From what it appears D3 and TL2 have both bit more childish approach,cartoonish graficks,characters are are uber destroying machines killign easilly everything in their way.  POE though seems to be more dark,dreadfull and mature in its approach with great emphasis and variety on character development which i value above all. Thus i voted for POE.

Originally posted by Delerious1

D3.  No contest.

Both PoE and T2 will be worth playing, but they aren't in the same league as D3.

Agreed.

Originally posted by tazarconan

From what it appears D3 and TL2 have both bit more childish approach,cartoonish graficks,characters are are uber destroying machines killign easilly everything in their way.  POE though seems to be more dark,dreadfull and mature in its approach with great emphasis and variety on character development which i value above all. Thus i voted for POE.

These are the comments that cause problems. There is nothing childish about any of the games, they just have 3 different art styles.

In diablo 3 there is nothing childish about blooding running out of a decapitated torso nailed to a wall. The details in the game far exceed the other too.

TL2 runs a more casual approach to accept a wider range of audiences, it isn't childish but it isn't gore either. It is just simple fun.

PoE.. the world is pretty good to look at visually, the lighting needs work but its decent. The character and NPC models in general are pretty lackluster and I see nothing impressive in the least.

The whole blatant bias is ridiculous, it is the same vague defense too. D3 is childish and PoE is dark. Rarely an example or explaination.

TEAM JACOB!

I went for PoE mainly due to the fact that I like the skill system over TL2 and D3 and prefer the aethetics as well. Also it's nice that when you provide feedback on the game the devs actually respond in a friendly manner and take your feedback on board, GL doing that with anyone in Blizzard.

Also the major reason for me not even buying d3 is that pretty much whatever I think I may have achieved with D3 it will all pretty much be negated by the fact some guy can just buy whatever he wants and then be in the same boat as me. It's a gear based game at the end of the day for the most part and while skill might be involved in PvP gear still makes a hell of a difference.. oh wait.. no PvP and launch??.. yeah ok..

Thanks Blizzard for taking away our sense of achievement. No, really.. it's ok! We didn't want to feel rewarded anyway! Honest!

Total scumbags, couldn't even come up with a decent way of preventing RMT without also destroying everyones sense of achievement in the process. Lazy, lazy design. I cannot and will not reward such lazyness from game devs.

Originally posted by Zezda

I went for PoE mainly due to the fact that I like the skill system over TL2 and D3 and prefer the aethetics as well. Also it's nice that when you provide feedback on the game the devs actually respond in a friendly manner and take your feedback on board, GL doing that with anyone in Blizzard.

 

Also the major reason for me not even buying d3 is that pretty much whatever I think I may have achieved with D3 it will all pretty much be negated by the fact some guy can just buy whatever he wants and then be in the same boat as me. It's a gear based game at the end of the day for the most part and while skill might be involved in PvP gear still makes a hell of a difference.. oh wait.. no PvP and launch??.. yeah ok..

 

Thanks Blizzard for taking away our sense of achievement. No, really.. it's ok! We didn't want to feel rewarded anyway! Honest!

 

Total scumbags, couldn't even come up with a decent way of preventing RMT without also destroying everyones sense of achievement in the process. Lazy, lazy design. I cannot and will not reward such lazyness from game devs.

Ok you have hundreds of thousands of people who post on blizzard forums, you expect the devs to really respond to everything? Though there is plenty of blue responses and sometimes they collect a lot of questions and answer them all at once. The forums are read and responded to in some form or another.

As for the whole PoE crew being friendly.. I asked why they copied the whole intro from other games on their boards some time ago. Post deleted and account banned. No warning no message, click click boom.

Bash away friend, if the PoE is so great go play the beta.. instead of floating on the forums.

Repetitious clicking is not for me.

Playing both D3 nd TL2.

I have to say Torchlight 2's Matt Uelmen appeals me quite much... I'm eager to listen to his new stuff.

PoE also has its charms - the skill tree in there is quite gigantiquely unique.

Titles worth watching.

But heh, D3 in 2 days ;)

LINEAGE ETERNAL !!!

check it out videos look really cool

trolling for Lineage Eternal

Originally posted by Aori

Originally posted by Zezda

I went for PoE mainly due to the fact that I like the skill system over TL2 and D3 and prefer the aethetics as well. Also it's nice that when you provide feedback on the game the devs actually respond in a friendly manner and take your feedback on board, GL doing that with anyone in Blizzard.

 

Also the major reason for me not even buying d3 is that pretty much whatever I think I may have achieved with D3 it will all pretty much be negated by the fact some guy can just buy whatever he wants and then be in the same boat as me. It's a gear based game at the end of the day for the most part and while skill might be involved in PvP gear still makes a hell of a difference.. oh wait.. no PvP and launch??.. yeah ok..

 

Thanks Blizzard for taking away our sense of achievement. No, really.. it's ok! We didn't want to feel rewarded anyway! Honest!

 

Total scumbags, couldn't even come up with a decent way of preventing RMT without also destroying everyones sense of achievement in the process. Lazy, lazy design. I cannot and will not reward such lazyness from game devs.

Ok you have hundreds of thousands of people who post on blizzard forums, you expect the devs to really respond to everything? Though there is plenty of blue responses and sometimes they collect a lot of questions and answer them all at once. The forums are read and responded to in some form or another.

As for the whole PoE crew being friendly.. I asked why they copied the whole intro from other games on their boards some time ago. Post deleted and account banned. No warning no message, click click boom.

Bash away friend, if the PoE is so great go play the beta.. instead of floating on the forums.

 

The GW2 devs didn't have any problems responding to people on their official forums during and after the BWE and they had several hundred thousand people playing over the weekend.

Still, if you want to see the feedback people give and the fact that the devs on PoE act on it then all you need to do is jump onto the forum and see for yourself.

Actually the last patch notes demonstrate that perfectly. The most asked question last public weekend was 'How do I level my gems?' and this public weekend they added a new UI element that made it more obvious when gems were about to level and by doing so also eliminated the need to search around for a tiny button to actually level it when it was done.

What about the company giving those the opportunity to contribute in a massive way? Yes they leverage it by you having to pay for the privilage but then again you don't want every Tom, Dick and Harry doing it. (They let Diamond Supporters have a unique item created after their own design and they will work with that person to implement the items mechanics/stats in the way the person wants. They are also signing and sending out merchandise to the bigger supporters and also adding their names into the game credits even.)

Now these things in themselves are not totally crazy unheard of and make the game an instant classic but it does indicate a certain willingness on the devs part to work with the community in building a game that everyone enjoys but still fits in with the vision the devs started with. You simply aren't going to get that kind of interaction with a company like Blizzard.

It's not bashing when you are stating the facts. People need to pull their heads out of their backsides and discover the fact that not everyone is either a hater or fanboy. Some games suit some people more than others, deal with it. I don't like the fact that I think D3 has been implemented in a lazy manner. You can't seriously expect me to believe that after years of development the best thing they could come up with to battle RMT and enhance the player experience was the current system they have planned and that's only scratching the surface of issues I have with the game overall given the previous titles and massive investment that went into D3.

PS - I'm playing PoE right now, thanks. It's even better since the new patch bumped the difficulty up a fair bit as well! A lot more challenging than I found D3 and I personally enjoy the greater challenge as it requires more thoughtfull input on my part.

Diablo 3 for first few months and then maybe torchlight 2 cause i loved torchlight 1!

I'm sure I'll play all three eventually.  Definitely D3 first, then TL2 and finally POE(which I'm trying in their stress test).

Originally posted by Zezda

I went for PoE mainly due to the fact that I like the skill system over TL2 and D3 and prefer the aethetics as well. Also it's nice that when you provide feedback on the game the devs actually respond in a friendly manner and take your feedback on board, GL doing that with anyone in Blizzard.

 

Also the major reason for me not even buying d3 is that pretty much whatever I think I may have achieved with D3 it will all pretty much be negated by the fact some guy can just buy whatever he wants and then be in the same boat as me. It's a gear based game at the end of the day for the most part and while skill might be involved in PvP gear still makes a hell of a difference.. oh wait.. no PvP and launch??.. yeah ok..

 

Thanks Blizzard for taking away our sense of achievement. No, really.. it's ok! We didn't want to feel rewarded anyway! Honest!

 

Total scumbags, couldn't even come up with a decent way of preventing RMT without also destroying everyones sense of achievement in the process. Lazy, lazy design. I cannot and will not reward such lazyness from game devs.

Originally posted by lunarwitch00

Originally posted by Zezda

I went for PoE mainly due to the fact that I like the skill system over TL2 and D3 and prefer the aethetics as well. Also it's nice that when you provide feedback on the game the devs actually respond in a friendly manner and take your feedback on board, GL doing that with anyone in Blizzard.

 

Also the major reason for me not even buying d3 is that pretty much whatever I think I may have achieved with D3 it will all pretty much be negated by the fact some guy can just buy whatever he wants and then be in the same boat as me. It's a gear based game at the end of the day for the most part and while skill might be involved in PvP gear still makes a hell of a difference.. oh wait.. no PvP and launch??.. yeah ok..

 

Thanks Blizzard for taking away our sense of achievement. No, really.. it's ok! We didn't want to feel rewarded anyway! Honest!

 

Total scumbags, couldn't even come up with a decent way of preventing RMT without also destroying everyones sense of achievement in the process. Lazy, lazy design. I cannot and will not reward such lazyness from game devs.

 

um yea ok so rmt whats runic doing about it? people buy wow accounts. people buy d2 items. selling third party websites. so instead of just taking direct control like d3. if tl2 get as much love as people seems to think people will still sell items just not in game third party woop. ohh wait the game is really nothing like d2 . d2 had such a following people actually ebayed items d3 everyone is hating on it just wait and see what happens. blizzard has been having some bombing issues since the activizzard. and so far with all the complain everything seems better in d3 compared to d2 only thing missing is pvp and duels i do with the player limit wasnt 4 people though skills lmao so you got 700 skills and three real builds that work ala PoE or d2 although d2 didnt have that many skills builds are all very similar if not then you significantly weaker than someone who built there character around synergies. although i actually believe they had more then enough time to prepare. find out in a few days i guess. ohh and torchlight looks like wow fun fun right? at the moment d3 art > torchlight art, least from my perspective both gotta some colors though PoE is way way similar to d2 could be good or very bad not saying it isnt fun though.

Paragraphs.. Please use them. :(

I didn't mention TL2 much, yeah? I wanna play it a bit more before cementing my opinion on it but from the short play I've had at the moment PoE is still my preffered choice.

RMT was a huge issue with D2 and yes people bought shitloads of stuff on it and this did indeed take away some of the sense of achievement when you put effort in to doing meph runs or whatever and found something nice. This is also funnily enough the exact same reason why I'm so shocked that with such a reportedly good dev team (everyone seems to think blizzard shits gold bricks and couldn't make anything a steaming pile of crap even if they tried) and crazy financial backing the best they can come up with is to take the RMT in house which is funnily enough probably the first suggestions everyone would have made but seeing as it doesn't actually tackle the issue of why RMT detracts from the overall game experience it's nothing short of a complete cop-out of actually having to come up with something more involved and clever.

Also, for builds in PoE. I've seen everything from Cleave Witches with a 2h weapons to people shoving just about any weapon you can think of on any character. The thing about the PoE skill tree is that is it *hugely* flexible and works not because it nails certain classes into certain roles but because it does the opposite by simply changing the starting positions rather than locking away skills. ;)

It seems overly complex at an initial glance but when you have a look at the theme and consistency in the skill nodes in each area of the tree you see they match with what you would expect given that INT is north, Dex is South East and STR is South West and what sorts of skills each stat is likely to represent and synergize with. Each class can go where they like in that tree and generally even if you start on the opposite side you can reach whatever you want with relatively minimal 'wasted' points, hence the cleave based Witch. Now that doesn't mean the choices are pointless but it does mean there is  a lot of room to perfect your characters chosen skill set and to achieve that in different ways.

The icing on the cake for PoE is that the passive tree in itself is only a tiny part of the overall skill mechanics and gameplay seeing as your base skills themselves come from the socketed items which work like the Materia system in FFVII. The game lets you blend both aspects together in almost any combination you like and while there are a lot of fail builds there are just as many that once you see you are like 'omfg why didnt i think of that, wtf??'

formatting text because the forum didnt do it so first comment is paragraphs sad this isnt about comprehension or english or writing class.

ohh and looks a like a single paragraph to me

just not exactly proper

i guess where you write its the standard three sentences per paragraph. < this is joke if you cannot tell so please please lets not argue for the sake of arguing

im not trying to write a freaking essay here anyways

d3 and torchlight 2 will both sell and im sure PoE will probally do ok also

just time will tell on how they maintain the games

i do find it funny seems like d3 is being compared to every action rpg similar to wow being compared to every mmo

so blizzard must be still doing something right. right?

peace hope the games turn out well because the past games have left a pretty bleak look on the current trend of gaming industry

DIII, no contest. I can consider TL2, but the graphics style will prevent me from taking it seriously. And PoE is just, IMO, terrible, specifically because of their skill system.

Originally posted by Zezda

I went for PoE mainly due to the fact that I like the skill system over TL2 and D3 and prefer the aethetics as well. Also it's nice that when you provide feedback on the game the devs actually respond in a friendly manner and take your feedback on board, GL doing that with anyone in Blizzard.

 

Also the major reason for me not even buying d3 is that pretty much whatever I think I may have achieved with D3 it will all pretty much be negated by the fact some guy can just buy whatever he wants and then be in the same boat as me. It's a gear based game at the end of the day for the most part and while skill might be involved in PvP gear still makes a hell of a difference.. oh wait.. no PvP and launch??.. yeah ok..

 

Thanks Blizzard for taking away our sense of achievement. No, really.. it's ok! We didn't want to feel rewarded anyway! Honest!

 

Total scumbags, couldn't even come up with a decent way of preventing RMT without also destroying everyones sense of achievement in the process. Lazy, lazy design. I cannot and will not reward such lazyness from game devs.

Not to mention there is no clan system at launch.. That is definitely what I would call lazy programming.

D3 for me, simple because of high production value and loving the D series... I will also get Torchlight 2, just can't beat $20 price tag...  

If PoE comes to console maybe then i'll play it, but otherwise my time will be split between D3, Tera and WoW....

Originally posted by lunarwitch00

formatting text because the forum didnt do it so first comment is paragraphs sad this isnt about comprehension or english or writing class.

ohh and looks a like a single paragraph to me

just not exactly proper

 

i guess where you write its the standard three sentences per paragraph. < this is joke if you cannot tell so please please lets not argue for the sake of arguing

im not trying to write a freaking essay here anyways

d3 and torchlight 2 will both sell and im sure PoE will probally do ok also

just time will tell on how they maintain the games

 

i do find it funny seems like d3 is being compared to every action rpg similar to wow being compared to every mmo

so blizzard must be still doing something right. right?

 

peace hope the games turn out well because the past games have left a pretty bleak look on the current trend of gaming industry

I dunno if comparing something to other things automatically gives it some sort of merit badge which means it's better than what it actually is.. it's just.. comparing.

Whatever one(s) you go with I hope you have an awesome time at least, same for everyone else. At the end of the day we all have our reasons. I like to hope that every now and then a few people will read threads like these and pick out a post or two that help them understand certain aspects of a game that then enables them to make a better informed choice. That's why when people talk about a game they don't really do anyone any favours unless they try back up their opinion with some decent objective reasoning. I can argue back and forth all day about why some things in D3 will be better than PoE or why PoE does this or that better but im not going to include TL much at this point cause I wanna play it a bit more so I can be more objective in what I say.