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  Ozmodan

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5/07/12 8:33:08 PM#461
Originally posted by akiira69

Originally posted by Mithur

Originally posted by akiira69

my only question is after countless numbers of years(ever since Morrowind came out probably earlier) of Bathesda and ZeniMax both saying "There will be no Elder Scrolls MMO Please Quit Asking for it". What made them change their mind?
 

They say "we will not develop a MMORPG, we haven't the skills". And is true.

The problem with ESO (BTW, the acronym in my languaje means "that") is that having the best singleplayer sandbox in the market remade as a online themepart is a big mistake. The fanbase of the saga love the sandbox experience, and will not like the themepark one. And the rest of the people will not have any interest in a lore they don't know...

I know I won't be playng another WoW-Clone. SWTOR was my mistake, not to repeat.

 

Ive said it once ill say it again there is no such thing as a "WoW Clone". In order for it to be a Clone it must be identical in every shape and form. There are many differences between WoW and SWTOR. First the graphics in SWTOR is much better than the graphics in WoW. Second unlike in WoW there is actually a storyline in SWTOR that even a blind man could follow. Another thing the classes are deffinitly NOT the same. In WoW all classes share the same questlines, while in SWTOR each class(Republic: Knight, Consular, Smuggler, Trooper, Sith Empire: Warrior, Inquisitor, Bounty Hunter, Imperial Agent) each have their own unique storyline. The only 2 things that SWTOR and WoW have in common is their both MMO's and they both use a talent tree for their classes. Having 2 things in common does not make a game a clone. The only time there will ever be a "WoW Clone" is if Activision/Blizzard makes World of Warcraft 2.

Oh give me a break, they are identical themeparks despite one being fantasy and the other science fiction they basically operate the exact same way.  When the word clone is used in this context it means operates the same way, which they do, SWTOR is just Wow in space.  You can stop your nitpicking now.

  NevereveN

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5/07/12 8:52:13 PM#462

TES has been known for their horrible PVM in single player!!!

 

Now are they really using SWTOR engine??? pve and pvp combat will fail. And i dont even think they are making adjustments to improve them at all and busy with housing, RvR system, and props. I just cant believe it....

  Entinerint

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5/08/12 2:00:45 AM#463

Supposedly it will be released in 2013, has been in development since 2007.  Not holding my breath though, it looks like garbage after reading the GI article.


  gsgalaxy

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5/08/12 5:26:39 AM#464

Elder Scrolls Online .... why do they all want to jump on this MMO train ? The Elder Scrolls games have their own deeper story and world - the single player game experience works because it's combination of story, open world, unique visuals and not to forget, the extensive modding capabilities. In this game series the players not only get to play the game as it is, after, besides or before the main story you can find many secrets and places, which aren't known and not even necessary to and for the storyline, there is ONE Hero (and not thousands)  and players can start the modding machine and give their creativity a wonderful tool, to help with their talents to make the game even more a better experience. And anybody is free to choose, what they will add or not add to their basic game !

This won't be possible for a fixed MMORPG game world, were there have to be exact rules to follow, that the game will work online for thousands of players.  It will be like any other MMO - just an MMO - looking at the first screenshots, if i would have not known, there suppose to be images from the Elder Scrolls MMO game, i would have thought, it's just  ANOTHER MMO, not more or less ... Do i want an Elder Scrolls to be like any other MMO ? Not really ...

And - look at all those "great" MMO names, which were released the last two years ... the hype at the beginning was huge, but really quick they have to struggle with players leaving those game real quick and they have a hard time to keep going on - and there fate not too long after the first release is to be turning into "Free-to-play" game models ... Do i want this fate to hit an Elder Scrolls game title ? Not really ...

  Thane

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5/08/12 5:34:01 AM#465

seriously, what is it that should make me want to play TESO?

 

another theme park with tab target combat?

another game that can't deliver propper pvp?

 

it gives me the possibility to fusrodah with people i never met or even wanted to know, great :)

i'd say let it come, if it's good we will see... if not... yea, didnt expect it anway.

 

 

what we have is a "great background" and a company doing their first mmo

aaaand you guys really start the hype train again? okai. hf ^^

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  trash656

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5/08/12 8:01:38 AM#466

BillMurphy, and You guys on mmorpg.com are overhyping yourselves again. Just because it's being developed by ZeniMax Studios doesn't mean anything. It doesn't matter who's developing it either. Just as Bioware was good at making single player RPG's it doesn't mean that it's going to be the same for a Online MMO. None of you even know what formula the developers plan on using to develop this game, for all we know it could be just another WoW Clone. And already you are protraying this game to be the second comming of jesus. Are you guys getting paid to overhype games on here? It seems so, but just don't come back to us on here complaining how sad you are because you think the Game is just another WoW clone, or isn't something you expected it too be.


Good lord when are you guys going to wake up.


  trash656

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It is easier to Fight for Principles then it is to Live up to them.

5/08/12 8:05:22 AM#467

Originally posted by akiira69




Originally posted by Mithur





Originally posted by akiira69




my only question is after countless numbers of years(ever since Morrowind came out probably earlier) of Bathesda and ZeniMax both saying "There will be no Elder Scrolls MMO Please Quit Asking for it". What made them change their mind?



They say "we will not develop a MMORPG, we haven't the skills". And is true.

The problem with ESO (BTW, the acronym in my languaje means "that") is that having the best singleplayer sandbox in the market remade as a online themepart is a big mistake. The fanbase of the saga love the sandbox experience, and will not like the themepark one. And the rest of the people will not have any interest in a lore they don't know...


I know I won't be playng another WoW-Clone. SWTOR was my mistake, not to repeat.





Ive said it once ill say it again there is no such thing as a "WoW Clone".



I could believe that there is no such thing as a "WoW clone" but I just couldn't get my head that far up my ass. :D


  Agent_Joseph

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5/08/12 8:07:56 AM#468

it ll be one more SP+MP+monthly sub game...new trend

only EVE is real MMO...but I am impressive with TSW

  LordOfPit

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5/08/12 11:39:09 AM#469

"What the Elder Scrolls Online Means for MMORPGs?"


Probably nothing much as it's likely to be just another MMO like all the rest of them.


  liadz

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Joined: 3/30/07
Posts: 35

5/08/12 2:15:53 PM#470

So did anybody see/read this http://leviathyn.com/blog/2012/05/04/the-elder-scrolls-online-massive-leak-from-game-informer/ ?




Lots of information about the game here and some of them kind of kill my excitement.





 

  zymurgeist

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5/08/12 2:23:30 PM#471
Originally posted by trash656

Originally posted by akiira69




Originally posted by Mithur





Originally posted by akiira69




my only question is after countless numbers of years(ever since Morrowind came out probably earlier) of Bathesda and ZeniMax both saying "There will be no Elder Scrolls MMO Please Quit Asking for it". What made them change their mind?


They say "we will not develop a MMORPG, we haven't the skills". And is true.

The problem with ESO (BTW, the acronym in my languaje means "that") is that having the best singleplayer sandbox in the market remade as a online themepart is a big mistake. The fanbase of the saga love the sandbox experience, and will not like the themepark one. And the rest of the people will not have any interest in a lore they don't know...


I know I won't be playng another WoW-Clone. SWTOR was my mistake, not to repeat.




Ive said it once ill say it again there is no such thing as a "WoW Clone".


I could believe that there is no such thing as a "WoW clone" but I just couldn't get my head that far up my ass. :D

 There aren't any WoW clones. Just failed replicants. Like the Ripleys in the lab scene from Alien Ressurection. They've never even come close to recreating WoW.

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  Alberel

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Joined: 12/02/09
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5/08/12 2:42:28 PM#472

From what we know of this they've gutted everything that actually made the Elder Scrolls series great... this is literally being sold on the name alone, and idiots are already buying into it.


  User Deleted
5/08/12 2:50:20 PM#473

It means the following and it keeps getting worse...

1. That the majority mmo developers still do not care about what players want out of a franchise. They still believe that the WoW  way is still the standard, which clearly it is not.

2. They are just in it for the money, there is no love for the franchise or fans here because if there was we wouldn't be getting a generic mmo.

3. The mmo genre keeps sinking to new depths. Once you think there is hope, sure enough you can always count on the majority of mmo developers to disappoint.

  akiira69

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Need longer quote limits.

5/08/12 10:54:42 PM#474

my only question is after countless numbers of years(ever since Morrowind came out probably earlier) of Bathesda and ZeniMax both saying "There will be no Elder Scrolls MMO Please Quit Asking for it". What made them change their mind?
 

They say "we will not develop a MMORPG, we haven't the skills". And is true.



The problem with ESO (BTW, the acronym in my languaje means "that") is that having the best singleplayer sandbox in the market remade as a online themepart is a big mistake. The fanbase of the saga love the sandbox experience, and will not like the themepark one. And the rest of the people will not have any interest in a lore they don't know...


I know I won't be playng another WoW-Clone. SWTOR was my mistake, not to repeat.


Ive said it once ill say it again there is no such thing as a "WoW Clone". In order for it to be a Clone it must be identical in every shape and form. There are many differences between WoW and SWTOR. First the graphics in SWTOR is much better than the graphics in WoW. Second unlike in WoW there is actually a storyline in SWTOR that even a blind man could follow. Another thing the classes are deffinitly NOT the same. In WoW all classes share the same questlines, while in SWTOR each class(Republic: Knight, Consular, Smuggler, Trooper, Sith Empire: Warrior, Inquisitor, Bounty Hunter, Imperial Agent) each have their own unique storyline. The only 2 things that SWTOR and WoW have in common is their both MMO's and they both use a talent tree for their classes. Having 2 things in common does not make a game a clone. The only time there will ever be a "WoW Clone" is if Activision/Blizzard makes World of Warcraft 2.


Oh give me a break, they are identical themeparks despite one being fantasy and the other science fiction they basically operate the exact same way.  When the word clone is used in this context it means operates the same way, which they do, SWTOR is just Wow in space.  You can stop your nitpicking now.

 

the definition of clone from Dictionary.com(2nd as the first deals with biology): 

a person or thing that duplicates, imitates, or closely resembles another in appearance, function, performance, or style

Using this definition the only person nitpicking is you. You look at all of the MMORPG's that were released after WoW and pick and pick and pick at it untill you see what you want to see. The only thing you want to see is this fabled "WoW Clone" and nothing else matters especially facts you cast aisde that prove you wrong. If you really want to nitpick on what is a clone and what is not a clone. Then any and all RPG games both online and offline are AD&D Clones. Cause without AD&D most if not all game developers would never have created their game. Also WoW in it self is a clone of all MMORPG's that came before it.

 

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  spaceport

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5/08/12 11:03:25 PM#475

Oh my god...another one of those "X game is not a wow Clone because it's not EXACTLY THE SAME"

 

Geeeeez, are you for real?

 

And you linked the definition of clone? are you for real dude? ahahahahhahahahahhahahaha


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  rguilbert

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5/09/12 12:01:30 AM#476

Not sure why all the hate. 

Seems like they are leaning towards a realm war type setup (similar to DAOC), with the unfortunate inclusion of some instanced (dungeons/battlegrounds) and heroic content.

 

I get that everyone loves single player TES games.  They are a favorite of mine as well.  Perhaps I missed it, but I haven't heard that single player TES games are going away because this is being released.

 

They do seem to be trying to be everything to everyone.  That is likely a mistake.  I'd prefer to see a totally persistent (non instanced) world myself.  If that is bothering people, I'm with you.  However, I'd note that GW2 is doing the same, and the positive hype for that is off the chart.

 

Using the Hero engine is a complaint, largely because TOR used it, and TOR is horrible.  I don't think the engine makes the game though.  In fact, using Hero saves money.  That frees up development money for other things.   So many people complain that TOR wasted money on voice overs and advertising, rather than using those resources on content.  Now we have a game coming out that is saving money with the Hero engine, and people are claiming that they are greedy...they should use all their excess money on making a new engine.  You can't have it both ways.  Either being frugal when possible is good for the game's development, or it isn't. 

 

I'm looking forward to seeing more info about the game.  It's a little too early for gloom and doom.

  Himshim

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5/09/12 12:47:21 AM#477

And there goes the fun in Elder Scrolls. Rest in Peace.


  syrion

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5/19/12 11:56:45 PM#478

If what I hear is correct and this is close to DAOC2 then my whole guild is in. We are excited and waiting for more news.

  Riptose

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10/10/12 12:40:49 PM#479
"Using the Hero engine is a complaint, largely because TOR used it, and TOR is horrible.  I don't think the engine makes the game though.  In fact, using Hero saves money.  That frees up development money for other things.   So many people complain that TOR wasted money on voice overs and advertising, rather than using those resources on content.  Now we have a game coming out that is saving money with the Hero engine, and people are claiming that they are greedy...they should use all their excess money on making a new engine."



They are creating there own engine to run this game. They only used the hero engine to create concepts and drafts.

Everyone needs to read this and see where they are taking this game...

http://tamrielfoundry.com/development-faq/
  Vyeth

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10/10/12 12:56:15 PM#480
Originally posted by Deleted User

It means the following and it keeps getting worse...

1. That the majority mmo developers still do not care about what players want out of a franchise. They still believe that the WoW  way is still the standard, which clearly it is not.

 

 

if this is true then why it is that when WoW releases an xpac so many people rush out to buy it? Why is it still the number 1 MMO? Why is every MMO released judged according to the accolades that WoW achieved?

They target WoW because we as gamers tell them to..

Sad that even Bethesda has to take a hit now because they find hope in the false dream of becoming "like WoW", but hey, had we thrown millions of dollars into a sandbox like everyone seems to think they would have maybe we would have a different vision and outcome of TES:O..

Everyday these forums seem like more and more the vocal minority than what the majority of playerbase actually thinks, because for all the values these forums stand for the exact opposite is true in the reality of things..

Ex. - The ones most vocal about wanting something "new" and tired of the WoW clones are the same ones that pay Blizzard 15 bucks a month to continue to play WoW.. Clearly not helping the situation..

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