Originally posted by insanejosh

Some people really need to learn how to read.

Most people are going to be selling and buying Equipment on the RMAH. The only time you are being hit with 30% is on Commodities. The only Commodities I really see selling on the RMAH is Gems.

Also, what the hell is with all the QQ? You are selling items, maybe you need maybe you dont, that just cost you time playing a game you enjoy and you get to make a little cash. Hell its a win win situation.

If you don't understand why they get this percent or why they charge this amount, you need to go take some business courses and learn that not everything is free.

 

For Equipment (weapons, armor, accessories, and other unique items)

• Transaction Fee (Gold Auction House): 15% of final sale price
• Transaction Fee (Real-Money Auction House): $1.00 USD per item / $1.00 AUD per item
• Transfer Fee (when sending proceeds to PayPal or other authorized payment-service provider): 15% of amount being transferred

 

For Commodities (gems, materials, dyes, pages, recipes, and other non-unique items)

• Transaction Fee (Gold Auction House): 15% of final sale price
• Transaction Fee (Real-Money Auction House): 15% of final sale price
• Transfer Fee (when sending proceeds to PayPal or other authorized payment-service provider): 15% of amount being transferred

 

 

 

 

Pretty sure its YOU who needs to learn how to read.

Your first fact wrong is that weapons and armor sell for $1.00 flat rate fee and only if sold.. Any other STACKABLE item is charged 15% fee on the RMAH and that everything sells at a price.

Even if you got that right.. you failed at the entire topic of this post.. These fee's do NOT discourage outside sales whatsoever, and that was the whole point of this system, and I also think you should go view the youtube panels, where the VIP of online tech, is constantly stating the entire point of the auction house is to COMBAT outside selling and to keep prices chargead from BLIZZARD as low as possible..

30% is not as low as possible.. its nowhere even near a LOW statement.. 15% would be TOP debatable. and that would not be LOW.

30% is LUDICROUS

Originally posted by borkenvideo

Originally posted by insanejosh

Some people really need to learn how to read.

Most people are going to be selling and buying Equipment on the RMAH. The only time you are being hit with 30% is on Commodities. The only Commodities I really see selling on the RMAH is Gems.

Also, what the hell is with all the QQ? You are selling items, maybe you need maybe you dont, that just cost you time playing a game you enjoy and you get to make a little cash. Hell its a win win situation.

If you don't understand why they get this percent or why they charge this amount, you need to go take some business courses and learn that not everything is free.

 

For Equipment (weapons, armor, accessories, and other unique items)

• Transaction Fee (Gold Auction House): 15% of final sale price
• Transaction Fee (Real-Money Auction House): $1.00 USD per item / $1.00 AUD per item
• Transfer Fee (when sending proceeds to PayPal or other authorized payment-service provider): 15% of amount being transferred

 

For Commodities (gems, materials, dyes, pages, recipes, and other non-unique items)

• Transaction Fee (Gold Auction House): 15% of final sale price
• Transaction Fee (Real-Money Auction House): 15% of final sale price
• Transfer Fee (when sending proceeds to PayPal or other authorized payment-service provider): 15% of amount being transferred

 

 

 

 

Pretty sure its YOU who needs to learn how to read.

Your first fact wrong is that weapons and armor sell for $1.00 flat rate fee and only if sold.. Any other STACKABLE item is charged 15% fee on the RMAH and that everything sells at a price.

Even if you got that right.. you failed at the entire topic of this post.. These fee's do NOT discourage outside sales whatsoever, and that was the whole point of this system, and I also think you should go view the youtube panels, where the VIP of online tech, is constantly stating the entire point of the auction house is to COMBAT outside selling and to keep prices chargead from BLIZZARD as low as possible..

30% is not as low as possible.. its nowhere even near a LOW statement.. 15% would be TOP debatable. and that would not be LOW.

30% is LUDICROUS

 

It's not 30% it's 27.75% for stackables (1 - 1 * .15 = .85, .85 - .85 * .15 = 0.7225, 1 - 0.7225 = .2775 or 27.75%)

For equipment it could be more or less then that percent depending on the price.

It discourages it because it will be easier and less risky then ebay or an asian sweat shop.  Also not few are willing to risk being ban to ebay thier stuff, while far more will be willing to buy and sell if it's legal.

And it's still better then GW2 cash shop.

Originally posted by borkenvideo

Originally posted by insanejosh

Some people really need to learn how to read.

Most people are going to be selling and buying Equipment on the RMAH. The only time you are being hit with 30% is on Commodities. The only Commodities I really see selling on the RMAH is Gems.

Also, what the hell is with all the QQ? You are selling items, maybe you need maybe you dont, that just cost you time playing a game you enjoy and you get to make a little cash. Hell its a win win situation.

If you don't understand why they get this percent or why they charge this amount, you need to go take some business courses and learn that not everything is free.

 

For Equipment (weapons, armor, accessories, and other unique items)

• Transaction Fee (Gold Auction House): 15% of final sale price
• Transaction Fee (Real-Money Auction House): $1.00 USD per item / $1.00 AUD per item
• Transfer Fee (when sending proceeds to PayPal or other authorized payment-service provider): 15% of amount being transferred

 

For Commodities (gems, materials, dyes, pages, recipes, and other non-unique items)

• Transaction Fee (Gold Auction House): 15% of final sale price
• Transaction Fee (Real-Money Auction House): 15% of final sale price
• Transfer Fee (when sending proceeds to PayPal or other authorized payment-service provider): 15% of amount being transferred

 

 

 

 

Pretty sure its YOU who needs to learn how to read.

Your first fact wrong is that weapons and armor sell for $1.00 flat rate fee and only if sold.. Any other STACKABLE item is charged 15% fee on the RMAH and that everything sells at a price.

Even if you got that right.. you failed at the entire topic of this post.. These fee's do NOT discourage outside sales whatsoever, and that was the whole point of this system, and I also think you should go view the youtube panels, where the VIP of online tech, is constantly stating the entire point of the auction house is to COMBAT outside selling and to keep prices chargead from BLIZZARD as low as possible..

30% is not as low as possible.. its nowhere even near a LOW statement.. 15% would be TOP debatable. and that would not be LOW.

30% is LUDICROUS

 

How much does apple get when you sell an app in their appstore?

Originally posted by borkenvideo

So we find out new tidbits today about the Diablo 3 Auction House and fee structure.

Two interesting new facts get released to us.

1. The max you can sell any item for is $250.00

More stupidness, if your account goes over $250.00 battle funds, you have to cash it out if you want to do more transactions..

Thus, forcing you to pay fee's and get tracked, and whatnot, and mostly not be able to play any sort of Foriegn Exchange games.

2. 100,000,000,000 gold is the most you can sell at a time.

I guess this means that 100,000,000,000 gold = $250 right now... Kinda sad.

 

More problems, 15% to sell it, and 15% to cash it out.. Means, I think most people will be dealing outside this RMAH system that is suppose to stop people from going outside and getting scammed.. Great job Blizzard, you say one thing and do another...Sorry no way can I justify 15% cash out... I'm a bit peev'd at these announcements today... Nothing this system does is for us, its all been a sham. The only winners here is Blizzard. Because they will force it outside and probably ban and clean up outside forces to keep the economy in check for their internal gains.... So much for the player... Last minute bs explained to cover their asses, trying to sneak it by us lol.

 

Not true, but way to jump to conclusions!

You won't have to as you won't build your RMAH balance above $15 with that attitude.

IMO you must really hate your day job (or don't have one?) if you are going to try and make money off of D3.  It certainly is NOT the project entropia investments we have seen.

Originally posted by dubyahite
So, about the 15% thing. If you want to make $10 from an item for some reason, post it for $11.50. Boom.

Another problem solved with basic math.

The 15% on an item transaction is absorbed by the buyer. The 15% on the withdrawal is absorbed by the seller.

It's simple. In a cash shop there is no seller. The company makes all the money. This way Blizzard is ensuring that they can make money off their "cash shop" and they want to make money off the sellers as well.

Either way, if you are a seller, it's not likethey are charging you money out of your pocket. You are making money off a freaking video game for crying out loud. It's 100% profit for you.

First world freaking problems much?



Also your assumption that the gold cap = the real money cap is just silly. You have nothing to base that on and it's going to be completely incorrect.

So just so you know, If you wanted to make $10 and some one is taking 15% you would have to sell the item for $11.77. Simple math is not so simple.

Seriously though, 30% as OP stated which everyone seems to be ignoring is a hefty sum and the supposive reason for this is to get rid of gold farmer. This will not stop farmers, it will make them look like more of a value. If I sell an item for what would be 10 dollars profit at 30% being taken away, I would have to sell the item for $14.29. If a professional farmer wants to sell this item he will sell it for 10 dollars. Do you want to pay the extra $4.29 bucks to buy it from me? or save the $4.29? I think you just answered your own question!

Just so no one gets lost: 11.5 * 0.15 = 1.725

11.5 - 1.725 =9.775

9.775 =/= 10

i think my favorite part of this post is when he said

I guess this means that 100,000,000,000 gold = $250 right now... Kinda sad.

because every person in there right mind knows that 1 person will set the tone for the value of 250$ meaning if i feel that 1,000,000 is 250 dollars and everyone agress well then guess what that is the curve and it will be over and under cut its all about finding the sweet spot if u CHOOSE to farm or sell more that is your doing on placing such low value on your gold. but rest assure that it will be based on the rate in which asians farm that ish.

as for the 15% sell and cash out for a whoopin 30% sorta well that is business there giving u a free game to make money off of and ur complaining about how much u can make ....honestly do i need to say anything else.

not proof reading sorry for sp.

Originally posted by Killsmallchi

Originally posted by dubyahite
So, about the 15% thing. If you want to make $10 from an item for some reason, post it for $11.50. Boom.

Another problem solved with basic math.

The 15% on an item transaction is absorbed by the buyer. The 15% on the withdrawal is absorbed by the seller.

It's simple. In a cash shop there is no seller. The company makes all the money. This way Blizzard is ensuring that they can make money off their "cash shop" and they want to make money off the sellers as well.

Either way, if you are a seller, it's not likethey are charging you money out of your pocket. You are making money off a freaking video game for crying out loud. It's 100% profit for you.

First world freaking problems much?



Also your assumption that the gold cap = the real money cap is just silly. You have nothing to base that on and it's going to be completely incorrect.

So just so you know, If you wanted to make $10 and some one is taking 15% you would have to sell the item for $11.77. Simple math is not so simple.

Seriously though, 30% as OP stated which everyone seems to be ignoring is a hefty sum and the supposive reason for this is to get rid of gold farmer. This will not stop farmers, it will make them look like more of a value. If I sell an item for what would be 10 dollars profit at 30% being taken away, I would have to sell the item for $14.29. If a professional farmer wants to sell this item he will sell it for 10 dollars. Do you want to pay the extra $4.29 bucks to buy it from me? or save the $4.29? I think you just answered your own question!

Just so no one gets lost: 11.5 * 0.15 = 1.725

11.5 - 1.725 =9.775

9.775 =/= 10

It's 27.75% not 30%

14.29 * 0.85 * 0.85 = 10.325

13.84 * 0.85 * 0.85 = 10

Also anything > 0

Originally posted by borkenvideo

So we find out new tidbits today about the Diablo 3 Auction House and fee structure.

Two interesting new facts get released to us.

1. The max you can sell any item for is $250.00

More stupidness, if your account goes over $250.00 battle funds, you have to cash it out if you want to do more transactions..

Thus, forcing you to pay fee's and get tracked, and whatnot, and mostly not be able to play any sort of Foriegn Exchange games.

2. 100,000,000,000 gold is the most you can sell at a time.

I guess this means that 100,000,000,000 gold = $250 right now... Kinda sad.

 

More problems, 15% to sell it, and 15% to cash it out.. Means, I think most people will be dealing outside this RMAH system that is suppose to stop people from going outside and getting scammed.. Great job Blizzard, you say one thing and do another...Sorry no way can I justify 15% cash out... I'm a bit peev'd at these announcements today... Nothing this system does is for us, its all been a sham. The only winners here is Blizzard. Because they will force it outside and probably ban and clean up outside forces to keep the economy in check for their internal gains.... So much for the player... Last minute bs explained to cover their asses, trying to sneak it by us lol.

 

   Who cares you or me or anyone else who is a normal player isn't gonna make a dime to begin with give it a week or 2 and the asians will be in a pricing war with each other and selling stuff for 2 cents

Originally posted by TGSOL

You make a good point about this potentially failing to kill the illegal third-party market; why sell at the AH when you have to pay Blizzard twice if you can sell it outside the RMH and get 100% of the profit?

 

Your average user will not likely go this route, but then this system was (supposedly) never designed to deter the "average user" from selling wares illegally; it was meant to deter actual farmers, and it is those very people who are most likely to look at this system and say "why sell it in the RMH when we can just do things like we've always done and earn 100% of the profit?"

How exactly do you plan to sell third party? You can't do it alone, well you can try ebay if you want and hope your listing doesn't get banned. You can try other sites and hope you don't get scammed. The costs are almost the same and you deal with getting scammed.. the choice is obvious for a single person. The only way anyone could do this illegally at any benefit is in a large group, who will eventually get banned several times.

Also buyers will buy from the RMAH, why? because they won't get scammed.

Either way why is this an argument? It is against the ToS.

Originally posted by borkenvideo

Originally posted by Emeraq

30% is 30 cents on the dollar. Take a 10 dollar sale as an example, with a listing fee of one dollar and the 30% on a 10 dollar sale you are still turning a profit of 6 dollars, which for you is what? 600% profit? The item you sold cost you zero. (NO you can't count what you paid for the box as cost, as it's a game you are playing, you'd probably play it without the RMT)

Here's the math, they get one dollar for the listing, and 30% of $10 is 3.00. $10-$4= 6.00

You are making money for something that you don't own, something that isn't real, something that doesn't exist anywhere but in a video game....  Can we cry anymore over hobby time money?

 

You're not understanding the point of the Diablo 3 RMAH has always been promoted as to stop the outside exchange, the scamming, the fraud, etc. This percentage is not going to help stop that, in fact at these rates, I think a billion asians are estatic that they will soon be in business.

I will not be buying gold or items, this means nothing to me, but I can clearly use common sense to know that any kid and his money will be buying 150,000 gold for $10 instead of 135,000 gold for $17.55 on the Blizzard system..

 Are the prices on gold and items fixed by Blizzard? It was my understanding that we can list items at whatever price we want... So if a gold farmer sells 150,000 gold for 10, undercut it and sell the same amount for 9.  Yeah, you the seller, aren't making 10, you aren't even making 9, but the point is you ARE making something.  Something > 0 

Originally posted by Aori

Originally posted by TGSOL

You make a good point about this potentially failing to kill the illegal third-party market; why sell at the AH when you have to pay Blizzard twice if you can sell it outside the RMH and get 100% of the profit?

 

Your average user will not likely go this route, but then this system was (supposedly) never designed to deter the "average user" from selling wares illegally; it was meant to deter actual farmers, and it is those very people who are most likely to look at this system and say "why sell it in the RMH when we can just do things like we've always done and earn 100% of the profit?"

How exactly do you plan to sell third party? You can't do it alone, well you can try ebay if you want and hope your listing doesn't get banned. You can try other sites and hope you don't get scammed. The costs are almost the same and you deal with getting scammed.. the choice is obvious for a single person. The only way anyone could do this illegally at any benefit is in a large group, who will eventually get banned several times.

Also buyers will buy from the RMAH, why? because they won't get scammed.

Either way why is this an argument? It is against the ToS.

This.  Blizzard's RMAH will work even with the high fees because the buyer doesn't want to be scammed.  Will people still buy from other place sure, but most people will buy from the AH.   Just like most people will buy a console from gamestop or best buy and not out of some guy's truck in an empty parking lot.

Originally posted by dubyahite
@killsmall

I'm not going to buy from gold farmer sites ever. Period. So yeah it doesn't matter what people are selling for.

Yeah my math was off, but so is yours. A another poster pointed out it not 30%, it's 27.75.

The point of my post was about passing the transaction fee on to the buyer. I doubt you will be able to pass the withdrawal fee on them too. If you read my post you would know that.

The point is that the buyer should eat the transaction fee. If sellers are smart the market will allow for this.

And of course this doesn't apply to items such as weapons and armor as those are a flat $1 fee.

Either way, it doesn't really matter. We are talking about getting paid for virtual items in a damn video game. If I can make a few extra bucks doing something I do for entertainment then it doesn't matter if they take a cut. It's a freaking game. Get over it.

Why do you assume we are against the Auction House?

(tinfoil)I starting to believe everyone who brings up this point to get over the fact Blizzard is taking their cut is a Blizzard Corporate troll who was expecting this... (/tinfoil)

Originally posted by Emeraq

Originally posted by borkenvideo

Originally posted by Emeraq

30% is 30 cents on the dollar. Take a 10 dollar sale as an example, with a listing fee of one dollar and the 30% on a 10 dollar sale you are still turning a profit of 6 dollars, which for you is what? 600% profit? The item you sold cost you zero. (NO you can't count what you paid for the box as cost, as it's a game you are playing, you'd probably play it without the RMT)

Here's the math, they get one dollar for the listing, and 30% of $10 is 3.00. $10-$4= 6.00

You are making money for something that you don't own, something that isn't real, something that doesn't exist anywhere but in a video game....  Can we cry anymore over hobby time money?

 

You're not understanding the point of the Diablo 3 RMAH has always been promoted as to stop the outside exchange, the scamming, the fraud, etc. This percentage is not going to help stop that, in fact at these rates, I think a billion asians are estatic that they will soon be in business.

I will not be buying gold or items, this means nothing to me, but I can clearly use common sense to know that any kid and his money will be buying 150,000 gold for $10 instead of 135,000 gold for $17.55 on the Blizzard system..

 Are the prices on gold and items fixed by Blizzard? It was my understanding that we can list items at whatever price we want... So if a gold farmer sells 150,000 gold for 10, undercut it and sell the same amount for 9.  Yeah, you the seller, aren't making 10, you aren't even making 9, but the point is you ARE making something.  Something > 0 

Oh so you want to debate? Heres some real world stuff for ya..

Economics... If 35% of all gold is sold OFFLINE in 3rd Party market, thats 35% sales less on the RMAH, which means DECREASED PRICED INCOME FOR YOU as sellers have to DROP prices to compete against the offline sellers who are offering LOTS MORE for LOTS LESS... This creates deflation, and it makes buyers cautious and also teaches them against impulse sales, as they speculate and shop before buying... Bottom line.. it costs you... probably in the amount of 15% once your price drops that low...it wont matter as much...

If Blizzard drops the price 10%, that brings back 35% outside sales down to about 10%, makes it harder to sell outside because you have security, and then they make even more because of the LOST DEFLATION

Thats economics... Learn it.. love it.. Charging 30% is going to blow up in their face...

Originally posted by Drakxii

This.  Blizzard's RMAH will work even with the high fees because the buyer doesn't want to be scammed.  Will people still buy from other place sure, but most people will buy from the AH.   Just like most people will buy a console from gamestop or best buy and not out of some guy's truck in an empty parking lot.

Heres the thing that none of you are considering.

You are all acting as if these 3rd party sites are 100% shady.  If they were so shady then how have they made so much profit?  They have no reason to steal your credit card information because then you will not go back to them.  They have every reason to be just as good as Blizzard.

Also these "shady" websites are already established.  I don' t know of any because I don't buy in game items but I do know people that have, and they bought a lot of stuff and never got banned nor scammed.  The in game Item selling market is already there.  Its already establish.  Its already safe for those that use it often.

Tell me are those that already buy gold/items from 3rd party sites going to spend extra money on something they know they can get from a 3rd party site for cheaper?

Blizzard is going to have a hard time forcing people to go through their avenue of selling items vrses someone elses.  Thier EULA does not protect them from most laws in court.  Espeically because its forced to accept.

Originally posted by onlinenow25

Originally posted by Drakxii

This.  Blizzard's RMAH will work even with the high fees because the buyer doesn't want to be scammed.  Will people still buy from other place sure, but most people will buy from the AH.   Just like most people will buy a console from gamestop or best buy and not out of some guy's truck in an empty parking lot.

 

Heres the thing that none of you are considering.

 

You are all acting as if these 3rd party sites are 100% shady.  If they were so shady then how have they made so much profit?  They have no reason to steal your credit card information because then you will not go back to them.  They have every reason to be just as good as Blizzard.

 

Also these "shady" websites are already established.  I don' t know of any because I don't buy in game items but I do know people that have, and they bought a lot of stuff and never got banned nor scammed.  The in game Item selling market is already there.  Its already establish.  Its already safe for those that use it often.

 

Tell me are those that already buy gold/items from 3rd party sites going to spend extra money on something they know they can get from a 3rd party site for cheaper?

 

Blizzard is going to have a hard time forcing people to go through their avenue of selling items vrses someone elses.  Thier EULA does not protect them from most laws in court.  Espeically because its forced to accept.

For a buyer they can risk going 3rd party, yes even from established websites you can get burned. You will eventually get banned and even more so now more than ever. It is illegal and you will get banned, don't think you won't.

As for the selling 3rd party, you can't just join D2buyer.com and expect to sell shit at no cost if at all. Any website that does something illegal is shady, don't try and legitimize an illegal operation.

You can not profit off a company using that companys resources without their consent. If you don't like the rules don't play the game.