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5/07/12 8:59:10 PM#101
Originally posted by RizelStar What MMO since WOW hasn't lost a number of subs within the first few months? It's a well known trend that many more will buy an MMO these days than those who actually stick around. AS for 6 month subs, those numbers are neither here nor there, we don't know them. Where they stop bleeding who knows, but I'm sorry 1.3 mil however you slice it is a decent number for those still around. I liked the game and I could barely make it past january. Multiplying 1 mil by 15 a month, for 3 months is 45,000,000 and they have had more subs than that, that's not even including 2mil units sold at varying prices starting at $60. That's a crap ton of money in the first few months. For the health of the service that's pretty darn good. For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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5/07/12 9:01:03 PM#102
Originally posted by Blackwater56 WHat they said was they can maintain with 500k, you never answered my question from before though. How does this free month effect those numbers if the report is from just a few days later? Most accounts would most likely still be active regardless. For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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5/07/12 9:01:39 PM#103
Originally posted by Greyhooff Not sure what that dude was bitching about. |
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5/07/12 9:01:40 PM#104
Originally posted by Distopia EvE online Guild Wars 1 Planetside...
You seem to be proving our point that WoWclones will always fail by either: A) Not living up to expectation or B) Dying completley |
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5/07/12 9:02:23 PM#105
Originally posted by Blackwater56 Wrong again. |
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5/07/12 9:02:24 PM#106
Originally posted by Blackwater56 My fault, I thought you meant the link in the OP, so yes, I most definitely missed that! My understanding for the free month was that it was to any 50 or any legacy level 6 who was under subscription as of a certain date OR who resubbed by a certain date, and for those that resubbed they would tack on the extra 30 days at the end of their paid month. This is the offer I received at least. I didn't take them up on it, but you didn't just "get it automatically" you had to already be subbed or be willing to resub. So it would make sense that it would be close to the same amount of subs before the promo than after. Maybe some who hadn't had a sub would be swayed at the prospect of getting a free month for resubbing, but I have a feeling more were like me and passed believing that there just wasn't 2 months worth of additional content. |
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5/07/12 9:04:20 PM#107
Originally posted by Distopia Dude, fucking Warhammer is "maintaining" with 2000 subscribers, if that. Still running doesn't always mean not dead.
And I think it's funny that the attitude toward SWTOR went like this SWTOR is announced: "WoW KILLER!" December 2011: "It's still growing!" One month laster: "Well it's stable" Now: "T-they can s-still maintain with 1.3 million!" |
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5/07/12 9:04:35 PM#108
Originally posted by Distopia That's a good question, I must ask though what MMO after WoW went upwards after the first few months? 1.3 is a good number, but like I said good number but not direction. I believed Aion at a point in time had 1 mill subs and few others hit it, didn't Warhammer it that or was it 800K? Number is good, direction isn't no matter the slice unfortunately. I don't know it might be the fact I don't look at now moments in many things, I do considered I.E like for example GW2 cash shop isn't p2w nor looks to be p2w. The possibility is still there though, but you know to call it p2w [now] is absurd. So 1.3 subs is good as of right now, but the direction if it keeps going isn't. I believe that's what people are getting at, I hope people don't think 1.3 is a bad number though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns-IIn-DG-c Try to argue this please. Oh also if you quote me and it's to argue my point, if I don't respond it means I haven't been corrected by you and/or I haven't seen it. Remember I don't mind admitting I am in the wrong. Take care :D |
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5/07/12 9:06:18 PM#109
Originally posted by Blackwater56 Why are you getting so angry? For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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5/07/12 9:06:22 PM#110
Originally posted by Blackwater56 Yeah obviously whatever slip-up required a free month wouldn't make EA happy. But even with that, unless they haven't ramped down their team to Live Mode, there's no chance they haven't broke even unless there's some insane ad budget going on (which may be...the ad spend probably wasn't included in the $200mm value.) And yeah, WAR was also profitable. I just like pointing out when games are profitable so that crazy, uninformed players (not you) are a tiny bit less likely to make uninformed statements in the future. |
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5/07/12 9:06:31 PM#111
1.3 million subs and how much is it to pay for a month? It's expected for some games to loose subs after a while, especially when they can't live up to the hype. Think about how much money they made from box sales and how much money they still will be making a month and see if any of this is important. Hell, 500k subs at what 10-15 bucks a month is still good. they made back their overall investement and then some, and will profit. You invest little so that your margin of profit will always be larger. They pumped out a crud game and people feel had. It's called the American market.
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5/07/12 9:06:58 PM#112
Originally posted by Precusor http://www.gamespot.com/news/star-wars-the-old-republic-needs-only-500k-subscribers-ea-6297338
"[But] anything north of 1 million subscribers is a very profitable business." |
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5/07/12 9:09:14 PM#113
Originally posted by Blackwater56 EVE is from 2002 before WOW, planetside 03, GW1 no subs.... For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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5/07/12 9:10:49 PM#114
Originally posted by Distopia Because this is a very importent time for gaming. With indie developers showing up like crazy, we finally have a chance to have a world without companies like EA. But for every blind fanboy who gives them money, were one more person away from seeing them purged |
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5/07/12 9:12:15 PM#115
Originally posted by Vorthanion I always heard that SW doesn't sell well in asian, but that just what I heard. I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less. |
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5/07/12 9:12:27 PM#116
More like 500k subs. That free month give away is the mother of al PRs Remember Rift's "trial servers"? this is even better. Poor investors... they are eating outright lies and they probably don't have a clue of whats really happening.
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5/07/12 9:13:03 PM#117
Originally posted by Blackwater56 So you're getting angry at someone not giving them money? For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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5/07/12 9:13:31 PM#118
Originally posted by Axehilt This game is nowhere near profitable atm,maybe years end,but not now.To think it is show's who's uninformed amirite?They may have about 120 mill back right now.People seem to think a $60 box sale = $60 to EA/Bio and it's lucky to be half that.Or should I say 1/10 to you Axe? |
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5/07/12 9:14:09 PM#119
Originally posted by Distopia I'm not angry at you though.... |
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5/07/12 9:14:46 PM#120
Originally posted by Blackwater56
Star Wars: The Old Republic‘s extended development cycle doesn’t seem to have had an impact on EA’s profit expectations; the MMO is still expected to be in the green should it reach only 500,000 subscribers, the publisher has reiterated.
At 1 million subscribers it would be “a business that makes good money on an on-going basis” CEO John Riccitiello said during the company’s earnings call yesterday.
Anything above 1 million, however, and it’ll start to look like “a great investment.”
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