Originally posted by jtcgs

The stock industry states you are wrong, thus you ARE wrong no matter how much you personally like the game.

Thanks, I needed some humor to start my morning. (:

Originally posted by AtmaDarkwolf

I wonder, if u don't like the game, why are you spending so much energy 'reporting' how it fails.

 

Most people know SWTOR has failed. They made a great single player game and tried to crowbar it into a mmo, bad idea, being bioware, chances are they won't learn, but OTHER companies wil(I Freaking hope, lookin at you TESO and zenimax/bethesda)

 

So why waste the energy. Let it die and feel that pride swell in your chest, but to come to forums and plant the 'Imatroll' flag on your immaginary hill.

 

Go hype in the games u like, or help people, just don't get why people waste so much energy on this.

 

(Don't get me wrong, I can understand people who LIKE something and watch it get destryoed complaining, voicing concerns, etc, but to not 'be intrested' in a product and keep declaring how much it fails while never having actually PAID for, or WANT to pay for the product? It makes no sense.)

There could be a variety of reasons, but in the end, they like making you butthurt enough to post complaining about people who complain.  Their impact on whether TOR succeeds or fails is zero, so why should anyone care what people say about the internet?

Originally posted by Axehilt

Originally posted by iceman00

Except if you look at the way EA's stock has plummetted, especially since the release of TOR, I don't think you'd be calling it a "healthy profit."

And actually, you really don't understand what people don't like.  We don't like the fact that Bioware made essentially a WoW clone, that much is true.

What he is talking about is investor risk/reward.  In other words, maximizing the investors profit margins, not anyone else's.  And the question becomes:  what's the payoff for investing in a game that is bleeding subs pretty fast, and the devs really don't seem to have a clue with how to fix it.  (1.2 only confirmed this.)  That isn't an "arbitrary definition."  It is the classic mechanic behind all decisions to invest money.

You are confusing "risk" in the sense of innovating in the game world, to risk in investing and maximizing profits.  While in some cases they are similiar, this case proves right here they are not so.

You act like EA's stock was purely driven by ToR, which clearly isn't true.

Of course not.  It was also impacted by ME3 pulling in less than anticipated, a slowing console market (slow economy + people simply becoming bored with the limited tech of the consoles), alongside the mother of all bad PR years.  From DA2 to TOR, EA has been the pinata in the press.  Still, they spent more on this game than several of these other games combined.  When it fails, that's going to leave a mark.

Originally posted by Blackwater56

Originally posted by CalmOceans

Every MMO seem to drop subs after the first months though. GW2 will do it, Tera will do it, the only MMO I didn't see it happen with was WoW, they kept having to add servers. But then there's only one Blizzard.

Guild Wars 2.

Drop in Subs.

 

HAH you a funny guy!

GW2 will not be very sucessful. I was in the beta and the game is pure crap and I was hoping it would be great as I loved the Guild Wars series of games.

EA's CEO John Riccitiello on CNBC last night discussing the investor blow back after the quarterly report release.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/47341927

Nothing unexpected about this news. It was just matter of time when this would happened. SWOTOR was highly expected to come out by many, and in the end we all got knocked of are feet  how bad it turn out to be. When you know that dev for this mmo was Bioware who has long past of successes and quality, this is a big let down and it does not do any favor to Star Wars setting. But that is what happens when people become gready and corporate suits (EA) take over. And there reaction and press release on this news, that those almost half milion subs are just weekend players?!  LOL, so funny.

Originally posted by endgame1

EA's CEO John Riccitiello on CNBC last night discussing the investor blow back after the quarterly report release.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/47341927

Obviously he's trying to upsell and defend his stock, but his point about investors being clueless is exactly why I laughed at the guy who said "The stock industry states you are wrong, thus you ARE wrong."

I skipped this game totally. I knew it was going to be another WoW/Rift clone and I was right. I went back to EQ on FtP and am now a subscriber once again since 2004. If someone would make a game like the original EQ with updated graphics, etc., it would be gold. I have been grinding the same level for 7 days now and haven't dinged, and love it! In Rift/Wow I can get to the cap in 7 hours (exaggerating). I do hope this game has success though, but it's not for me. Everquest Next, I'm praying, is the MMO savior.

Why I'm having difficulty enjoying SW:TOR these days:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T--BMk6qgk

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

It's better than every game since WoW losing at least half their player base or more at the 3 month mark. Being realistic should include not expecting 'success' to equal WoW's behavior. A reasonable expectation is a big release, followed by a drop in sales and subscriptions over time. There will be a period of stability where subs coming in match the subs going out, finally followed by a long sunset where the game tries several different methods to gain new subs (like free to play, trials to level 20, etc.) ending at long last in the game shutting down. Over the lifetime of the game there might be a couple of times when the subs jump up again - releasing in other regions would be a big reason, with expansions causing much smaller increases in subs.

The days of a game running like gang-busters for years are done. WoW was an aberration and it won't repeat. I thought SWToR was a good game, but there's no reason to think they've changed the landscape...it's an MMO and it will go the way of all the other MMO's before it (except WoW of course). It'll just make more money than the others (except WoW of course).

 

The problem is that it isn't about the player or onlookers expectations, it is about what EA expect the game to do and past experience would dictate that they will be formulating (if they haven't already) an exit plan from this game in case it continues not to hit or exceed their expectations. This is all purely speculation as i don't know what they have in mind, but EA aren't a publisher well known for their respect towards players.

Originally posted by endgame1

EA's CEO John Riccitiello on CNBC last night discussing the investor blow back after the quarterly report release.

 

http://www.cnbc.com/id/47341927

Lol, ok LOL, the guy says (EA CEO) Star wars the old republic is not on our top priority, not in the top 5 but in the top 10, but it's a solid succes.

I can't believe the crap coming out of his month... hahahah, just suck it boy !!

Pls investor just don't EA.

another shitty wow clone with shitty theme park features and tab target, obvious this game was going to fail, its a piece of shit.

in this thread, idiots calling other people retards for enjoying a game....

this site is quite amusing in a way. Granted TOR is not going to overtake wow as the best mmo ever ( i personally hate wow) but to belittle other's for enjoying a game, is comical at best.

Originally posted by miagisan

in this thread, idiots calling other people retards for enjoying a game....

 

this site is quite amusing in a way. Granted TOR is not going to overtake wow as the best mmo ever ( i personally hate wow) but to belittle other's for enjoying a game, is comical at best.

if you enjoy wow themepark tab target clones then power to ya

Originally posted by dooney

Originally posted by miagisan

in this thread, idiots calling other people retards for enjoying a game....

 

this site is quite amusing in a way. Granted TOR is not going to overtake wow as the best mmo ever ( i personally hate wow) but to belittle other's for enjoying a game, is comical at best.

if you enjoy wow themepark tab target clones then power to ya

see signature.

and i enjoy all styles of gameplay....just because you dont like it, doesnt make you seperior too anyone else.

Originally posted by miagisan

Originally posted by dooney

Originally posted by miagisan

in this thread, idiots calling other people retards for enjoying a game....

 

this site is quite amusing in a way. Granted TOR is not going to overtake wow as the best mmo ever ( i personally hate wow) but to belittle other's for enjoying a game, is comical at best.

if you enjoy wow themepark tab target clones then power to ya

see signature.

and i enjoy all styles of gameplay....just because you dont like it, doesnt make you seperior too anyone else.

i never said i was superior to anyone, if you enjoy these types of clones then good for you. i dont get why you people get all excited about the next mmorpg thats just another themepark clone. you'll probably buy elder scrolls online and they have already said its going to be a wow clone.

Originally posted by Bushi13

Originally posted by endgame1

EA's CEO John Riccitiello on CNBC last night discussing the investor blow back after the quarterly report release.

 

http://www.cnbc.com/id/47341927

Lol, ok LOL, the guy says (EA CEO) Star wars the old republic is not on our top priority, not in the top 5 but in the top 10, but it's a solid succes.

I can't believe the crap coming out of his month... hahahah, just suck it boy !!

Pls investor just don't EA.

It sounds even more nuts when you see a person say it other than just reading it. TOR is only in their top 10 of importance? They blow away by far the nearest competitor in terms of budget and the game isn't even in the their top 5?

Say what you guys want to say but with him trying to distance himself from TOR only says the game is worst off than even this forum is claiming.

They can't hide the truth for much longer.....can they?

Also what a clone doing the interview. CNBC, who's that? I want to see O'Reilly pin this tool down.

Originally posted by dooney

Originally posted by miagisan

Originally posted by dooney

Originally posted by miagisan

in this thread, idiots calling other people retards for enjoying a game....

 

this site is quite amusing in a way. Granted TOR is not going to overtake wow as the best mmo ever ( i personally hate wow) but to belittle other's for enjoying a game, is comical at best.

if you enjoy wow themepark tab target clones then power to ya

see signature.

and i enjoy all styles of gameplay....just because you dont like it, doesnt make you seperior too anyone else.

i never said i was superior to anyone, if you enjoy these types of clones then good for you. i dont get why you people get all excited about the next mmorpg thats just another themepark clone. you'll probably buy elder scrolls online and they have already said its going to be a wow clone.

your paragraph is enough to strengthen my point alone. Your condensating tone couldn't be more obvious. 

EA's CEO John Riccitiello on CNBC last night discussing the investor blow back after the quarterly report release.

 

http://www.cnbc.com/id/47341927

Also the EA CEO says with got some great stuff on iOS coming next month,

What about ROCK STAR on IOS, they are closing the server leaving people that bought the App for $ 4,99 with nothing at the end of this month. All apps are online, no offline mode.

So basically if you buy an App from EA, you can if they want, they can also decide to stop hosting the game and you will be  left with nothing, NOTHING !!

So not only it cost you bandwith because there is no offline gaming on it but will you trust EA with your money to buy somthing on your phone that you actually don't own at all ??

if they say we stop, you got to stop as well. they still own the game/app and you bought a game card in the app store.

UNBELIEVABLE !! follow the link.

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mobile-2/wtf-ea/

Originally posted by JohnShields

I quit playing less than a month after release. Unfortunately I'm still subbed because my 6 year old loves to play it. I keep threatning him that I'll delete it and cancel the sub if he's bad... and oddly enough he keeps doing better after that. :\ I just cant get rid of TOR.

ESRB Teen rating not under 13 years old .....

http://www.swtor-life.com/news/teen-esrb-rating/3803/