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General Discussion  » Estimated Price of Diablo 3 Gold and other RMAH FACTS

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  BeansnBread

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5/07/12 9:28:01 PM#21

I tend to think people will pay a premium in order to feel safe about their purchases.

 

Could outside sellers sell items for less? Sure. But if it means I have to pay $1.50 extra to Blizzard to do it legally, I will.

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  borkenvideo

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OP  5/07/12 9:28:10 PM#22
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by dubyahite
I'll try to be more clear about this.

The 15% sale fee is going to be absorbed by the buyer.

The 15% withdrawal fee is going to be absorbed by the seller.

Noone is going to get hit with 30% fee unless they are a really bad seller.

Like if they bought their own item? :P

The guy is on drugs, if i sell gold, i get charged by blizzard 15%, then i cash out that money, i get charged 15%. He's like a CPA, thats how you go broke and they get rich...

  Chrisbox

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5/07/12 9:28:53 PM#23

Its not making the game P2W so doesn't bother me.

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  dead2soon

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5/07/12 9:29:46 PM#24

If the original intent was to protect customers involved in RMT it's clear that greed has gotten in the way of that goal. As usual we'll all just point in the direction of Activi$ion.

  borkenvideo

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OP  5/07/12 9:30:01 PM#25
Originally posted by colddog04

I tend to think people will pay a premium in order to feel safe about their purchases.

 

Could outside sellers sell items for less? Sure. But if it means I have to pay $1.50 extra to Blizzard to do it legally, I will.

Legally? Its not illegal, regardless of what these companies try to claim to do this outside... :D With proper wording anyhow.

 

 

  Slampig

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5/07/12 9:30:03 PM#26
Originally posted by borkenvideo

So we find out new tidbits today about the Diablo 3 Auction House and fee structure.

Two interesting new facts get released to us.

1. The max you can sell any item for is $250.00

More stupidness, if your account goes over $250.00 battle funds, you have to cash it out if you want to do more transactions..

Thus, forcing you to pay fee's and get tracked, and whatnot, and mostly not be able to play any sort of Foriegn Exchange games.

2. 100,000,000,000 gold is the most you can sell at a time.

I guess this means that 100,000,000,000 gold = $250 right now... Kinda sad.

 

More problems, 15% to sell it, and 15% to cash it out.. Means, I think most people will be dealing outside this RMAH system that is suppose to stop people from going outside and getting scammed.. Great job Blizzard, you say one thing and do another...Sorry no way can I justify 15% cash out... I'm a bit peev'd at these announcements today... Nothing this system does is for us, its all been a sham. The only winners here is Blizzard. Because they will force it outside and probably ban and clean up outside forces to keep the economy in check for their internal gains.... So much for the player... Last minute bs explained to cover their asses, trying to sneak it by us lol.

 

Might just be me, but I have a feeling they didn't design this with you quitting your job and "playing" D3 full time to make a living... And really, you are upset over there being a $250 limit? I don't nkow, but if someone gave me $250 for selling freaking polygons, I would be kind of stoked...

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  BeansnBread

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5/07/12 9:30:59 PM#27
Originally posted by borkenvideo
Originally posted by colddog04

I tend to think people will pay a premium in order to feel safe about their purchases.

 

Could outside sellers sell items for less? Sure. But if it means I have to pay $1.50 extra to Blizzard to do it legally, I will.

Legally? Its not illegal, regardless of what these companies try to claim to do this outside... :D With proper wording anyhow.

Well, then without threat of getting banned.

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  Rusque

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5/07/12 9:31:40 PM#28
Originally posted by Emeraq

30% is 30 cents on the dollar. Take a 10 dollar sale as an example, with a listing fee of one dollar and the 30% on a 10 dollar sale you are still turning a profit of 6 dollars, which for you is what? 600% profit? The item you sold cost you zero. (NO you can't count what you paid for the box as cost, as it's a game you are playing, you'd probably play it without the RMT)

Here's the math, they get one dollar for the listing, and 30% of $10 is 3.00. $10-$4= 6.00

You are making money for something that you don't own, something that isn't real, something that doesn't exist anywhere but in a video game....  Can we cry anymore over hobby time money?

So few people seem to see it this way.

What other business (hobby business or otherwise) can you create in which your cost of business is $0 while earning 60% profit margin on all sales.

And anyone who cites their time as the cost of business, in this particular case your time is free because the RMAH is pure bonus as you would be playing anyway.

Now, if you happen to get sick of D3 and don't want to play it at all, but you play it because it's your source of income, THEN your time becomes labor cost.

  Derpybird

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5/07/12 9:33:17 PM#29
Originally posted by dubyahite
I'll try to be more clear about this.

The 15% sale fee is going to be absorbed by the buyer.

The 15% withdrawal fee is going to be absorbed by the seller.

Noone is going to get hit with 30% fee unless they are a really bad seller.

If I sell something on the RMAH I get charged either $1 for an item or 15% for commodities as the seller

I get "paid" in battle.net dollars which can only be used on Blizz products and services.

If I want to see actual cash, then I pay another 15% "transaction fee" to Blizz/Paypal (though we do not know the split on this).

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/services/auction-house/how-to#fees

 

So I believe your assessment is incorrect.

"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.

  borkenvideo

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OP  5/07/12 9:34:44 PM#30
Originally posted by Slampig
Originally posted by borkenvideo

So we find out new tidbits today about the Diablo 3 Auction House and fee structure.

Two interesting new facts get released to us.

1. The max you can sell any item for is $250.00

More stupidness, if your account goes over $250.00 battle funds, you have to cash it out if you want to do more transactions..

Thus, forcing you to pay fee's and get tracked, and whatnot, and mostly not be able to play any sort of Foriegn Exchange games.

2. 100,000,000,000 gold is the most you can sell at a time.

I guess this means that 100,000,000,000 gold = $250 right now... Kinda sad.

 

More problems, 15% to sell it, and 15% to cash it out.. Means, I think most people will be dealing outside this RMAH system that is suppose to stop people from going outside and getting scammed.. Great job Blizzard, you say one thing and do another...Sorry no way can I justify 15% cash out... I'm a bit peev'd at these announcements today... Nothing this system does is for us, its all been a sham. The only winners here is Blizzard. Because they will force it outside and probably ban and clean up outside forces to keep the economy in check for their internal gains.... So much for the player... Last minute bs explained to cover their asses, trying to sneak it by us lol.

 

Might just be me, but I have a feeling they didn't design this with you quitting your job and "playing" D3 full time to make a living... And really, you are upset over there being a $250 limit? I don't nkow, but if someone gave me $250 for selling freaking polygons, I would be kind of stoked...

You might be stoked, but when johnny asian is selling the "Sword of Diablo's Death enchantment" for $500 outside the AH only, and you want it.. Let's see what happens :D Get ready to get scammed... Limits create fraud. We learned this 10 years ago.

 

  dubyahite

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5/07/12 9:34:54 PM#31
"The guy is on drugs, if i sell gold, i get charged by blizzard 15%, then i cash out that money, i get charged 15%. He's like a CPA, thats how you go broke and they get rich..."


You are the "bad seller" I was talking about.

If you don't pass on the 15% transaction fee to your buyers then you are dumb.

Like I said, if I want to make $10 off an item, I sell it for $11.50. Again, basic math.

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  Derpybird

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5/07/12 9:35:32 PM#32
Originally posted by Chrisbox

Its not making the game P2W so doesn't bother me.

How is this not P2W when it comes to PvP?

"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.

  dubyahite

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5/07/12 9:38:04 PM#33
@charlizzard.

Again, you would be a "bad seller"

Pass those fees on to your buyers. Build the fees into your auctions. Problem solved.

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  Derpybird

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5/07/12 9:38:10 PM#34
Originally posted by dubyahite
"The guy is on drugs, if i sell gold, i get charged by blizzard 15%, then i cash out that money, i get charged 15%. He's like a CPA, thats how you go broke and they get rich..."


You are the "bad seller" I was talking about.

If you don't pass on the 15% transaction fee to your buyers then you are dumb.

Like I said, if I want to make $10 off an item, I sell it for $11.50. Again, basic math.

If I sell an item for $11.50, Blizz takes $1 and they give me $10.50 in Battle.net credit.

If I want to cash out, they take another 15%

That leaves me with $8.93 and Blizz with $1.57.

Basic math?

 

Blizz managed to create a revenue stream from a B2P game, it's amazing.

"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.

  Ausare

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5/07/12 9:40:08 PM#35
I think your chance of getting your item sold will be a lot higher on blizzards ah than some 3rdkind party site. More people will be exposed to blizzards ah and feel much better w about spending. Look at eve...you can get more for you cash from third parties but the risk dissuades people. If blizzard watchs and removes 3rd party bought stuff no one will use them.
  BeansnBread

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5/07/12 9:40:20 PM#36
Originally posted by dubyahite
@charlizzard.

Again, you would be a "bad seller"

Pass those fees on to your buyers. Build the fees into your auctions. Problem solved.

 

The market is competitive. You don't just get to "choose" your price and actually get it. The price is determined by supply and demand, not an arbitrary number you make up.

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  Slampig

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5/07/12 9:40:50 PM#37
Originally posted by borkenvideo
Originally posted by Slampig
Originally posted by borkenvideo

So we find out new tidbits today about the Diablo 3 Auction House and fee structure.

Two interesting new facts get released to us.

1. The max you can sell any item for is $250.00

More stupidness, if your account goes over $250.00 battle funds, you have to cash it out if you want to do more transactions..

Thus, forcing you to pay fee's and get tracked, and whatnot, and mostly not be able to play any sort of Foriegn Exchange games.

2. 100,000,000,000 gold is the most you can sell at a time.

I guess this means that 100,000,000,000 gold = $250 right now... Kinda sad.

 

More problems, 15% to sell it, and 15% to cash it out.. Means, I think most people will be dealing outside this RMAH system that is suppose to stop people from going outside and getting scammed.. Great job Blizzard, you say one thing and do another...Sorry no way can I justify 15% cash out... I'm a bit peev'd at these announcements today... Nothing this system does is for us, its all been a sham. The only winners here is Blizzard. Because they will force it outside and probably ban and clean up outside forces to keep the economy in check for their internal gains.... So much for the player... Last minute bs explained to cover their asses, trying to sneak it by us lol.

 

Might just be me, but I have a feeling they didn't design this with you quitting your job and "playing" D3 full time to make a living... And really, you are upset over there being a $250 limit? I don't nkow, but if someone gave me $250 for selling freaking polygons, I would be kind of stoked...

You might be stoked, but when johnny asian is selling the "Sword of Diablo's Death enchantment" for $500 outside the AH only, and you want it.. Let's see what happens :D Get ready to get scammed... Limits create fraud. We learned this 10 years ago.

 

Haha, nice try. The last thing you are going to see me doing is dropping $500 on a fucking polygon. Unlike some people, I know that money can be used to a greater purpose elsewhere, like groceries, bills, gas for the car etc... That's something I learned 10 years ago...

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  insanejosh

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5/07/12 9:42:01 PM#38

Some people really need to learn how to read.

Most people are going to be selling and buying Equipment on the RMAH. The only time you are being hit with 30% is on Commodities. The only Commodities I really see selling on the RMAH is Gems.

Also, what the hell is with all the QQ? You are selling items, maybe you need maybe you dont, that just cost you time playing a game you enjoy and you get to make a little cash. Hell its a win win situation.

If you don't understand why they get this percent or why they charge this amount, you need to go take some business courses and learn that not everything is free.

 

For Equipment (weapons, armor, accessories, and other unique items)

  • Transaction Fee (Gold Auction House): 15% of final sale price
  • Transaction Fee (Real-Money Auction House): $1.00 USD per item / $1.00 AUD per item
  • Transfer Fee (when sending proceeds to PayPal or other authorized payment-service provider): 15% of amount being transferred

 

For Commodities (gems, materials, dyes, pages, recipes, and other non-unique items)

  • Transaction Fee (Gold Auction House): 15% of final sale price
  • Transaction Fee (Real-Money Auction House): 15% of final sale price
  • Transfer Fee (when sending proceeds to PayPal or other authorized payment-service provider): 15% of amount being transferred
 
 
 
 
  borkenvideo

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OP  5/07/12 9:49:15 PM#39
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by dubyahite
@charlizzard.

Again, you would be a "bad seller"

Pass those fees on to your buyers. Build the fees into your auctions. Problem solved.

 

The market is competitive. You don't just get to "choose" your price and actually get it. The price is determined by supply and demand, not an arbitrary number you make up.

He's probably a bean counter that doesnt even use the average ticket sale in his equation to profits..

Gotta love them guys, Some dude told me, that to save the $150 a day I lose to Ebays new june 1st rule, to raise my prices by 25 cents per auction and I will actually profit.... if i followed his amazing free advice and my sales stayed the same, i would only lose $129.00 per day... Thanks there mr bean counter.. how come you have no store and only 3 ebay feedback BTW? is what i asked him... (He failed to see the $89.00 average item price into the equation, considered me to be selling some cell phone skins or something at $2.99 lol, and thinks that the numbers will stay the same regardless of item sold.)

As I always say.. most are all talk, lets see the obvious come next month... wont be for a while, they stated RMAH wont happen till a week or more after launch, and im guessing that will be delayed....

 

 

  dubyahite

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5/07/12 9:50:29 PM#40
" If I sell an item for $11.50, Blizz takes $1 and they give me $10.50 in Battle.net credit.
If I want to cash out, they take another 15%
That leaves me with $8.93 and Blizz with $1.57.
Basic math?
 
Blizz managed to create a revenue stream from a B2P game, it's amazing."


Well I was just talking about the seller passing the transaction fee to the buyer and eating the cash out fee. This is going to happen.

Oh an about the b2p thing, sounds familiar, maybe like everybody darling Guild Wars 2? Only You don't get to make money off a traditional cash shop. You just lose money.

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