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  Fadedbomb

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OP  5/10/12 5:16:46 AM#1

From all of the negative press I've been reading over the past week or so of TESO countless times I've come across articles that simply miss the point entirely as to why TESO is a bad investment (or idea) overall as an MMO.

 

Look, the reason TESO is horrible isn't because "The Elder Scrolls" series wouldn't work well as an MMO. Quite frankly, the opposite is true from myself, and my friend's, perspective. However, the TRUE problem with TESO is that they've taken the TES franchise and gone in an ENTIRELY different direction from what TheElderScrolls series has always been about.

 

Some examples:

-TESO is similar to TheElderScrolls series is as Blizzard making World of Warcraft 2 would be similar to StarWars: Galaxies 

-TESO is to TheElderScrolls series as Call of Duty is to the BattleField series, and vice versa.

 

Quite frankly, they've taken a relatively well known franchise and completely changed the "Target Mindset" for the entire series simply to get a larger profit margin. It's a poor strategy, and numerous studios are near-bust for similar moves. It's a bad investment overall, and unless the developers make a DRASTIC change to TESO (short of scrapping it entirely) they're in for a horrible surprise come release around 2014-2015 (should 2012 not be our last year =P).

 

 

So PLEASE, stop getting it wrong as to why there's SO MUCH negativity around The Elder Scrolls: Online. It is most certainly NOT because TES doesn't fit into an MMO environment. It is because the design decisions around the game, and it's playstyle, are COMPLETELY off-base with its fans. 

 

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  Ramanadjinn

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5/10/12 5:19:45 AM#2

would like to have seen a link to an article or video or something that "got it wrong"

  Yamota

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5/10/12 5:23:00 AM#3

I agree with the OP. The idea that you cannot make an open ended MMORPG similar to Skyrim is nonsense. Ultima Online was that kind of game so was Asheron's Call and SWG. So it is possible but it then it would not be catering to the WoW/ThemePark crowd, which is why it probably is not being made that away.

  SEANMCAD

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5/10/12 9:52:54 AM#4

agreed:

One of the articles suggested that TES fans perfer single player. They miss the point. Its not that we perfer single player. Its that this specific single player game has features we like.(this as in Morrowind, Skyrim etc).

this line of thinking will eventually lead to 'gamers dont like MMO's' because nobody plays them anymore. Its not that people dont like MMOs its that we dont like the cr*p they are creating for MMOs.

Correlation does not imply causation

  Jakdstripper

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5/10/12 10:14:20 AM#5

definately agree.

 

a true TES mmo that exactly played like the TES games would simply be I N C R E D I B L E.

 

even if they had to cap servers at like 500 people max, a ton of people would play such a game. insted Zenimax would rather copy 99% of all other mmos and just use the TES name to milk just one more boring, generic, repetitive, tired WoW clone.  they can shove it where the sun don't shine, as far as i'm concerned.

  Creslin321

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5/10/12 1:20:17 PM#6

The Ultima series featured non-linear gameplay, "reagent" based magic, and a high degree of world interactivity.

Ultima online feature non-linear gameplay, "reagent" based magic, and a high devree of world interactivity.

The Final Fantasy series featured unique "class" systems that often allowed the player to switch and customize roles, more traditional leveling systems, and several iconic monsters, spells, and classes.

FFXI (online) featured a unique class system that allows players to switch and customize roles, a traditional leveling system, and several iconic monsters, spells, and classes.

The Elder Scrolls series features non-linear gameplay, a skill system, "action RPG" combat, a high degree of world interactivity, and a very iconic graphical style.

ESO features a class system, traditional tab-target action-bar combat, a low degree of world interactivity, a graphical style resembling WoW, and 3 faction PvP.

 

WTF

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  ShakyMo

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5/10/12 2:01:53 PM#7
Senior uo people are working on this game

If it was exactly like skyrim but a mmo, who would buy tes6
  Kelthius

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5/10/12 2:05:21 PM#8
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Senior uo people are working on this game

If it was exactly like skyrim but a mmo, who would buy tes6

It doesn't matter who is working on the game. From the info we have, there is nothing that relates TESO and UO other than it being a fantasy game. If it was a Skyrim MMO, most of the people on these forums would be happy.

  ShakyMo

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5/10/12 2:05:58 PM#9
Lol at graphical comparison to wow, massive bunch of hyperbole much? It looks nothing bloody like wow, it looks like tes meets rift meets Aoc graphics wise
  SEANMCAD

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5/10/12 2:07:42 PM#10
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Lol at graphical comparison to wow, massive bunch of hyperbole much? It looks nothing bloody like wow, it looks like tes meets rift meets Aoc graphics wise

ou should see the screenshot with the controls turned on. Its looks hysterical. No f*cking way would I play that.

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  ShakyMo

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5/10/12 2:28:43 PM#11
I have, it doesn't look like wow.
  Distopia

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5/10/12 2:35:58 PM#12
Originally posted by Kelthius
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Senior uo people are working on this game

If it was exactly like skyrim but a mmo, who would buy tes6

It doesn't matter who is working on the game. From the info we have, there is nothing that relates TESO and UO other than it being a fantasy game. If it was a Skyrim MMO, most of the people on these forums would be happy.

Either way it would get the same amount of interest from me at this point.  "I'm listening, and waiting", that's it. I'd look at feedback the same way if it were "happy" people, because frankly we still don't know jackspit.

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  Mike-McQueen

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5/10/12 2:40:59 PM#13

I never thought the elder scrolls would ever turn me off though. I'll wait a see if they have an ace up there sleeve, but honestly, at this point it had better be four of a kind.

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  Kelthius

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5/10/12 2:42:19 PM#14
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Kelthius
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Senior uo people are working on this game

If it was exactly like skyrim but a mmo, who would buy tes6

It doesn't matter who is working on the game. From the info we have, there is nothing that relates TESO and UO other than it being a fantasy game. If it was a Skyrim MMO, most of the people on these forums would be happy.

Either way it would get the same amount of interest from me at this point.  "I'm listening, and waiting", that's it. I'd look at feedback the same way if it were "happy" people, because frankly we still don't know jackspit.

The little we do know is enough to turn me off. I'm still going to give this game a chance, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

  SEANMCAD

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5/10/12 3:07:22 PM#15
Originally posted by Kelthius
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Kelthius
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Senior uo people are working on this game

If it was exactly like skyrim but a mmo, who would buy tes6

It doesn't matter who is working on the game. From the info we have, there is nothing that relates TESO and UO other than it being a fantasy game. If it was a Skyrim MMO, most of the people on these forums would be happy.

Either way it would get the same amount of interest from me at this point.  "I'm listening, and waiting", that's it. I'd look at feedback the same way if it were "happy" people, because frankly we still don't know jackspit.

The little we do know is enough to turn me off. I'm still going to give this game a chance, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

I am actually more intrested in the reaction of this game news than I am the game itself.

Correlation does not imply causation

  necredon

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5/10/12 3:17:49 PM#16
Originally posted by Fadedbomb

From all of the negative press I've been reading over the past week or so of TESO countless times I've come across articles that simply miss the point entirely as to why TESO is a bad investment (or idea) overall as an MMO.

 

Look, the reason TESO is horrible isn't because "The Elder Scrolls" series wouldn't work well as an MMO. Quite frankly, the opposite is true from myself, and my friend's, perspective. However, the TRUE problem with TESO is that they've taken the TES franchise and gone in an ENTIRELY different direction from what TheElderScrolls series has always been about.

 

Some examples:

-TESO is similar to TheElderScrolls series is as Blizzard making World of Warcraft 2 would be similar to StarWars: Galaxies 

-TESO is to TheElderScrolls series as Call of Duty is to the BattleField series, and vice versa.

 

Quite frankly, they've taken a relatively well known franchise and completely changed the "Target Mindset" for the entire series simply to get a larger profit margin. It's a poor strategy, and numerous studios are near-bust for similar moves. It's a bad investment overall, and unless the developers make a DRASTIC change to TESO (short of scrapping it entirely) they're in for a horrible surprise come release around 2014-2015 (should 2012 not be our last year =P).

 

 

So PLEASE, stop getting it wrong as to why there's SO MUCH negativity around The Elder Scrolls: Online. It is most certainly NOT because TES doesn't fit into an MMO environment. It is because the design decisions around the game, and it's playstyle, are COMPLETELY off-base with its fans. 

 

-Thank You

You don't know anything about the game, all you know is that it will feature an action bar instead of an aiming system.

Your examples don't make sense, so PLEASE stop getting it wrong.

-Thank you

  Rekindle

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5/10/12 3:38:00 PM#17

we know enough about the game to say what it is not and to a large extent this is the point.

 

What it is is a big let down for a lot of the fans.

  necredon

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5/10/12 3:44:24 PM#18

Nope, you don't have any details, only big general terms which can be filled in in various ways.

  Kelthius

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5/10/12 3:48:17 PM#19



Originally posted by necredon
Nope, you don't have any details, only big general terms which can be filled in in various ways.


No pets- Pretty Straight forward. No Pets.
No housing- Pretty Straight forward. No houses.
Classes- Pretty Straight forward. Not skill based like the rest of TES.
 
Where am I suppose to fill in?

  necredon

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5/10/12 3:56:21 PM#20
Originally posted by Kelthius

 



Originally posted by necredon
Nope, you don't have any details, only big general terms which can be filled in in various ways.



No pets- Pretty Straight forward. No Pets.
No housing- Pretty Straight forward. No houses.
Classes- Pretty Straight forward. Not skill based like the rest of TES.
 
Where am I suppose to fill in?

 

I'm replaying morrowind right now, i'm a warrior.

A warrior does sound a bit like a class now doesn't it?

=> you don't know how it will work

Since when have pets been such a big thing in ES?

No housing: Again, not such a big thing in ES, atleast to me and you never had the ability to build your own house, so what do these fans expect? About 6000 buyable houses per server? ( alts have to be included ofcourse) Or what? Introduce a ENTIRELY NEW SYSTEM to build houses? hmmm

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