Evolutionary:  Of or relating to or produced by a process in which something passes by degrees to a different stage

Pardigm Shift:  a change in the basic assumptions within the ruling theory of science. (i.e. flat earth shifting to spherical earth, geocentric orbit changed to heliocentric orbit) This idea has also come to be used colloquially to mean changes that once implemented, do not allow for backtracking, since the new way of doing things is so much better that no one would want to do things the old way again.  Think about having a camera, phone, and music player as one device compared to carrying around a camera, a phone, and a walkman separately...you could do this, but why would you?

First we have to agree on the supposition that an MMO will always be an MMO.  That means the game exists within a given environment, with an overarching story, and that large numbers of people in the game play in such a way as to discover the overarching story through participation.

All the GW2 development team did was ask, 'Why are people unhappy in these games?” and 'Is it possible to remove many of these issues, while providing a fun experience for all the various types of players in these types of games?'  Thus GW1 was born.  By using a model of highly instanced play areas and separated PvP, we, as players, saw a nice community being built around the lack of what many consider the reasons to play an MMORPG. As this experiment grew, Arenanet started looking at making a true MMORPG, with the same lack of toxic issues.

The genius of this group of designers was a creation of a MMORPG game system WITH a planned goal of removing toxic play.  Their realization, definition, and removal of what is toxic in current MMORPG's, while still creating a fun and challenging environment to play in for the vast MAJORITY of MMO players is Arenanet's revolutionary change.

TL;DR Arenanet's revolutionary idea was to remove toxic gameplay from the MMORPG gamespace, utilizing ideas from many games including other MMORPG's, with the expectation of bringing out a game that is more fun, healthier, and more profitable than other games in the genre.

I have pre-purchased and enjoy GW2, but I for some reason fear the "toxic gameplay" they removed may have been what gave MMORPGs their staying power. I hope it works out, but am still skeptical.

No. 

Your spot on, good write up.

It reminds me of what I'm seeing around me in regards to the recession, new ideas and different ways of looking at the problem, are finnally comming out. Many of those ideas are very Un-Orthodox, but they had no choice, the economy is dying.

Same thing with the MMO market, it was dying slowly but surely. Eventually someone was going to look at the problem with a fresh perspective, it happend to be Anet, and they did a great job.

I don't attempt to answer these question until I have been playing the game for 1-2 months.

I couldn't get past your "definitions".  DIdn't anybody ever tell you that you can't use the word in the definition of the word?

I said much the same thing here before, but it got entirely ignored - so I'll try to make sure it doesn't happen to you, too.

My thought on the matter was that yes, on one hand this kind of thinking is revolutionary (for the MMO industry at least), but I still don't understand why it took so long for developers to finally adopt an attitude of "MMO's should be fun, too!"

GW2 might be revolutionary, but it shouldn't be.

IMO GW2 is just over-reted and over-hyped. I bought pre-order, played beta and I didn't like it. It doesn't matter if it is revolutionary or not. At the end of the day is about whether ppl will play it or not. I know I don't like it and I regret spending 60 dollars or so on GW2. 

Originally posted by slicknslim88

I couldn't get past your "definitions".  DIdn't anybody ever tell you that you can't use the word in the definition of the word?

those weren't his definitions, those were dictionary definitions. And yes, the root word can most definitely be part of the definition of a conjugated word... unless you were referring to paradigm insead of evolution, in which case it was present for the purpose of defining a paradigm within the larger definition of "paradigm shift"...

Either way, get over yourself.

Originally posted by slicknslim88

I couldn't get past your "definitions".  DIdn't anybody ever tell you that you can't use the word in the definition of the word?

Not sure where your'e coming from there...please be specific...i'll address the definition in question and repair if possible...

Originally posted by mWo4life

IMO GW2 is just over-reted and over-hyped. I bought pre-order, played beta and I didn't like it. It doesn't matter if it is revolutionary or not. At the end of the day is about whether ppl will play it or not. I know I don't like it and I regret spending 60 dollars or so on GW2. 

When people say these types of things, I question the validity of your statements.  If you are going to go out of you way and off-topic to saying "I didn't like it", at least give some justification in your post.  Make your post matter, saying "I don't like it" doesn't give anything to discuss.  I'm not sure why you posted on the Guild Wars 2 forums, went into a thread debating the application of revolutionary and other terms to GW2, and then proceeded to make a post that was off-topic and simple minded.  If you are going to say something, at least try to appear intelligent.

Originally posted by Roybe

Originally posted by slicknslim88

I couldn't get past your "definitions".  DIdn't anybody ever tell you that you can't use the word in the definition of the word?

Not sure where your'e coming from there...please be specific...i'll address the definition in question and repair if possible...

 

Evolutionary:  Of or relating to or produced by evolution

Pardigm Shift:  a change in the basic assumptions, or paradigms...

I think's he referencing how you use evolution in the definition of evolutionary and pardigm in Pradigm shift. Just replace evolution with adaptation and remove paradigm and leave basic assumption.  Your definitions however, did not make your post unreadable.  I found myself agreeing with most of your statements.  I think GW2 was a logical evolution from GW1 and for the MMO genre.  I'm putting my money on Guild Wars 2, but I would agree that we just don't know whether the game will be successful or not at this point, and all ideas on the matter are mere speculation.

Originally posted by Finit

Originally posted by mWo4life

IMO GW2 is just over-reted and over-hyped. I bought pre-order, played beta and I didn't like it. It doesn't matter if it is revolutionary or not. At the end of the day is about whether ppl will play it or not. I know I don't like it and I regret spending 60 dollars or so on GW2. 

When people say these types of things, I question the validity of your statements.  If you are going to go out of you way and off-topic to saying "I didn't like it", at least give some justification in your post.  Make your post matter, saying "I don't like it" doesn't give anything to discuss.  I'm not sure why you posted on the Guild Wars 2 forums, went into a thread debating the application of revolutionary and other terms to GW2, and then proceeded to make a post that was off-topic and simple minded.  If you are going to say something, at least try to appear intelligent.

Look closely at the poster. 

- Low post count

- Posted only positive Tera posts

- Posted two almost identical anti-GW2 posts (the one you quoted, and the post yesterday in the Tera forum)

I think you can draw your own conclusions from there...

Originally posted by Finit

Originally posted by Roybe

Originally posted by slicknslim88

I couldn't get past your "definitions".  DIdn't anybody ever tell you that you can't use the word in the definition of the word?

Not sure where your'e coming from there...please be specific...i'll address the definition in question and repair if possible...

 

 

Evolutionary:  Of or relating to or produced by evolution

Revolutionary:  Markedly new or introducing fundamental change

 

Pardigm Shift:  a change in the basic assumptions, or paradigms...

 

I think's he referencing how you use evolution in the definition of evolutionary and pardigm in Pradigm shift. Just replace evolution with adaptation and remove paradigm and leave basic assumption.  Your definitions however, did not make your post unreadable.  I found myself agreeing with most of your statements.  I think GW2 was a logical evolution from GW1 and for the MMO genre.  I'm putting my money on Guild Wars 2, but I would agree that we just don't know whether the game will be successful or not at this point, and all ideas on the matter are mere speculation.

Repaired...not sure for the better..but hey, I'm looking for definitions we can agree on...otherwise the thread means nothing.

You seem to be leaving out the largest part of what a paradigm shift is or does. It is not used for entertainment to describe the next big thing. It is a scientific term applied generally to advances in physical science, medicine, technology etc etc that profoundly and forever change and alter society.

Paradigm Shift
Read it.

See examples cited? These are no on the same level as a video game.

Also notice the section:

Marketing:
In the later part of the 1990s, 'paradigm shift' emerged as a buzzword, popularized as marketing speak and appearing more frequently in print and publication.[8] In his book, Mind The Gaffe, author Larry Trask advises readers to refrain from using it, and to use caution when reading anything that contains the phrase. It is referred to in several articles and books[9][10] as abused and overused to the point of becoming meaningless.

    Well, consider it's changing the way MMOs play so much that I simply can't go back to playing the archaic MMO formula anymore. No more static worlds and stationary quest givers, no more trinity locking you into a role, no more fighting against other players in PvE instead of with them. No more boring ass combat or dead, uninteresting cities. No more being forced to slow travel back to a town to unload my storage, or even having to travel at all if I don't want to just yet! No more involuntary PvP screwing up the PvE world.

    So yeah... it's going to prove to be genre changing. It's inevitable. Worlds are going to come alive. People will be free to explore off the rails. Instead of you seeking content, the content will find you. PvP will be truly competitive or be grandoise in scale. You'll start to look forwards to other players showing up in your area. You might even show them where the ore node you just mined is, just to help them out.

    Yeah, it's that good.

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

You seem to be leaving out the largest part of what a paradigm shift is or does. It is not used for entertainment to describe the next big thing. It is a scientific term applied generally to advances in physical science, medicine, technology etc etc that profoundly and forever change and alter society.

Paradigm Shift
Read it.

See examples cited? These are no on the same level as a video game.

Also notice the section:

Marketing:
In the later part of the 1990s, 'paradigm shift' emerged as a buzzword, popularized as marketing speak and appearing more frequently in print and publication.[8] In his book, Mind The Gaffe, author Larry Trask advises readers to refrain from using it, and to use caution when reading anything that contains the phrase. It is referred to in several articles and books[9][10] as abused and overused to the point of becoming meaningless.

 

I do believe I explained the difference between the proper use and the colloquial use.  One author's opinion does not change usage.

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Originally posted by Roybe

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Originally posted by GeezerGamer
You seem to be leaving out the largest part of what a paradigm shift is or does. It is not used for entertainment to describe the next big thing. It is a scientific term applied generally to advances in physical science, medicine, technology etc etc that profoundly and forever change and alter society.
Paradigm Shift
Read it.
See examples cited? These are no on the same level as a video game.
Also notice the section:
Marketing:
In the later part of the 1990s, 'paradigm shift' emerged as a buzzword, popularized as marketing speak and appearing more frequently in print and publication.[8] In his book, Mind The Gaffe, author Larry Trask advises readers to refrain from using it, and to use caution when reading anything that contains the phrase. It is referred to in several articles and books[9][10] as abused and overused to the point of becoming meaningless.
 

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I do believe I explained the difference between the proper use and the colloquial use.  One author's opinion does not vocabulary change.

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Colloquialism is a term used to describe slang or jargon. Not for the minimizing or demeaning of a term.

Originally posted by mWo4life

IMO GW2 is just over-reted and over-hyped. I bought pre-order, played beta and I didn't like it. It doesn't matter if it is revolutionary or not. At the end of the day is about whether ppl will play it or not. I know I don't like it and I regret spending 60 dollars or so on GW2. 

for some reason i dont believe in many guys that say they pre-order (i suppose they mean pre-purchase but for some reason many say pre-order!!) really buy the  game. 

you could prove that easy. you have acess to official forum right?

Originally posted by RebelScum99

No.