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  descreth

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OP  5/09/12 2:12:47 AM#1

Seeing as how every MMO nowadays is just down right terrible and the majority of us aren't even playing them, is there ANY at all that are worth playing? I see TSW and GW2, yet I just see both of them failing in the end.

 

What are you guys playing? What do you reccomend? 

  Adamantine

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5/09/12 2:35:49 AM#2

My vote goes to Vanguard:

- huge classic fantasy gameworld with an enormous mass of quests and about 50 very well designed dungeons

- carefully designed, complex and dynamic classes with an unique game experience on each of them

- alternative progression in the crafting (trade/harvest/however you want to call it) and diplomacy sphere

- awesome raiding with use for every player class unique features, with a large number of different opponents and unique strategies for each of the bosses

- much more stuff as well (housing, mounts, fishing etc)

My main problem with Vanguard is still mainly lack of players. It will go F2P in summer, I hope we'll see more people then. The main feature missing from the game to make it complete would be meaningful PvP. Right now there is an arena but thats all.

  Myrdynn

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5/09/12 2:40:29 AM#3

SOE F2P is the worst thing I have ever seen

VG also has absolutely no character progression other then gear, no talents, no exp to spend, no AA's, nothing, every bard is the same

not the bugs, nor the lack of content turned me off on VG, its the lack of what I listed above that wore boring on me and my guild

 

  Quirhid

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5/09/12 2:41:52 AM#4

Anything new at this point is good. Any game that plans to distinguish itself with more than a gimmick is good. Although first I'd like to see more games that are well made.

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  punkrock

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5/09/12 2:50:41 AM#5
I am guessing you never played VG or only got to level 10.

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  Adamantine

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5/09/12 2:53:09 AM#6
Originally posted by Myrdynn

VG also has absolutely no character progression other then gear, no talents, no exp to spend, no AA's, nothing, every bard is the same

Um, the "every bard is the same" clause is wrong. You can very freely design bard songs, in this respect bard is the most flexible class of them all.

But yes, Vanguard has no AA *shrug* thats just another form of progression, though. And gear progression is quite complex in Vanguard, by the way - you can already customize your character massively through gear, which is also obviously much more flexible than static skill progression through AA, so I fail to see the importance of AA other than being used to it from other games.

Also, AA is ancient adenna to me, so this is always a bit a confusing acronym at first lol.

They had at one point attempted to do AA, but apparently havent been happy with the system they came up with. Right now Vanguard is completely static - until summer, all they will do is tweaking and bugfixing.

 

Originally posted by Quirhid

Anything new at this point is good. Any game that plans to distinguish itself with more than a gimmick is good. Although first I'd like to see more games that are well made.

Well, Vanguard is not something new per se, its an attempt to do the classic fantasy MMO "right". It has nice unique features like diplomacy and a very dynamic and complex combat system (not a simple press the same three buttons over and over if you want to play your class optimally).

  Emrendil

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5/09/12 6:40:48 AM#7
Originally posted by descreth

Seeing as how every MMO nowadays is just down right terrible and the majority of us aren't even playing them, is there ANY at all that are worth playing? I see TSW and GW2, yet I just see both of them failing in the end.

 

What are you guys playing? What do you reccomend? 

Definitely Tera. But if you see every MMO "failing", then I recommend moving to another genre :)

  madazz

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5/09/12 8:33:49 AM#8
Originally posted by Adamantine

My vote goes to Vanguard:

- huge classic fantasy gameworld with an enormous mass of quests and about 50 very well designed dungeons

- carefully designed, complex and dynamic classes with an unique game experience on each of them

- alternative progression in the crafting (trade/harvest/however you want to call it) and diplomacy sphere

- awesome raiding with use for every player class unique features, with a large number of different opponents and unique strategies for each of the bosses

- much more stuff as well (housing, mounts, fishing etc)

My main problem with Vanguard is still mainly lack of players. It will go F2P in summer, I hope we'll see more people then. The main feature missing from the game to make it complete would be meaningful PvP. Right now there is an arena but thats all.

I wanted to try Vanguard, but held off because I heard it was going F2P. Then when I tried EQ2 F2P using my original account I was saddened. I know some people like it, but I hate being nickeled and dimed for every little thing. I couldn't even wear my old armour because I had to purchase the slot. The launcher had ads, when the game first loaded it up the character screen there was an advertisement. When I got into the game as my character there was an advertisement and tons of instructions on how to purchase stuff. SOE and F2P = no go for me. 

 

Its cool that other people enjoy it though, so more power to them! I still may try out Vanguard depending on what the subscription model will be like, and the amount of ads. Knowing Sony, I feel its best for me to wait and see what others say when the transition is made.

  ElderRat

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Posts: 909

5/09/12 8:40:12 AM#9
Originally posted by descreth

Seeing as how every MMO nowadays is just down right terrible and the majority of us aren't even playing them, is there ANY at all that are worth playing? I see TSW and GW2, yet I just see both of them failing in the end.

 

What are you guys playing? What do you reccomend? 

Every MMO is not terrible to everyone.  Many people enjoy the games out there, unfortunately they are designed with the  "need to have everything now" crowd in mind, in my opinion, and do not cater to those who enjoy a challenge.  The only MMO out there that is good, in my opinion , is EVE.   However that is just my jaded opinion. I choose to play Skyrim right now, I do have DDO in case I need to play something.. but I rarely touch it.   I feel like I have been left behind in the MMO genre, the games i liked the best are either gone now (Shadowbane) or have dated graphics.   Good luck.

Currently bored with MMO's.

  xDayx

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Joined: 9/08/11
Posts: 713

5/09/12 9:48:11 AM#10
Originally posted by descreth

Seeing as how every MMO nowadays is just down right terrible and the majority of us aren't even playing them, is there ANY at all that are worth playing? I see TSW and GW2, yet I just see both of them failing in the end.

 

What are you guys playing? What do you reccomend? 

Your going to have to answer that for yourself.

For example, I think the only themepark worth playing is VG. The sandboxes I think are worth playing are EVE, Mortal Online, D.F. 2.0(if it ever comes out), and a few others.

It may be totally different for you though. You may like alot of those themeparks and hate sandboxes.

  Dragonantis

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Joined: 12/16/10
Posts: 967

5/09/12 9:50:47 AM#11

From that opening post I see you dont have any faith in an MMO doing well, prehaps you should try D3 for a change of pace from MMO's?

  fenistil

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Joined: 9/22/11
Posts: 3016

5/09/12 9:53:23 AM#12
Originally posted by descreth

Seeing as how every MMO nowadays is just down right terrible and the majority of us aren't even playing them, is there ANY at all that are worth playing? I see TSW and GW2, yet I just see both of them failing in the end.

 

What are you guys playing? What do you reccomend? 

Since you don't have any faith in current and upcoming mmorpg's - I advise you to play single player games (The Witcher 2 is good) , or maybe normal mulitplayer games and leave mmorpg's alone.

 

Peace.

  dave6660

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5/09/12 9:56:54 AM#13
Originally posted by Quirhid

Anything new at this point is good. Any game that plans to distinguish itself with more than a gimmick is good. Although first I'd like to see more games that are well made.

For once you and I are in agreement.  I'm pretty much retired from mmorpg's at this point.  I'll come back when I see thing radically different from the rest of the herd.  Like you said, gimmicks aren't cutting it anymore.  Judging by the previews of the upcoming games, that probably won't be for a few years.

"Why so serious?"
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  Thorbrand

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Joined: 3/06/04
Posts: 1217

5/09/12 10:00:50 AM#14
Originally posted by descreth

Seeing as how every MMO nowadays is just down right terrible and the majority of us aren't even playing them, is there ANY at all that are worth playing? I see TSW and GW2, yet I just see both of them failing in the end.

 

What are you guys playing? What do you reccomend? 

I am with you on this and haven't really played a MMO in years except for the little 2 two to max and quit the game, we all know any game that shallow is a fail in the long run. I am waiting for GW2 since it isn't a hand holding MMO and the WvW is pretty good.

Otherwise there is nothing with depth or gameplay to hold anyone a long time.

  Indol

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Joined: 2/10/12
Posts: 192

5/09/12 10:01:35 AM#15

I've been non-stop playing the heck out of GW2: Skill Calculator lately.

Hands down the best thing out there right now.

  waynejr2

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5/09/12 10:08:51 AM#16
Originally posted by Adamantine

My vote goes to Vanguard:

- huge classic fantasy gameworld with an enormous mass of quests and about 50 very well designed dungeons

- carefully designed, complex and dynamic classes with an unique game experience on each of them

- alternative progression in the crafting (trade/harvest/however you want to call it) and diplomacy sphere

- awesome raiding with use for every player class unique features, with a large number of different opponents and unique strategies for each of the bosses

- much more stuff as well (housing, mounts, fishing etc)

My main problem with Vanguard is still mainly lack of players. It will go F2P in summer, I hope we'll see more people then. The main feature missing from the game to make it complete would be meaningful PvP. Right now there is an arena but thats all.

OP, beware that the subs on Vangaurd have been terrible.  People voted with their wallets.  You will find people on the forums trying to sell you their niche games.   Look past what the claims are and just look at the position in the market. 

People will offer reasons as to why the game was a failure.  You must ask yourself if the reasons even matter.  Beware the f2p change claims that it will somehow fix a bad game.

 

  Jabas

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Joined: 7/23/08
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5/09/12 10:16:34 AM#17
Originally posted by descreth

Seeing as how every MMO nowadays is just down right terrible and the majority of us aren't even playing them, is there ANY at all that are worth playing? I see TSW and GW2, yet I just see both of them failing in the end.

 

What are you guys playing? What do you reccomend? 

I dont dare to recomend a MMO to someone who says all MMOs fail and even the next future ones will fail too.

 

I dont see fail MMOs, i only see some MMOs i like and others i dont like and others i dont even know if i like or not

  Quizzical

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5/09/12 10:17:10 AM#18

It depends on why you think most games are terrible.  If your complaint is "it's too grindy", then you're looking for something very different from someone who complains "leveling is too fast".  If your complaint is "the graphics look terrible", then you're looking for something very different from someone who complains "it won't run on my computer".  If your complaint is "I'm forced to spend too much time searching for groups", then you're looking for something very different from someone who complains "too much of the game is played solo".

  Mardukk

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5/09/12 10:24:08 AM#19

Well OP there are bits and pieces of games that are good.  Vanguard's world is amazing, SWTOR's story is pretty good, WoW has good raiding the EQ's have a massive amount of content.  It just seems that a lot of games these days haven't been able to put all the pieces together.

 

I would hold out hope for GW2 and maybe even TSW (for story purposes and a change of setting).

 

But as other's have said it all depends on what you want.

  Axehilt

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5/09/12 10:26:06 AM#20

RIFT is still fun.

TERA is alright, though involves an awful lot of tedious traversing the countryside.

Still subscribed to both, alongside playing plenty of non-MMOs (SMNC, Tribes, Mass Effect 1 again, Port Royale 3, Insanely Twisted Shadow Planet.)

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