Originally posted by xion12121

          Question for everyone responding to this thread about boasting about numbers??? Does this 1.3 million they showed include the people who signed up for 6 months game time by being noobs and not knowing what they were doing??? 

          Because i feel that in those numbers maybe 1/3 or more are stuck with a 6 month subscription and I'm pretty sure they got counted regardless whethere they are playing or not!  So in Actuality we won't know the real effect until the next quarter, considering 6 month subscriptions probably will all end in late April , Early May! I wouldn't be exicted on those numbers as of yet till we see the numbers then! 

Thats true about every game genius so whats your point.  It also doesn't include the fact the new people might come to the game and some people on free trials might buy it.

Lets be honest, SWTOR haters never give good reasons why they hate the game, but just hate it because thats the cool thing to do online, hate things others like. 

they are still not under 500k ,  move the goal post another 3 months.

Originally posted by kcypher2000

Originally posted by jacklo

Originally posted by spaceport

Didn't EA said that they needed 1m subs for a year to break even?

It was actually 500k subs over 12 months to break even.

They also said 1 million over 12 months would be a good profit but nothing to write home about, the investors would not be happy!

 

You know nothing about business so stop trying.  If the break even point is 500K then double that amount is definitely good news because its nearly all profit from that point on.  Lets not forget that WoW did not start at 12 million subs but built up to that.

Way i look at it is that SWTOR has all the bases covered for an mmo with a story that none of them can compare too.  Soon they will have dungeon finder too.

How do you build up your subscriber base when you are losing subs each quarter?  23.5% drop in "active subscriptions" over the last quarter.  I'm not even sure what "active subscriptions" are, but I'll bet there is more of them than "paying subscriptions".

Originally posted by kcypher2000

Originally posted by xion12121

          Question for everyone responding to this thread about boasting about numbers??? Does this 1.3 million they showed include the people who signed up for 6 months game time by being noobs and not knowing what they were doing??? 

          Because i feel that in those numbers maybe 1/3 or more are stuck with a 6 month subscription and I'm pretty sure they got counted regardless whethere they are playing or not!  So in Actuality we won't know the real effect until the next quarter, considering 6 month subscriptions probably will all end in late April , Early May! I wouldn't be exicted on those numbers as of yet till we see the numbers then! 

Thats true about every game genius so whats your point.  It also doesn't include the fact the new people might come to the game and some people on free trials might buy it.

Lets be honest, SWTOR haters never give good reasons why they hate the game, but just hate it because thats the cool thing to do online, hate things others like. 

             The point is that those people are being counted even though they are not actively playing! to explain it in terms you can understand because you are not understanding me right now! 

             If people who bought 6 months that are currently stuck in a subscription and don't play could remove their subscription they would do so instantly! Meaning the number currently reported at 1.3 million would be reduced by 1/3 or more! If you can understand this now pls respond! 

Originally posted by killion81

Originally posted by kcypher2000

Originally posted by jacklo

Originally posted by spaceport

Didn't EA said that they needed 1m subs for a year to break even?

It was actually 500k subs over 12 months to break even.

They also said 1 million over 12 months would be a good profit but nothing to write home about, the investors would not be happy!

 

You know nothing about business so stop trying.  If the break even point is 500K then double that amount is definitely good news because its nearly all profit from that point on.  Lets not forget that WoW did not start at 12 million subs but built up to that.

Way i look at it is that SWTOR has all the bases covered for an mmo with a story that none of them can compare too.  Soon they will have dungeon finder too.

 

How do you build up your subscriber base when you are losing subs each quarter?  23.5% drop in "active subscriptions" over the last quarter.  I'm not even sure what "active subscriptions" are, but I'll bet there is more of them than "paying subscriptions".

I can name every other mmo out there that has lost subs especially after its launch.  SWTOR is not perfect and not for everyone. Subs go down and they also go up.   All you naysayers out there just want to see it fail regardless of the fact that its a solid mmo that many people do in fact enjoy. 

Originally posted by xion12121

Originally posted by kcypher2000

Originally posted by xion12121

          Question for everyone responding to this thread about boasting about numbers??? Does this 1.3 million they showed include the people who signed up for 6 months game time by being noobs and not knowing what they were doing??? 

          Because i feel that in those numbers maybe 1/3 or more are stuck with a 6 month subscription and I'm pretty sure they got counted regardless whethere they are playing or not!  So in Actuality we won't know the real effect until the next quarter, considering 6 month subscriptions probably will all end in late April , Early May! I wouldn't be exicted on those numbers as of yet till we see the numbers then! 

Thats true about every game genius so whats your point.  It also doesn't include the fact the new people might come to the game and some people on free trials might buy it.

Lets be honest, SWTOR haters never give good reasons why they hate the game, but just hate it because thats the cool thing to do online, hate things others like. 

             The point is that those people are being counted even though they are not actively playing! to explain it in terms you can understand because you are not understanding me right now! 

             If people who bought 6 months that are currently stuck in a subscription and don't play could remove their subscription they would do so instantly! Meaning the number currently reported at 1.3 million would be reduced by 1/3 or more! If you can understand this now pls respond! 

Can you not understand that you are ASSUMING.  I put it in bold for you since you obviously aren't too bright.  You have no basis on anything you are posting and do not know if new people will sub or how many will unsub. 

Originally posted by kcypher2000

Originally posted by xion12121

Originally posted by kcypher2000

Originally posted by xion12121

          Question for everyone responding to this thread about boasting about numbers??? Does this 1.3 million they showed include the people who signed up for 6 months game time by being noobs and not knowing what they were doing??? 

          Because i feel that in those numbers maybe 1/3 or more are stuck with a 6 month subscription and I'm pretty sure they got counted regardless whethere they are playing or not!  So in Actuality we won't know the real effect until the next quarter, considering 6 month subscriptions probably will all end in late April , Early May! I wouldn't be exicted on those numbers as of yet till we see the numbers then! 

Thats true about every game genius so whats your point.  It also doesn't include the fact the new people might come to the game and some people on free trials might buy it.

Lets be honest, SWTOR haters never give good reasons why they hate the game, but just hate it because thats the cool thing to do online, hate things others like. 

             The point is that those people are being counted even though they are not actively playing! to explain it in terms you can understand because you are not understanding me right now! 

             If people who bought 6 months that are currently stuck in a subscription and don't play could remove their subscription they would do so instantly! Meaning the number currently reported at 1.3 million would be reduced by 1/3 or more! If you can understand this now pls respond! 

Can you not understand that you are ASSUMING.  I put it in bold for you since you obviously aren't too bright.  You have no basis on anything you are posting and do not know if new people will sub or how many will unsub. 

                You are still not understanding what I'm saying though! We won't know the real numbers because people who bought 6 month  subs that ARE NOT CURRENTLY PLAYING, are still being counted when they shouldn't be! If you are understanding this pls respond! 

I have been saying for months that the population decline needed proof.  Well, here it is.  1.2 was a flop!  Where does SWTOR go from here?

Originally posted by xion12121

Originally posted by kcypher2000

Originally posted by xion12121

Originally posted by kcypher2000

Originally posted by xion12121

          Question for everyone responding to this thread about boasting about numbers??? Does this 1.3 million they showed include the people who signed up for 6 months game time by being noobs and not knowing what they were doing??? 

          Because i feel that in those numbers maybe 1/3 or more are stuck with a 6 month subscription and I'm pretty sure they got counted regardless whethere they are playing or not!  So in Actuality we won't know the real effect until the next quarter, considering 6 month subscriptions probably will all end in late April , Early May! I wouldn't be exicted on those numbers as of yet till we see the numbers then! 

Thats true about every game genius so whats your point.  It also doesn't include the fact the new people might come to the game and some people on free trials might buy it.

Lets be honest, SWTOR haters never give good reasons why they hate the game, but just hate it because thats the cool thing to do online, hate things others like. 

             The point is that those people are being counted even though they are not actively playing! to explain it in terms you can understand because you are not understanding me right now! 

             If people who bought 6 months that are currently stuck in a subscription and don't play could remove their subscription they would do so instantly! Meaning the number currently reported at 1.3 million would be reduced by 1/3 or more! If you can understand this now pls respond! 

Can you not understand that you are ASSUMING.  I put it in bold for you since you obviously aren't too bright.  You have no basis on anything you are posting and do not know if new people will sub or how many will unsub. 

                You are still not understanding what I'm saying though! We won't know the real numbers because people who bought 6 month  subs that ARE NOT CURRENTLY PLAYING, are still being counted when they shouldn't be! If you are understanding this pls respond! 

 You have no clue how many people are PLAYING.  Every game counts all subs genius so you are only assuming on the amount.    Wow do i need to use puppets for you to understand something so simple.......

Originally posted by Souldrainer

I have been saying for months that the population decline needed proof.  Well, here it is.  1.2 was a flop!  Where does SWTOR go from here?

It seems like the minority opinion is subs massively increase and it becomes the next WoW... or maybe even the fabled WoW-killer? 

Edit:  I should probably make a note that the above statement is full of sarcasm and that I do not agree with or believe in this minority opinion.

Originally posted by Souldrainer

I have been saying for months that the population decline needed proof.  Well, here it is.  1.2 was a flop!  Where does SWTOR go from here?

I am predicting that Tera will also have a population decline and so will GW2 if they counted subs....  Then again every mmo has a decline because nothing goes up forever.  Not to mention WoW had a few dips before it exploded and even now is proof that all games face down trends.

Originally posted by kcypher2000

Originally posted by Souldrainer

I have been saying for months that the population decline needed proof.  Well, here it is.  1.2 was a flop!  Where does SWTOR go from here?

I am predicting that Tera will also have a population decline and so will GW2 if they counted subs....  Then again every mmo has a decline because nothing goes up forever.  Not to mention WoW had a few dips before it exploded and even now is proof that all games face down trends.

It's a little off topic, but I was wondering how you type with your hands over your eyes and fingers in your ears?  Seems like it would be hard to do.

Originally posted by killion81

Originally posted by kcypher2000

Originally posted by Souldrainer

I have been saying for months that the population decline needed proof.  Well, here it is.  1.2 was a flop!  Where does SWTOR go from here?

I am predicting that Tera will also have a population decline and so will GW2 if they counted subs....  Then again every mmo has a decline because nothing goes up forever.  Not to mention WoW had a few dips before it exploded and even now is proof that all games face down trends.

 

It's a little off topic, but I was wondering how you type with your hands over your eyes and fingers in your ears?  Seems like it would be hard to do.

Nice try at an insult but you still haven't made any kind of point at all.  Oh i get it you are just one of those whiny gamers who hates anything popular.  I bet you never even tried SWTOR and just hate it because its the sheep like thing to do on these sites. 

Originally posted by kcypher2000

Originally posted by Souldrainer

I have been saying for months that the population decline needed proof.  Well, here it is.  1.2 was a flop!  Where does SWTOR go from here?

I am predicting that Tera will also have a population decline and so will GW2 if they counted subs....  Then again every mmo has a decline because nothing goes up forever.  Not to mention WoW had a few dips before it exploded and even now is proof that all games face down trends.

Perhaps, but hopefully Bioware will take notice of the major things people disliked about 1.2:

* Gear Changes

* Expensiveness of Legacy rewards

* Sweeping rebalance of classes

*  Decreased Time-to-kill in PVP

I will be around to see what happens come 1.3 at least.  I still have a lot of fun playing, but BW needs to reflect on this drop in subs or they will be sunk.

Originally posted by Souldrainer

I have been saying for months that the population decline needed proof.  Well, here it is.  1.2 was a flop!  Where does SWTOR go from here?

Merge some goddamn servers for one thing. Should have been done months ago seeing as how there were always too many to begin with.

Actually put forth some serious effort into the lfg mechanics. That should have also been done months ago.

Try to organize some community events for those still playing and incorporate some things in game for this.

Get some new management.

Really there is only so much they can do. The game is what it is. It just appears for some it isn't going to be a long term deal. Given enough time though with some future updates if they keep at it and actually put an effort into trying to build a player community they could be fine. Nothing stellar but certainly not a failure like some think. I don't know though. They did so little in this game to try and have one to begin with. Not sure what the hell they were thinking.

Originally posted by Souldrainer

Originally posted by kcypher2000

Originally posted by Souldrainer

I have been saying for months that the population decline needed proof.  Well, here it is.  1.2 was a flop!  Where does SWTOR go from here?

I am predicting that Tera will also have a population decline and so will GW2 if they counted subs....  Then again every mmo has a decline because nothing goes up forever.  Not to mention WoW had a few dips before it exploded and even now is proof that all games face down trends.

Perhaps, but hopefully Bioware will take notice of the major things people disliked about 1.2:

* Gear Changes

* Expensiveness of Legacy rewards

* Sweeping rebalance of classes

*  Decreased Time-to-kill in PVP

I will be around to see what happens come 1.3 at least.  I still have a lot of fun playing, but BW needs to reflect on this drop in subs or they will be sunk.

Expensiveness?  I think they are too cheap, do your dailies man money is too easy to come by in SWTOR.  I am not a fan of big changes to classes but as a veteran MMO player I have learned that comes with the territory.  Hell I can't think of an mmo that hasn't pulled this stunt before. 

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by Souldrainer

I have been saying for months that the population decline needed proof.  Well, here it is.  1.2 was a flop!  Where does SWTOR go from here?

Merge some goddamn servers for one thing. Should have been done months ago seeing as how there were always too many to begin with.

Actually put forth some serious effort into the lfg mechanics. That should have also been done months ago.

Try to organize some community events for those still playing and incorporate some things in game for this.

Get some new management.

Really there is only so much they can do. The game is what it is. It just appears for some it isn't going to be a long term deal. Given enough time though with some future updates if they keep at it and actually put an effort into trying to build a player community they could be fine. Nothing stellar but certainly not a failure like some think. I don't know though. They did so little in this game to try and have one to begin with. Not sure what the hell they were thinking.

Do you guys even play the game?  LFG is fine, you broadcast you get a group, just like every other mmo before dungeon finders took out that scary chat aspect need in massively multiplayer games.  Rakghoul plague was a community event that brought a lot of gamers on and got them working together. 

What end game content are you looking for?  It has pvp it has raids, heroics?  What do you people expect now?  This is my primary complaint about SWTOR naysayers, it seems like you people hate ALL mmos because these problems of grinding, and repetitive end game content are universal in the genre. 

Originally posted by kcypher2000

Do you guys even play the game?  LFG is fine, you broadcast you get a group, just like every other mmo before dungeon finders took out that scary chat aspect need in massively multiplayer games.  Rakghoul plague was a community event that brought a lot of gamers on and got them working together. 

 

What end game content are you looking for?  It has pvp it has raids, heroics?  What do you people expect now?  This is my primary complaint about SWTOR naysayers, it seems like you people hate ALL mmos because these problems of grinding, and repetitive end game content are universal in the genre. 

Do you? Because there has only been like how many threads and complaints about the lfg mechanics from the word "go". Get a clue. The current setup is awful and hardly anyone uses it. This has only been said countless times by countless players. The lower the server population and the worse their feeble tool works.

Rakghoul was one event. One. It is a step in the right direction but you need a lot more than that.

The PvP in this game is awful. Or was it so awesome that is why they have essentially scrapped Ilum? The rest still needs work.

I have always told people this game is worth checking out. Just warned many that it may not be a long term investment. Don't believe me? Read over my posts.

Pull your head out of your rear and realize not everyone that speaks of the negatives of this game is a hater or naysayer.

How does EA get away with providing two different documents that say the 1.3 million number is either for Mar 31 or Apr 30?  Which is it?  That number did not remain constant for a month, especially when they admitted they lost 400k over the previous quarter.  This also doesn't jibe with Erickson's claim that the subs were basically unchanged from 1.7 million.  Their statements simply do not add up.

On a side note I do not think SWTOR is perfect, I just think alot of the hatred seems unfounded and most complaints seem totally unfounded for an mmo fan, considering my take of SWTOR is that it played it safe by copying all the conventions done in other mmos like WoW and has done them well.  The only innovative aspect is the emphasis on story. 

I really wonder what you complainers like then?  Name an mmo that you are enjoying now.  Cause I have played them all and most share a lot of similar mechanics with SWTOR.