheating.

d3 wont have any of that, its all online via battle net, so if you try to cheat, whammo, banhammer!

Rofl. Man, I've managed to hack Starcraft 2 using a simple hex editor. Trust me, battle.net makes nothing infallible.

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  scotty899

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5/13/12 6:20:16 AM#34
Originally posted by xeniar
Originally posted by neorandom
Originally posted by fenistil

Diablo and similar games (Torchlight , Path of Exile ,etc) since begginings had their own genre -hack&slash .

So nah Diablo 3 is not an rpg. It is hack & slash. 

 

except you clearly play a role in the game.  monks can set up as tanks/healers/buffs/debuffs or a little of everything.  literally, i see people griping that they dont understand this game they never played, but they saw screenshots from a beta, and feel that entitles them to anonymously bitch on an internet forum.

 how does that make it an rpg instead of a hack and slash.?

you the player are given the role as a hero to destroy bad guys and journey through and evil land gaining experience from battles and discovering new abilities to help you along the way. happy now? RPG's dont need to be like an mmo to be RPG's lol. shit look at dragon quest, you hack and slash in turn base combat and it is an RPG hahahaha. stop with the silly arguements that will result wtih nothing but trolling. AHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

  neorandom

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5/13/12 6:23:39 AM#35
Originally posted by ArEf
Originally posted by neorandom
Originally posted by ArEf
Originally posted by neorandom

you could hack the shit out of torchlight too, i had 999 all stats and unlimited gold, sure they label you cheater and your scores dont get posted but the point is, it was hardly the end all rpg when you could so easily cheat right in game.

Christ, man, did you PLAY D2? Duping and stat hacks galore.

ya i used jizelle or however it was spelled, character editor for offline after a couple years of playing d2 without cheating.

d3 wont have any of that, its all online via battle net, so if you try to cheat, whammo, banhammer!

Rofl. Man, I've managed to hack Starcraft 2 using a simple hex editor. Trust me, battle.net makes nothing infallible.

except sc2 offline play isnt in a battle net multiplayer room.  also if you cheat in multiplayer, it will be logged on battlenet and they will ban your ass.

  bronecar

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5/13/12 6:23:54 AM#36

I for one am glad they've given up the point allocation system.

 

Building up the right character was a chore in D2.

 

There is no more right or wrong anymore, it's just viable :)

  scotty899

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5/13/12 6:30:32 AM#37
Originally posted by ArEf
Originally posted by scotty899
Originally posted by xeniar
Originally posted by neorandom
Originally posted by fenistil

Diablo and similar games (Torchlight , Path of Exile ,etc) since begginings had their own genre -hack&slash .

So nah Diablo 3 is not an rpg. It is hack & slash. 

 

except you clearly play a role in the game.  monks can set up as tanks/healers/buffs/debuffs or a little of everything.  literally, i see people griping that they dont understand this game they never played, but they saw screenshots from a beta, and feel that entitles them to anonymously bitch on an internet forum.

 how does that make it an rpg instead of a hack and slash.?

you the player are given the role as a hero to destroy bad guys and journey through and evil land gaining experience from battles and discovering new abilities to help you along the way. happy now? RPG's dont need to be like an mmo to be RPG's lol. shit look at dragon quest, you hack and slash in turn base combat and it is an RPG hahahaha. stop with the silly arguements that will result wtih nothing but trolling. AHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

How old are you, 12?

DragonQuest is a JRPG. There's a massive difference.

 

Hurrrrr you called me 12. this sums up your posts over the last couple of days  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7rw8zvNv3Y. the 'J' in JRPG just means its japanese. doesnt mean it is not an RPG lol. 

and thanks for comming to a conclusion of RPG's; some have massive differences and others do not. TL2 is different to D3.

im sure ppl will find either fun :D 

  zymurgeist

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5/13/12 6:40:21 AM#38
Originally posted by ArEf

There's absolutely no development of your character. At all. It's just running around hitting people from an isometric viewpoint. If that's all it takes to be an RPG these days, then Call of Duty is an RPG.

 Yes there is character development.

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  dzoni87

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5/13/12 6:43:06 AM#39

 



Originally posted by neorandom


Originally posted by fenistil

Diablo and similar games (Torchlight , Path of Exile ,etc) since begginings had their own genre -hack&slash .
So nah Diablo 3 is not an rpg. It is hack & slash. 
 


except you clearly play a role in the game.  monks can set up as tanks/healers/buffs/debuffs or a little of everything.  literally, i see people griping that they dont understand this game they never played, but they saw screenshots from a beta, and feel that entitles them to anonymously bitch on an internet forum.


  I am not  hating on Diablo III and anything (not even planning on playing so i will stay neutral on this one) but i get pretty frustrated when i see people that dont know what RP in RPG means.
Quote from Wikipedia:

 

 


A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting, or through a process of structured decision-making or character development. Actions taken within many games succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines

 
  RP stands for Roleplaying. It forms it roots back in early 70's in early days of DnD pen and paper game. You TAKE A ROLE on the character that you create on paper or 'Character Sheet'. Similar to what you do it when you play an acting role in theater on at the movie set.

 

  Only difference is that at PC RPGs you have Character Creation Window instead of "character sheet". Is Diablo III RPG. Diablo serial as a whole never was an RPG. It was all about Dungeon Crawling like Rogue, Gauntlet and all games before it was.

I advise you to go to the Hobby store, get a book called "Dungeons and Dragons", buy couple of those strange dices, get some pens and a lot of blank and graph papers, bring some friends with you along and you will get what i am talking about.

EDIT: forgot about those plastic miniatures, but you can use an those plastic soldiers figurines for kids or coin tokens or whatever you desire to represent your characters on battle grid

Main MMO at the moment: Guild Wars 2
Waiting for: Pathfinder Online

  scotty899

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5/13/12 6:43:20 AM#40

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but they are still a Role Playing Game. it is not hard to understand. you kill stuff, you gain xp, you lvl up and you get stronger whilst on adventure. go from icewind dale to an old star ocean game - both RPG's. take a deep breath. it is ok

i know you are at the point where no matter what anyone says they are wrong. it is everywhere on your posts. be tangible it will help with decision making in life.

 

 

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