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General Discussion  » SWTOR subs dip from 1.7 Million to 1.3

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  Precusor

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5/07/12 9:16:11 PM#121
Originally posted by Berikai

This game is nowhere near profitable atm,maybe years end,but not now.To think it is show's who's uninformed amirite?They may have about 120 mill back right now.People seem to think a $60 box sale = $60 to EA/Bio and it's lucky to be half that.Or should I say 1/10?

They pretty much made their money back from their box sales.

  Blackwater56

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5/07/12 9:16:24 PM#122
Originally posted by Precusor
 
Star Wars: The Old Republic‘s extended development cycle doesn’t seem to have had an impact on EA’s profit expectations; the MMO is still expected to be in the green should it reach only 500,000 subscribers, the publisher has reiterated.
 
At 1 million subscribers it would be “a business that makes good money on an on-going basis” CEO John Riccitiello said during the company’s earnings call yesterday.
 
Anything above 1 million, however, and it’ll start to look like “a great investment.”

Yeah.... Thanks?

  Precusor

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5/07/12 9:17:34 PM#123
Originally posted by Blackwater56

Because this is a very importent time for gaming. With indie developers showing up like crazy, we finally have a chance to have a world without companies like EA. But for every blind fanboy who gives them money, were one more person away from seeing them purged

How does EA affect the indi-development?

  NeoZcar2

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5/07/12 9:18:52 PM#124

So just the numerical layout for a bit of controvercy..... Bioware/EA claims 1.3 million subs across 215 servers worldwide.... That is roughly 6050 accounts per server.... Where are all these people. Seems kinda odd that most independant studies place server populations between 400 - 800 on low pop servers, 800 - 1300 people on average servers, and 1500 - 2000 on high population servers like The Fatman.

  Blackwater56

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5/07/12 9:21:08 PM#125
Originally posted by Precusor
Originally posted by Blackwater56

Because this is a very importent time for gaming. With indie developers showing up like crazy, we finally have a chance to have a world without companies like EA. But for every blind fanboy who gives them money, were one more person away from seeing them purged

How does EA affect the indi-development?

By buying those companies and then gutting them

  Quesa

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5/07/12 9:21:32 PM#126
Originally posted by NeoZcar2

So just the numerical layout for a bit of controvercy..... Bioware/EA claims 1.3 million subs across 215 servers worldwide.... That is roughly 6050 accounts per server.... Where are all these people. Seems kinda odd that most independant studies place server populations between 400 - 800 on low pop servers, 800 - 1300 people on average servers, and 1500 - 2000 on high population servers like The Fatman.

Lol, "independant studies".

  killion81

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5/07/12 9:22:20 PM#127
Originally posted by Precusor
Originally posted by Blackwater56
Originally posted by Precusor
Originally posted by Blackwater56

Considering EA said anything under 1 million subs isn't very profitable, I would say no one is envious of SWTOR right now.

 

Expect heads to roll once this free month is over 

Wrong again.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/star-wars-the-old-republic-needs-only-500k-subscribers-ea-6297338

 

"[But] anything north of 1 million subscribers is a very profitable business."

 

 
 
Star Wars: The Old Republic‘s extended development cycle doesn’t seem to have had an impact on EA’s profit expectations; the MMO is still expected to be in the green should it reach only 500,000 subscribers, the publisher has reiterated.
 
At 1 million subscribers it would be “a business that makes good money on an on-going basis” CEO John Riccitiello said during the company’s earnings call yesterday.
 
Anything above 1 million, however, and it’ll start to look like “a great investment.”

 

If they continue to lose about 23.5% of their subs per quarter, the game is going to drop under 500k sometime during Q1 2013.  That's assuming it doesn't drop significant amounts when the 3 month and 6 month subscriptions finally expire.

 

I suppose it's possible that sub numbers stabilize and even go up.  Of course, it's also possible that Earth will experience world peace in the near future... "possible" doesn't mean either are likely.

  Distopia

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5/07/12 9:23:27 PM#128
Originally posted by Blackwater56
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Blackwater56
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Because this is a very importent time for gaming. With indie developers showing up like crazy, we finally have a chance to have a world without companies like EA. But for every blind fanboy who gives them money, were one more person away from seeing them purged

So you're getting angry at someone not giving them money?

I'm not angry at you though....

It seemd you were :P. But cool, it's all good then :).

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  Precusor

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5/07/12 9:24:04 PM#129
Originally posted by Blackwater56

By buying those companies and then gutting them

 EA is buying up MMo indie dev companies.. when did this start?

  Precusor

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5/07/12 9:25:55 PM#130
Originally posted by killion81

 

If they continue to lose about 23.5% of their subs per quarter, the game is going to drop under 500k sometime during Q1 2013.  That's assuming it doesn't drop significant amounts when the 3 month and 6 month subscriptions finally expire.

 

I suppose it's possible that sub numbers stabilize and even go up.  Of course, it's also possible that Earth will experience world peace in the near future... "possible" doesn't mean either are likely.

Not too long ago people claimed Swtor will go f2p by this time.

  Teala

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5/07/12 9:25:57 PM#131
Originally posted by Blackwater56
Originally posted by Myria
Originally posted by GamerFun

The game is dying [...]

1.3 million paying customers, making it easily the second largest western MMO, is... Dying?

Because, you know, it's not like newly released MMOs typically lose subscribers after a few months.

They sold 2.3 million copies. They have 1.3 million subs.

 

THEY LOST 1 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS IN FOUR MONTHS....

HELLO?!

ANYONE THERE MAVERICK?!

Actually it is worse than that considering all the accounts they reactivated for their free month.

  Blackwater56

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5/07/12 9:26:09 PM#132
Originally posted by Precusor
Originally posted by Blackwater56

By buying those companies and then gutting them

 EA is buying up MMo indie dev companies.. when did this start?

Eventually those companies will get published, just like Bioware did. Everything will be great until a company like EA comes along, buy them, fired half the staff, and milks their franchises.

  Distopia

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5/07/12 9:26:37 PM#133
Originally posted by NeoZcar2

So just the numerical layout for a bit of controvercy..... Bioware/EA claims 1.3 million subs across 215 servers worldwide.... That is roughly 6050 accounts per server.... Where are all these people. Seems kinda odd that most independant studies place server populations between 400 - 800 on low pop servers, 800 - 1300 people on average servers, and 1500 - 2000 on high population servers like The Fatman.

Well only a certain percentage are going to be on at any given time. Hmm Fatman still healthy? Wonder how many bloodfiners are still there.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

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  Precusor

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5/07/12 9:27:47 PM#134
Originally posted by Teala

Actually it is worse than that considering all the accounts they reactivated for their free month.

I think you needed an active account to get the free month.

  Distopia

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5/07/12 9:30:18 PM#135
Originally posted by Precusor
Originally posted by Teala

Actually it is worse than that considering all the accounts they reactivated for their free month.

I think you needed an active account to get the free month.

They had an opt in reactivation for like 7 days as well, question is how many actually did that... No one here knows.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  Axehilt

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5/07/12 9:31:33 PM#136
Originally posted by Berikai

This game is nowhere near profitable atm,maybe years end,but not now.To think it is show's who's uninformed amirite?They may have about 120 mill back right now.People seem to think a $60 box sale = $60 to EA/Bio and it's lucky to be half that.Or should I say 1/10 to you Axe?

Simple math regarding box sales and modeling a harsh decline (losing 30% subs per month) showed $200mm revenue in like 4 months after launch.  Literally the only unknowns were retail store profit margins (which are said to be quite small, and certainly aren't 50% MSR) and ongoing post-launch run rate.

The link posted in this very thread is EA itself pointing out how profitable the game is with 1.3mm players.

Feel free to keep your arbitrary, hastily-drawn opinion with no basis in facts.  Meanwhile I'll crunch numbers with experience having actually produced games and worked closely with the product managers running them -- and discover the game is profitable independantly even before the EA link confirmed it ("profitable at 500k subscribers" is just about where my uber-conservative numbers crunch put the game 4-5 months out...at which point it became profitable.)

  BeansnBread

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5/07/12 9:31:35 PM#137
Originally posted by Precusor
Originally posted by Blackwater56

By buying those companies and then gutting them

 EA is buying up MMo indie dev companies.. when did this start?

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. But here is some info on EA aquisitions. You can decide for yourself whether some of these companies are indie. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Electronic_Arts

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  Precusor

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5/07/12 9:32:53 PM#138
Originally posted by Blackwater56

Eventually those companies will get published, just like Bioware did. Everything will be great until a company like EA comes along, buy them, fired half the staff, and milks their franchises.

Who needs a publisher when you can just sell the mmo on steam,

  Precusor

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5/07/12 9:33:38 PM#139
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by Precusor
Originally posted by Blackwater56

By buying those companies and then gutting them

 EA is buying up MMo indie dev companies.. when did this start?

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. But here is some info on EA aquisitions. You can decide for yourself whether some of these companies are indie. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Electronic_Arts

Were talking about MMos.

  BeansnBread

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5/07/12 9:35:24 PM#140
Originally posted by Precusor
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by Precusor
Originally posted by Blackwater56

By buying those companies and then gutting them

 EA is buying up MMo indie dev companies.. when did this start?

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. But here is some info on EA aquisitions. You can decide for yourself whether some of these companies are indie. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Electronic_Arts

Were talking about MMos.

Oh, right. You were. The other guy wasn't. He was talking about them buying up indie game developers.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

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