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General Discussion  » Estimated Price of Diablo 3 Gold and other RMAH FACTS

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  dubyahite

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5/08/12 12:22:25 AM#61
@borkenvideo

"Why do you assume we are against the Auction House?"

I didn't say that, not once. I was simply showing you that sellers should pass the costs off to buyers and that it should be expected that Blizzard would monetize the ah.

As far as being a shill, according to this site I work for Bioware/EA, Blizzard, High-res, SOE, and probably Zenimax soon for not absolutely freaking out about TESO Can't disagree with the hate parade around here without being called a shill.

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  wowhaga

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5/08/12 12:24:23 AM#62
Originally posted by squalleonah

in this business case, i can only see 1 winner :D. however RMAH is good idea, why dont we creating a community web with the trade function the same :D

its called d2jsp

  Jetrpg

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5/08/12 12:26:14 AM#63
Originally posted by Johaboha
Originally posted by gilgamesh42

so wait i have to pay them 15% just to sell something and have it go to my account and another 15% to  take it out ?

-__- mofos think we asian  slaves

 

Asian slaves? You ever have a job??? In america you pay taxes on every single dollar you make, prolly right around 15% depending on how much you make ( i donno exactly how much not a tax expert...) and then you pay taxes on every single item you buy (legally.) 

 

point being look at how your own country operates before spouting your uneducated racial slurs

 

MOre like 25-40% in the us.

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  thinktank001

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5/08/12 12:35:32 AM#64
Originally posted by insanejosh

Some people really need to learn how to read.

Most people are going to be selling and buying Equipment on the RMAH. The only time you are being hit with 30% is on Commodities. The only Commodities I really see selling on the RMAH is Gems.

Also, what the hell is with all the QQ? You are selling items, maybe you need maybe you dont, that just cost you time playing a game you enjoy and you get to make a little cash. Hell its a win win situation.

If you don't understand why they get this percent or why they charge this amount, you need to go take some business courses and learn that not everything is free.

 

For Equipment (weapons, armor, accessories, and other unique items)

  • Transaction Fee (Gold Auction House): 15% of final sale price
  • Transaction Fee (Real-Money Auction House): $1.00 USD per item / $1.00 AUD per item
  • Transfer Fee (when sending proceeds to PayPal or other authorized payment-service provider): 15% of amount being transferred

 

For Commodities (gems, materials, dyes, pages, recipes, and other non-unique items)

  • Transaction Fee (Gold Auction House): 15% of final sale price
  • Transaction Fee (Real-Money Auction House): 15% of final sale price
  • Transfer Fee (when sending proceeds to PayPal or other authorized payment-service provider): 15% of amount being transferred
 
 
 
 

 

I must be the only one that reads this as 15% fee due to the auction house transaction, and a 15% fee if you decide to cashout. 

  borkenvideo

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OP  5/08/12 12:47:06 AM#65
Originally posted by dubyahite
@borkenvideo

"Why do you assume we are against the Auction House?"

I didn't say that, not once. I was simply showing you that sellers should pass the costs off to buyers and that it should be expected that Blizzard would monetize the ah.

As far as being a shill, according to this site I work for Bioware/EA, Blizzard, High-res, SOE, and probably Zenimax soon for not absolutely freaking out about TESO Can't disagree with the hate parade around here without being called a shill.

Oh its common? Maybe you should realize your possibly just not so bright and should spend more time listening to people with common sense instead of telling others how wrong they are and back that statement up with meaningless nonsense that contradicts the point or is not at all related to it? Just saying...

Here's some food for you.

1. I WANT Blizzard to make a profit and keep the game running long time.

2. I WANT the auction house to be successful, and EVERYONE to use it, whether to make money to pay cell phone bill, or trade their nice weapon of no use for one that they can use... Or even play WALL STREET and make a mint speculating currency exchance rates, buying and reselling etc...

3. I WANT the player base to have an amazing time.

Now you all mostly make me out to be some kind of monster when the fact is, I can see something clearly wrong, that won't help the situation at all, and if Blizzard had any truth to their statements they are making a big mistake, or possibly they have been lieing to keep the fact down they want long term revenue and this was the goal behind it... Either way... its wrong and I will tell you why..

Because... By inflating the cost too high, creates the 3rd party market, the lower they make their costs, the harder it becomes for the 3rd party market to succeed.... The more profit there, the more they can invest and hang... This is long term hurtfull... Gives them a good boost at the start.. This will in fact COST BLIZZARD TO LOSE MORE MONEY.. dont you see that?

If you sell 9000 turkeys at 50 cents, thats $4500, blizzard makes $1350

If 35% of 9000 turkeys sold outside that means, 3150 turkey sales were lost, $2925, blizzard makes only $877.5

But its even less than that, because turkeys will NOT SELL at 50 cents, more like 40 cents due to deflation... $2350, blizzards cut $702

Amazing, by Blizzard CHARGING MORE, they create the 3rd party market they stood to destroy, and lose 50% proceeds in the process of doing so...

Of course maybe we should see who owns these sites that sell the gold, such as PLAYERAUCTIONS.com?? Did not IGN own this site?

 

 

 

 

  MaNiaGG

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5/08/12 12:49:16 AM#66
Originally posted by dubyahite
So, about the 15% thing. If you want to make $10 from an item for some reason, post it for $11.50. Boom.

Another problem solved with basic math.

The 15% on an item transaction is absorbed by the buyer. The 15% on the withdrawal is absorbed by the seller.

It's simple. In a cash shop there is no seller. The company makes all the money. This way Blizzard is ensuring that they can make money off their "cash shop" and they want to make money off the sellers as well.

Either way, if you are a seller, it's not likethey are charging you money out of your pocket. You are making money off a freaking video game for crying out loud. It's 100% profit for you.

First world freaking problems much?



Also your assumption that the gold cap = the real money cap is just silly. You have nothing to base that on and it's going to be completely incorrect.

11.5*0.85=9,775. So much for basic math :D




  jusomdude

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5/08/12 12:50:45 AM#67

Um you know you can split your gold up right? You don't have to sell the max amount for 250... lol.

break it up and sell it for what it's worth. I mean really.

  Magnetia

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Any fool can know. The point is to understand.

5/08/12 12:51:17 AM#68

I already knew that this was an absolute genius way of making money. I knew from the beginning that the biggest winner from RMAH was going to be blizzard. Who did you think it was actually going to benefit from this?

Blizzard tries to increase post release profits! I am not shocked at all.

Here's a nice little video to watch.

http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/the-diablo-iii-marketplace

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  Grailer

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5/08/12 12:54:39 AM#69

Gosh you guys are ignorant.

 

If you read properly.

 

When you make the auction to sell you choose  CASH or BLIZZ$$

 

When your item sells you pay $1 + 15% of the Total Sale  to blizzard . Then you either get CASH or BLIZZ$$

 

There is a 2.9% charge from paypal .

 

You dont pay 15%+15% lmao.

  omegadethh7

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5/08/12 12:59:12 AM#70

Can we trade in the blizz cash for prizes like at a chuckie cheese?

  dubyahite

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5/08/12 1:15:59 AM#71
@brokenvideo

Wow dude. Throwing insults always proves your point better. Awesome job, you are mean so you are obviously correct.


As far as your turkey argument: pure speculation. You keep saying that 35% of all sales are going to be outside of the RMAH. Here are you getting this number from? Pure speculation.

You have no idea what is going to happen.

You're not even arguing the points I'm making anymore.

Bit since you mention it,I really doubt that 35% will be on other sites. Of course, unlike you I don't have a crystal ball so I'm just guessing.

Why don't you wait and see what happens before crying out dooooom. I don't remember making you out to be a monster, I simply disagree with your assessment of the situation, not the end of the world.

Most players are not going to go off site when the means are provided in game to buy something. Same with sellers. Why would I risk getting scammed by some scammy site when the game supports the action I want to take? I think the vast majority will agree with me.


Honestly though, neither of us know what's going to happen. Cost isn't the only factor to consider though. Security, ease and quickness of use, fear of bans, speed of delivery, and other factors will all play a role.

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  borkenvideo

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OP  5/08/12 1:17:45 AM#72
Originally posted by Grailer

Gosh you guys are ignorant.

 

If you read properly.

 

When you make the auction to sell you choose  CASH or BLIZZ$$

 

When your item sells you pay $1 + 15% of the Total Sale  to blizzard . Then you either get CASH or BLIZZ$$

 

There is a 2.9% charge from paypal .

 

You dont pay 15%+15% lmao.

That is not true, last week they announced the 15% / 15%,

As for the $1 + 15% you state is also wrong, its $1 per armor or weapon piece (single stack items) 15% for all STACKABLE items like essence etc.

Next its exchange cost + blizzard cut.. It does not mention what cut this is.. but last week it was flat 15% until they had to do the legal mumbo jumbo and not state what Paypals cut was.. so now they reworded it.. payment fee, plus blizzard cut.. So you have no basis to state its anything other than 13.1% as that has been the fact stated earlier.


As for my speculation I am talking about gold sales, which will eventually be higher than 35% at these rates... This is a gold sellers wet dream... To get this chance.... It will flourish and gold will sell so much outside, it will hurt internally big time

  dubyahite

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5/08/12 1:19:09 AM#73
Oh and another thing, people keep saying "durr it's basic economics and business duh. Take a business class idiot. Geez "

From what I understand, businesses tend to pass their costs on to their customers. If costs go up, so do prices. This is what I have been saying.

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  borkenvideo

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OP  5/08/12 1:21:17 AM#74
Originally posted by dubyahite
Oh and another thing, people keep saying "durr it's basic economics and business duh. Take a business class idiot. Geez "

From what I understand, businesses tend to pass their costs on to their customers. If costs go up, so do prices. This is what I have been saying.

That's where you are totally wrong. this market is 100% cornered by them.. they just opened it to the masses.. if your jug of water leaks.. do you still have 100% of the water? Every drop of water they lose, is their loss... Do some calculations, At what percentage can they lose before its obvious lost income?

Hint the answer is 0.01%

If they averaged $100,000 a month profit in auction sales..

If 10% of all gold was sold outside not thru the AH, thats $10,000 in lost action. $3000 they lose

So if they lowered their cost by 10% thats what? $97000 only... But they will ruin the 3rd party marking, bring back in 10% more business, which means they do $117,000 in profit.. +inflation do to the opposite effect of not having deflation to compete with another market.

Its really simple to see, when you have a CORNERED market how easy it is to lose money being greedy

 

 

 

 

 

  dubyahite

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5/08/12 1:28:19 AM#75
YOU AREN'T EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING AS ME BORKEN.

Geez.


When people are complaining that they are going to get hit for 30% when they sell, I am simply pointing out that they should pass on the transaction fee to the buyer.

You are talking about gold sellers, I am talking about avoiding both fees from blizzard so you can make more money selling.

HOLY CRAP.

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OP  5/08/12 1:29:46 AM#76
Originally posted by dubyahite
YOU AREN'T EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING AS ME BORKEN.

Geez.


When people are complaining that they are going to get hit for 30% when they sell, I am simply pointing out that they should pass on the transaction fee to the buyer.

You are talking about gold sellers, I am talking about avoiding both fees from blizzard so you can make more money selling.

HOLY CRAP.

Why are you saying this though? Who cares? Its irrelevant, its not the fee we are talking about, its the fact the fee is too high.

 

 

  Quesa

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5/08/12 1:37:09 AM#77
Originally posted by borkenvideo

I guess this means that 100,000,000,000 gold = $250 right now... Kinda sad.

That's a hell of a leap.  There isn't even enough logic in your deduction to call that an assumption.

  dubyahite

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5/08/12 1:48:59 AM#78
"Why are you saying this though? Who cares? Its irrelevant, its not the fee we are talking about, its the fact the fee is too high."

Actually, it is relevant. You say 30% (actually 27.75%) is too high. I show you (as a seller) how to lower the cost to yourself. You go on a rant about how 35% of allgold will be sold off site with absolutely no evidence.

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5/08/12 2:23:41 AM#79

Sooo... if D3 didnt have a RMAH everything would be nice and dandy and no one would cry. The fact that they do, and they give you a chance to make some cash, even if it will be very little, makes people go into rage and throw insults here and there because the cut Blizzard takes is too high? If you feel that the "work" you've put in for aquiring the item/commodity you wish to sell is worth more than what you will make from the RMAH, just don't use the darn thing. It's not a forced built-in mechanic.

 

I wish they replace boss drops with boxes containing loot, and also replace the RMAH with a cash shop which sells XP buffs and keys for those boxes, that's in GW2 and fanboys are trying to convince everyone here from weeks that it's an absolutely fine system, the company has to make money post release.

 

I actually wish that this kind of RMAH system, where the company takes its cut, would take the place of the usual cash shop which many games have.

 

 

  expresso

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5/08/12 2:36:17 AM#80
More QQ'ing we all know how it works, like it or lump it.
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