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General Discussion  » Is the game really that gear dependent?

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  Citalkay

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5/10/12 10:24:00 AM#1

The idea of the game being heavily gear dependent is making me worry quite a bit.

Can anyone confirm that the game is heavily gear dependent?

  wrightstuf

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5/10/12 10:26:28 AM#2

confirm

  NeoZcar2

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5/10/12 10:27:24 AM#3

Not so much gear dependant as level dependant. A person 3 levels higher then you should be able to beat you every time hands down. But a same level person with much better gear can easily be beaten if you are the better player. This is because of the way the combat works in this game. Gear cannot make up for lack of skill in a skill based action combat system.

  User Deleted
5/10/12 10:29:59 AM#4
Originally posted by citalkay

The idea of the game being heavily gear dependent is making me worry quite a bit.

Can anyone confirm that the game is heavily gear dependent?

 

If you compare it to other mmorpg then its not heavily gear dependent cause its a action combat so your skills as a gamer matter the most. From videos ive seen of high level soloing dungeons the character was very very geared up well so defently you need good gear.
  RebelScum99

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5/10/12 10:30:46 AM#5

At max level, yeah, it's probably more gear dependent, although I'm not there yet so I can't verify for sure.  During the leveling process though, it seems more level dependent than gear dependent.  The scaling in this game is kind of whacky, so if you are even two levels over a mob, BAM or otherwise, you'll probably have a a good shot at killing it.  Same goes for PvP.  Even a 3 level difference against a player is going to give you a massive edge.    

  SoulOfRaziel

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5/10/12 10:31:19 AM#6
Originally posted by citalkay

The idea of the game being heavily gear dependent is making me worry quite a bit.

Can anyone confirm that the game is heavily gear dependent?

Yes it is gear dependent and in PvP it is unbelievable how much it is Lvl dependent and not player skill dependent

  wrightstuf

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5/10/12 10:34:49 AM#7
Originally posted by NeoZcar2

Not so much gear dependant as level dependant. A person 3 levels higher then you should be able to beat you every time hands down. But a same level person with much better gear can easily be beaten if you are the better player. This is because of the way the combat works in this game. Gear cannot make up for lack of skill in a skill based action combat system.

that would hold true for any game

and if you're going to pvp, i'm assuming you'll need to level too...gear makes a huge difference in Tera. my 42 archer started killing even level or higher mobs way more easily once i got a good bow and armor. it made a much larger impact than i recall from other MMOs.

  User Deleted
5/10/12 10:39:05 AM#8

Perception. You will get a lot of players here telling you how tera is more about "skill".

But in reality when you say tera is about skill, it's a match between you and a semi aware girlfriend of mine who likes to try out my lvl60 char for her first 5 minutes ever touching this game.


If a full geared guy need 4 hits on you while healing the double ammount with his hit than YOU and you need 12 hits, with half the healing and chain stunning posibility.....

Go figure how the average match will turn out.

*Hint* Smash - stun, knockdown,2x crits, dead. Glorious 2 seconds of a fight. This is something all those fluffy tera videos are not showing unless you dive into the korea section of youtube's tera part.

Of course it's not that much of a big deal since here in the West you can more easely enchant, but in the contrary this means until you get to the point of enchanting and sticking all those neat BAM crystals in your armor / weapon you are not facing 1 out of 100 "über" gear guys but more like 40 out of 100.

Until then, best rush to max or it will get ugly. (being one shot at lvl58+).


  NeoZcar2

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5/10/12 10:48:57 AM#9
Originally posted by skydiver12

Perception. You will get a lot of players here telling you how tera is more about "skill".

But in reality when you say tera is about skill, it's a match between you and a semi aware girlfriend of mine who likes to try out my lvl60 char for her first 5 minutes ever touching this game.


If a full geared guy need 4 hits on you while healing the double ammount with his hit than YOU and you need 12 hits, with half the healing and chain stunning posibility.....

Go figure how the average match will turn out.

*Hint* Smash - stun, knockdown,2x crits, dead. Glorious 2 seconds of a fight. This is something all those fluffy tera videos are not showing unless you dive into the korea section of youtube's tera part.

Of course it's not that much of a big deal since here in the West you can more easely enchant, but in the contrary this means until you get to the point of enchanting and sticking all those neat BAM crystals in your armor / weapon you are not facing 1 out of 100 "über" gear guys but more like 40 out of 100.

Until then, best rush to max or it will get ugly. (being one shot at lvl58+).

 

Those kind of fights only happen if you are terrible. I have had fights on my warrior where I was up against a Slayer/Zerker combo and a Lancer Priest combo and won both of those 2v1 fights simply because every class has damage avoidance abilities and if you know what your doing and use them properly and your opponent doesnt you win. Also I might add these were not your semi aware girlfriend. One group was a rival guild we were at war with who tried to gank me and ended up giving us 2 points towards the war. The other pair was a 3 pack of PKers who tried to jump me while I was soloing a BAM. One got one shot by the bam and I killed the other 2 while kiting the BAM... Skill will always mean more then Gear in this game. Don't get me wrong there are so many bad players in this game. So many people who need to go back to WoW or SWTOR where they can just tab target on someone and button mash. I have never seen a game where I can fight a caster and because they suck so bad in 5 minutes of my kiting them on my alt mystic they never land a single ability on me.

  Xasapis

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5/10/12 10:50:57 AM#10

It's an mmoRPG. Not an FPS. Gear should always matter.

  Loktofeit

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5/10/12 10:52:46 AM#11
Originally posted by skydiver12

Perception. You will get a lot of players here telling you how tera is more about "skill".

It's not so much perception as it is playstyle. If you are a PvE player, the game is more about the action during combat. Being undergeared - something you'd actually have to work at doing since quests keep your gear updated - isn't a problem.  In PvP, however, gear is critical.

filmoret: One thing I have never figured out is why the game devs hardly ever fix simple problems that arise. It is like they don't care about the pvp community.

Nitth: What makes you so sure its a simple fix?

filmoret: Because most of them are. Sometimes its just changing a number in a code string other times its creating a few variables. However none of them should take over a few hours of coding.

  Loktofeit

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5/10/12 10:54:30 AM#12
Originally posted by Xasapis

It's an mmoRPG. Not an FPS. Gear should always matter.

I'd change 'gear' to 'stats'. Gear is just one means to that end.

 

filmoret: One thing I have never figured out is why the game devs hardly ever fix simple problems that arise. It is like they don't care about the pvp community.

Nitth: What makes you so sure its a simple fix?

filmoret: Because most of them are. Sometimes its just changing a number in a code string other times its creating a few variables. However none of them should take over a few hours of coding.

  NeoZcar2

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5/10/12 10:56:07 AM#13
Originally posted by Xasapis

It's an mmoRPG. Not an FPS. Gear should always matter.

It should matter, but it should never be the deciding factor. Even in tabletop RPG's knowing your character and what they could and could not counter *ie "Skill" had more weight in teh game then what gear your character had equipped. 

 

The importance of gear in MMORPGs is a dirty habit developers got into because of WoW... Because WoW didnt understand that EQ originally wasnt as gear dependant as organization and skill dependant. Then WoW changed the basic ideas of MMORPGs for the worse and everyone fell in line. 

 

Tera and GW2 have both shown that skill is and can be a deciding factor to build a game around. That you can make a game where gear is less important.

  BadSpock

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5/10/12 10:57:31 AM#14
Originally posted by Xasapis

It's an mmoRPG. Not an FPS. Gear should always matter.

Best mmoRPG and best original PvP MMO gear didn't mean anything  - UO.

Your statement is false.

Should have added a "to me" at the end there, lots of us with a very different perspective.

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  odinsrath

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5/10/12 11:01:20 AM#15
Originally posted by Xasapis

It's an mmoRPG. Not an FPS. Gear should always matter.

i totally agree to a small degree gear dose matter ...just to get off the topic a bit..imo i see this game moving f2p soon just because the way the death system works...**looks in his crystal ball**   " i c cash shops soon with potions you can buy for instantly riseing from the dead"

 

  User Deleted
5/10/12 11:02:00 AM#16


Originally posted by NeoZcar2

Those kind of fights only happen if you are terrible. I have had fights on my warrior where I was up against a Slayer/Zerker combo and a Lancer Priest combo and won both of those 2v1 fights simply because every class has damage avoidance abilities and if you know what your doing and use them properly and your opponent doesnt you win. Also I might add these were not your semi aware girlfriend. One group was a rival guild we were at war with who tried to gank me and ended up giving us 2 points towards the war. The other pair was a 3 pack of PKers who tried to jump me while I was soloing a BAM. One got one shot by the bam and I killed the other 2 while kiting the BAM... Skill will always mean more then Gear in this game. Don't get me wrong there are so many bad players in this game. So many people who need to go back to WoW or SWTOR where they can just tab target on someone and button mash. I have never seen a game where I can fight a caster and because they suck so bad in 5 minutes of my kiting them on my alt mystic they never land a single ability on me.


Funny how you try to deny my point by exactly making it. If you two vs 1 won a fight your opponents clearly lacked in level, gear or both and most of it basic understanding of the game.

Besides, i can assume you have a lvl60 in korea / japan or even yet in US/NA? Or are you really judging the itemisation of TERA of your lvl20 fights against people who are not the norm`?

Are you rally trying to pull off the story of a full gold epic guy having issues even hitting your godlike presence even once in 5 minutes and selling it us as "the norm" because you are so skilled?

  RebelScum99

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5/10/12 11:06:06 AM#17
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by Xasapis

It's an mmoRPG. Not an FPS. Gear should always matter.

Best mmoRPG and best original PvP MMO gear didn't mean anything  - UO.

Your statement is false.

Should have added a "to me" at the end there, lots of us with a very different perspective.

The same could apply to you, since your claim about UO is a personal opinion.  

  Xasapis

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5/10/12 11:07:30 AM#18
Originally posted by odinsrath
Originally posted by Xasapis

It's an mmoRPG. Not an FPS. Gear should always matter.

i totally agree to a small degree gear dose matter ...just to get off the topic a bit..imo i see this game moving f2p soon just because the way the death system works...**looks in his crystal ball**   " i c cash shops soon with potions you can buy for instantly riseing from the dead"

Would be useless since there is an NPC in each spawn point town that fully restores stamina with ingame cash. There are also potions that do the same thing.

 

It's more of an elaborate way to make people take small breaks from gaming, stretch their legs etc.

  rexzshadow

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5/10/12 11:08:25 AM#19

Tera's PvP goes something like this Level>Skill>Gear

Even if some one only need 4 hits to kill you with Tera if your skilled you can dodge/block majorty of them against less skilled players. Ofc if your skill are similar than skill thats when gear start to kick in.

And i have a lvl 60 and i pvp good amount of people in my guild and other. I held my own just fine against people with full +6-9 with my full +0 set.

  xposeidon

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What is "real"? How do you define "real"?

5/10/12 11:11:32 AM#20
Originally posted by rexzshadow

Tera's PvP goes something like this Level>Skill>Gear

Even if some one only need 4 hits to kill you with Tera if your skilled you can dodge/block majorty of them against less skilled players. Ofc if your skill are similar than skill thats when gear start to kick in.

And i have a lvl 60 and i pvp good amount of people in my guild and other. I held my own just fine against people with full +6-9 with my full +0 set.

Damn man what's the secret to leveling up so fast? I play about 3-4 hrs a day and I'm only level 37 :/

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