Originally posted by Mardukk

I don't care what the numbers say.  Log into the game, the servers are dead.  Look at the populations on the planets, down at least 50% since launch. 

 

If their numbers are correct there are a lot of people paying a sub and never logging in.

Happens in all MMOs.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2986509135

the way it is TOR will have less than 1m subs soon... gw2 comming... tsw.... d3....

We all know the free month give away and waht not is the only reason theyare saying they have 1. whatever subs.    Idoubt they have even 500k real subs at the moment and how many of those are 6 month subs that don't even play any longer?

Originally posted by Monorosso

Originally posted by kartool

I guess all the people who said it would be f2p after 6 months better update their hyperbole.

More like eradicate this incredibly dumb prediction altogether. Game is not going F2P for a very long time, if ever, at this rate.

Tis a bold claim to make either way.

If SWTOR drops subs by the end of the year, it will go F2P. EA have already implied that the F2P model had been considered and planned for, but that they felt the game was "worth" a subscription. If it isn't, what do you think they'll do?

Do you think they'll look at LotRo, Guild Wars 2 and other games and go, "naah... not worth the 700% increases in profit margins"?

REALLY?!

Originally posted by SoulOfRaziel

the way it is TOR will have less than 1m subs soon... gw2 comming... tsw.... d3....

Totally different games  and neither of the 2 has sub charge.

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by SoulOfRaziel

the way it is TOR will have less than 1m subs soon... gw2 comming... tsw.... d3....

Totally different games  and neither of the 2 has sub charge.

Are you implying that the release of those two games will have no effect on SWTOR sub numbers?

Originally posted by colddog04

Are you implying that the release of those two games will have no effect on SWTOR sub numbers?

Why would they effect swtor sub numbers? 

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by SoulOfRaziel

the way it is TOR will have less than 1m subs soon... gw2 comming... tsw.... d3....

Totally different games  and neither of the 2 has sub charge.

Are you implying that the release of those two games will have no effect on SWTOR sub numbers?

He is simply correctly stating that even if they play less during the initial launch window of certain b2p games are, since two of those new games dont require a sub, they are less likely to permanently drop a sub as they are not dropping it in favor of anything else. We have seen this with WoW for years and years.

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by colddog04

Are you implying that the release of those two games will have no effect on SWTOR sub numbers?

Why would they effect swtor sub numbers? 

Because people will stop playing SWTOR to play the other games and then cancel their sub because they aren't playing SWTOR.

People start playing another game.

People stop playing SWTOR.

People cancel sub because they are not playing SWTOR.

I thought that was a pretty straightforward concept.

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by Mardukk

I don't care what the numbers say.  Log into the game, the servers are dead.  Look at the populations on the planets, down at least 50% since launch. 

 

If their numbers are correct there are a lot of people paying a sub and never logging in.

Happens in all MMOs.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2986509135

Agreed, but it's too early in the game for such a decline.  Yes, even new games will have fluctuations, but they should end up with a net gain at this stage of the cycle.  You'd expect that kind of decline well into the second year of a game.  The anecdotal evidence of lower numbers when people log in can be misleading on many levels and due to different factors, but Mardukk is obvioiusly using hyperbole when he states a 50% decline when he has absolutely no concrete proof.  In fact, If I were to go with his kind of data gathering, when I logged in a couple of weeks ago and started a baby bounty hunter, the instance never had less than 17 people.  That may not seem like much, but when I logged in and started my first toon, an agent, that was the exact number of people in the instance back on release week.  So, you can see that because it's an instanced game and because one faction is more populated than another and depending on the server you are on and at what time of day and which day of the week.....etc, you can come up with all kinds of conclusions that would be absolutely wrong in the greater picture.

Originally posted by Precusor

EA spent around 100 million to developed SWTOR and they got all that money back from their box sales.

citation needed.

(although I'm not sure what source I'd actually believe at this point given how many competing claims I've seen posted)

Wonder if all those "loyal" fans that got a free month is in these numbers or not.  I still say they will be under 500k after Aug, 7 month mark with the free month.

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by Mardukk

I don't care what the numbers say.  Log into the game, the servers are dead.  Look at the populations on the planets, down at least 50% since launch. 

 

If their numbers are correct there are a lot of people paying a sub and never logging in.

Happens in all MMOs.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2986509135

Huh? I'm a "Standard" server and if it's lost this many people that should be of great concern to EA/Bioware.  This is not a case of me being on the only dead server, go look at the server list.

Whatever, if you have people trying to defend the game at this point they may just be defending it to defend it.

They gave everyone a free month and STILL couldn't stop it from dropping 25%?

How is that even possible?

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by colddog04

Are you implying that the release of those two games will have no effect on SWTOR sub numbers?

Why would they effect swtor sub numbers? 

Can people just stop with this myth that "no sub means it won't effect other games"?

That's absolute bullshit

League of Legends has taken more WoW players than any other game in history.

People don't quit WoW for Skyrim because Skyrim is a single player game, not because it's free to play.

Now piss off with this terrible lie.

Originally posted by Blackwater56

Can people just stop with this myth that "no sub means it won't effect other games"?

That's absolute bullshit

 

League of Legends has taken more WoW players than any other game in history.

People don't quit WoW for Skyrim because Skyrim is a single player game, not because it's free to play.

 

Now piss off with this terrible lie.

Yore kidding.. right?

Originally posted by Myria

Originally posted by GamerFun

The game is dying [...]

1.3 million paying customers, making it easily the second largest western MMO, is... Dying?

Because, you know, it's not like newly released MMOs typically lose subscribers after a few months.

They sold 2.3 million copies. They have 1.3 million subs.

THEY LOST 1 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS IN FOUR MONTHS....

HELLO?!

ANYONE THERE MAVERICK?!

Originally posted by Vorthanion

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by Mardukk

I don't care what the numbers say.  Log into the game, the servers are dead.  Look at the populations on the planets, down at least 50% since launch. 

 

If their numbers are correct there are a lot of people paying a sub and never logging in.

Happens in all MMOs.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2986509135

Agreed, but it's too early in the game for such a decline.  Yes, even new games will have fluctuations, but they should end up with a net gain at this stage of the cycle.  You'd expect that kind of decline well into the second year of a game.  The anecdotal evidence of lower numbers when people log in can be misleading on many levels and due to different factors, but Mardukk is obvioiusly using hyperbole when he states a 50% decline when he has absolutely no concrete proof.  In fact, If I were to go with his kind of data gathering, when I logged in a couple of weeks ago and started a baby bounty hunter, the instance never had less than 17 people.  That may not seem like much, but when I logged in and started my first toon, an agent, that was the exact number of people in the instance back on release week.  So, you can see that because it's an instanced game and because one faction is more populated than another and depending on the server you are on and at what time of day and which day of the week.....etc, you can come up with all kinds of conclusions that would be absolutely wrong in the greater picture.

Lol yes, everyone is in an instance or has switched factions that's it!  My concrete proof are my eyes looking at the number as I've logged in every night since launch...

Originally posted by Teala

We all know the free month give away and waht not is the only reason theyare saying they have 1. whatever subs.    Idoubt they have even 500k real subs at the moment and how many of those are 6 month subs that don't even play any longer?

The subs were as of 3/31 they gave away the free month in april.

Originally posted by niceguy3978

Originally posted by Teala

We all know the free month give away and waht not is the only reason theyare saying they have 1. whatever subs.    Idoubt they have even 500k real subs at the moment and how many of those are 6 month subs that don't even play any longer?

The subs were as of 3/31 they gave away the free month in april.

Funny, when we said that about the December 31st report, all the fan boys kept saying "NAH BRO IT'S CURRENT!"

Make up your mind