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  orsonstfu

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5/09/12 3:20:59 PM#121

I kinda agree with this. I am getting tired of being reminded that WoW is EQ2. But there is one thing about that. If EQ(2) was so damned good, why didn't it generate 12M accounts? It's not about who did it 1st. It's about who did it right. Getting it right also includes timing and conditions. Which brings us right back to this thread doesn't it?

 

EQ was garbage because it looked bad then and it looks prehistoric now.

  Quenchster

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5/09/12 3:25:38 PM#122

The word casual can be used in a way to discribe a person as unexpected, occasional, or impulsive. He is just blaming the million out of the two million or so players for being impulsive buyers, for choosing to play only once in awhile, and for not being of their target audience. Seems logical, amiright?

  User Deleted
5/09/12 3:36:07 PM#123

Regardless of whether it's casuals or hardcores or a combination of the two leaving the game, it's never a good idea to blame the consumer for the failure of a product.  It's just bad business.

 

  Slampig

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5/09/12 3:37:28 PM#124

wait, don't the majority of people on this site blame the "casuals" for the woes this genre is experiencing? 

 

So what's the problem, they still have over one million hardcores...one MILLION, think about that number...it's a lot!

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  arieste

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5/09/12 3:50:06 PM#125
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

 


Originally posted by Pyuk


Originally posted by arieste


Originally posted by Pyuk



Originally posted by GeezerGamer

 
When will these suits realize 2 things?
1. If people want to play WoW, they play WoW.
2. WoW was a fluke. It happened. It wasn't supposed to happen, It shouldn't have happen, Probably won't happen again.


QFT. WoW was released at exactly the right time to capitalize on EQ's 3D MMO legacy. It was basically a new and improved EQ at the time. NOt even Blizzard could repeat what happened with WoW.


Actually, if you want to be techincal, EQ2 was basically a new and improved EQ and came out exactly the same time.  And while the game has been and remains hugely successful, it still pales in comparison to WoW in terms of commercial success.  Because... "WoW was a fluke. It happened. It wasn't supposed to happen, It shouldn't have happen, Probably won't happen again."   Very well put by that poster.  +1


Thanks Captain Obvious. But we're talking WoW, here. WoW was based on EQ and tried to improve on its formula. No sh*t EQ2 was an actual sequel. Did the fact it was called EQ2 give it away? Give yourself a medal.

 

I kinda agree with this. I am getting tired of being reminded that WoW is EQ2. But there is one thing about that. If EQ(2) was so damned good, why didn't it generate 12M accounts? It's not about who did it 1st. It's about who did it right. Getting it right also includes timing and conditions. Which brings us right back to this thread doesn't it?

Exactly.  My point being that two games "did it right" and launched nearly identical games, at the same exact time - both were basically updates of EQ1, both had great IPs, both were aimed at casuals, both had nearly the same gameplay (albeit drastically different graphics).  Yet one got 10m Subs another maybe 1m if it was lucky.  Why?  Because WoW was a fluke, it got lucky due to a large combination of intangibles and paid-off gambles, and eventually because the hype grew on itself.  not because it was or is better.  

 

So trying to rebuild WoW or duplicate its success is an exercise in failure.  

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  lizardbones

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5/09/12 3:51:33 PM#126


Originally posted by Mishakai
Odd, most of the hardcore players I know are giving TERA a spin while waiting for GW2 to see how it pans out..
If only hardcore players are playing TOR, howcome PVP queue times have doubled, if not more, since 1.2???
What a load of garbage.
Even their podcase is nothing but a bunch of self gratifying butt smacking.  All you hear is a couple BW guys telling each other how good a job they did, while completely ignoring the pletora of community concerns post 1.2 that has cost them ~400k subs.



I don't think those words mean what you think they mean. :-) Or, more accurately, you are using the words differently than the guy giving the speech in the article.

Casual = someone who isn't going to spend too long in any one game, regardless of how many hours they play it per day. They are short term players or game jumpers. I am one of those people...there's not much a game is going to do to keep me playing it for more than 3 months at a time, especially since I generally play games one game at a time.

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  Tardcore

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5/09/12 4:13:49 PM#127
Well Bioware, all I can say is it is sad to see your once spoltless legacy sodomized by these brain damaged monkeys. Dark days indeed.
 

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  PyrateLV

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5/09/12 4:16:21 PM#128
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by Mishakai
Odd, most of the hardcore players I know are giving TERA a spin while waiting for GW2 to see how it pans out..
If only hardcore players are playing TOR, howcome PVP queue times have doubled, if not more, since 1.2???
What a load of garbage.
Even their podcase is nothing but a bunch of self gratifying butt smacking.  All you hear is a couple BW guys telling each other how good a job they did, while completely ignoring the pletora of community concerns post 1.2 that has cost them ~400k subs.




I don't think those words mean what you think they mean. :-) Or, more accurately, you are using the words differently than the guy giving the speech in the article.

Casual = someone who isn't going to spend too long in any one game, regardless of how many hours they play it per day. They are short term players or game jumpers. I am one of those people...there's not much a game is going to do to keep me playing it for more than 3 months at a time, especially since I generally play games one game at a time.

 

Casual can also mean someone who doesnt have long play sessions, or the weekend warrior type in a single game.

I am one of those casuals.

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  BarCrow

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5/09/12 4:22:40 PM#129

meh

 

 

  Shedren

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5/09/12 4:22:58 PM#130

The game offered nothing new or fascinating besides lightsabers and there quest dialoge system. Which got pretty boring and annoying after 30 levels of the game for a lot of gamers. I would also point out that it was very linear in progression nothing like a sandbox at all.  Which is why I left personally.

 

 

  ace5572

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5/09/12 4:26:57 PM#131

EA is like a giant kid. Pointing fingers and blaming anything but themselves.

  Ice-Queen

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5/09/12 4:28:33 PM#132

It's kinda comical now. They blame the customers they still have for the decline and their current customers keep making excuses for them, even taking up for BW for being inexperienced. Check out the post below. Kinda hard to feel sorry for the customers when they're like this.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=450147

"I've been hearing constant complaints about Bioware and the game itself. I'm not going to lie here; I've made some of these complaints myself. Once I gave myself time to think it over, however, I realized that there's no point in being irritated. You people need to know that this is Bioware's -FIRST MMO-. They're still learning how to do it. It takes time to learn how to make sufficient patches on the first try, or to polish the game to a certain degree. As store-shelf game designers, Bioware is used to being able to fix a mistake a long while after's it's made because they notice during the development and testing process. In a video game, you have at least a couple of months of testing. In a mmo, they're rushing to put the patch out(Here, I'm not talking about the actual game, just the patch. Bioware had several months of BETA to test it). Until Bioware learns some of these skills needed to run an MMO, we will notice some issues.

On top of inexperience, Bioware is also having issues with both EA and the Mass Effect 3 ending. EA has rushed them to complete both TOR and Mass Effect 3 on time in order to compete with other titles as is what happens when you have another company calling the shots for you. When it comes to Customer support, most of the issues people have are there simply because they've never played an MMO before. I've seen people complaining about selling something they needed and not getting a warning. That's simply how an MMO is. On top of that, TOR gets THOSANDS of help requests every day. If your ticket isn't addressed immediately, or is addressed inadequately, -BE PATIENT-. Continue asking for assistance if they failed to help you and you will get your answer eventually.

For those of you whom can't even log into the game due to crashes, I don't blame you for unsubscribing.....But if you do, and actually like the game, check back in with it eventually. Chances are, they will have fixed it.

Now then, before you say that I'm a Bioware/EA fanboy, please note that I have only ever played one Bioware game which was the original KOTOR and I preferred KOTOR II to that. When it comes to EA, I have two games by them that I don't really pay much mind. "

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  Suraknar

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5/09/12 5:03:51 PM#133
Originally posted by Tayah

It's kinda comical now. They blame the customers they still have for the decline and their current customers keep making excuses for them, even taking up for BW for being inexperienced. Check out the post below. Kinda hard to feel sorry for the customers when they're like this.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=450147

[...]

LOL LOL LOL...this kind of post OMG how many times have I read it in many MMOs...it is new players alright ;)

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  SoulOfRaziel

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5/09/12 5:11:10 PM#134

I dont think they should make an mmo just to hit hardcore fans of a tittle cause if they do it will for sure fail...

u can use a known tille such as star wars or TES but it does not mean that anything u do will be a success just because have its name... the game must own its public with quality

thats what i think...

  Fearum

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5/09/12 5:12:32 PM#135

Now LET'S PLAY HUTBALL!!!!!!

  Saxx0n

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5/09/12 5:35:12 PM#136

  gervaise1

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5/09/12 7:14:30 PM#137

As far as profitability goes EA didn't really say much this time - although they said 'stable' and 'profitable'.

For the contectyou need you go back to the February results and presentations etc.

At that point EA said that they would / will break even on 500k subs; a year earlier they talked about 'substantially profitable' at 500k but it overran etc. (EA said it released late). However currently on a day-to-day basis it is profitable.

The investment has to be recouped however for the product to be profitable and for that - regardless of what it cost - EA said that they would not have made the investment if they did not expect 1M subs for the long term; analyst interpretation suggests 1M subs for up to 2 years. i.e. 500k a month more than break even for 2 years; or 1 million above breakeven for 1 year; 2 million for 6 months etc. It will also depend on advertising etc.  like free months!

At that point they make a bottomline profit.

An analogy: you buy an apartment and let it out. The rent covers your repair bills, taxes and so forth. On an on-going basis you are profitable. However if the house falls down before the on-going profit has paid back the bank you are stuffed. That is the difference between the two.

  NaughtyP

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5/09/12 9:54:20 PM#138

I almost feel sorry for someone saying something that stupid. Then I remember EA is evil and all my sympathy vanishes.

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  Elikal

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5/10/12 6:26:53 AM#139

Lol. Advanced Propagandizing indeed. Blaming casual is epic. Hey, why not blame climate change? Or El Kaeada. Or the Freemasons??

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Greyhooff

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5/10/12 6:47:41 AM#140

Blaming their own customers for their failure to do their jobs.

Typical.

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