I cant help but chuckle at the irony. The same people who used to tell EQ fans "The industry is changing. Deal with it or GTFO!" when expansions like LDoN came out, are now upset because its their game's turn to change and they dont like it.

The cycle continues.

This sounds so stupid. Seriously, if you are bored enough that you find yourself wanting to go through another dungeon for the nth time with inferior gear, log off the video game and go exercise, read a book, go outside, call up some friends, garden, walk the dog or something constructive other than something as asinine as trying to complete a dungeon as fast as you can with bad gear. 

The issue is that the only reward for doing them are the cosmetic sets.  This immediately limits the audience.  Then once you consider that there with bank space at a premium collecting all the outfits you can is pretty much out of the question, so people are only going to want to hang on to the really really really awesome outfits.  From what I have seen so far, only a couple classes have really awesome challenge sets.  That means you are likely only going to see a lot of people of the same class running these, and trying to get a balanced group together is going to be a challenge.  The problem is that since gear level is meaningless, having a balanced group is going to be pretty important, so it is going to be hard for the people who actually want to do this to get the groups to do it.

There are 2 things that have completely ruined any of my interests in 5man's:

* big assholes that in first sec just start running through instance causing wipe in next 10 secs

* players (mainly tanks)  with gear level of 9999999 that enter normal 5man or hc's, ruining completely any enjoyment for rest

Until Blizz is able to fix this somehow, they are not getting my money for sub after I have leveled all my 10 alts to max.

First step could be this idea of challenge mode, hopefully all that big as.... will go there.

Originally posted by Uronksur

This sounds so stupid. Seriously, if you are bored enough that you find yourself wanting to go through another dungeon for the nth time with inferior gear, log off the video game and go exercise, read a book, go outside, call up some friends, garden, walk the dog or something constructive other than something as asinine as trying to complete a dungeon as fast as you can with bad gear. 

 

I totally agree with this.

I am still one of the old fashioned players who enjoys hanging out in the world more than in dungeons. I think that the paragraph on the WoW pizza might be a little misconstrued because it is clear that a lot of MoP material is of course the new areas.

It does seem though that a lot of the newer features are based around instances, and though it can be fun to have lots of minigames, it is sad that Blizzard does not concentrate even more on what made WoW originally great in many peoples' eyes: the world itself. After all, it is World of Warcraft....

Challenge Mode is the single best addition to WoW coming in MoP, in my opinion. It will not cater to majority of players. To do good here you will need a perfect 5man setup. However that's not a huge issue since you can start doing challenges with your quest gear, there is no need to gear up. I see myself running challenge modes with a hardcore group of 5, most likely playing on another character than my main, just so we can have the very best setup. Really looking forward to this one.

Originally posted by MurlockDance

I am still one of the old fashioned players who enjoys hanging out in the world more than in dungeons. I think that the paragraph on the WoW pizza might be a little misconstrued because it is clear that a lot of MoP material is of course the new areas.

It does seem though that a lot of the newer features are based around instances, and though it can be fun to have lots of minigames, it is sad that Blizzard does not concentrate even more on what made WoW originally great in many peoples' eyes: the world itself. After all, it is World of Warcraft....

 

Amen. I'm always out and about in the world. F sitting in town.

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

I can already see the major flaw with the system.  It will only encourage the "perfect" class makeup to run the instance.

 

And this is different how? They are just doing it in a different way.

Originally posted by Zeprimus

I think Blizzard is on to something with these 'mini-games'; the entire industry is starting to realize the popularity of the pick-up and play gaming that comes from Facebook, phones, etc, and there needs to be more of that within an MMO now to be a financial giant.

The author simply doesn't understand that other MMOs (before WoW) had a LARGE amount of things to do.  Not all of which were there for everyone.  Challenge mode dungeons are not only an additional activity added to the game.  They server 2 other major purposes for the MoP expansion.  1) They bring together the server community.  Challenge Mode dungeons will be for groups made on the server (or Bnet friend's lists).  These are not for the LFD tool (at least in the beginning).  These dungeons are there to fill the gaping hole left when the LFD tool was added.

and 2) Because of the nature of the "removal" of gear being a factor with these dungeons, Blizzard has finally found a way to keep dungeon's relevant throughout the entirety of an expansion cycle.  In Classic they did this with resistance gear and reputation requirements.  In TBC we saw similar ideals with the addition of heroic badges.  In Wrath and Cata we saw a removal of a large portion of the gear grind with the addition of second and third tier dungeons designed to quickly elevate player gear levels to the level of new raids.  Combine this with the much quicker and streamlined design of dungeons that appeared in both late Wrath and late Cataclysm, you end up with people having no desire to participate in this content.  By removing the gear grind and making it about skill and knowledge they have created "challenging" content that will continue to be challenging through the entire lifespan of the expansion.

 

 

Does anyone play this game anymore?

servers are pretty full.