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  Gdemami

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5/07/12 9:05:41 AM#41


Originally posted by deathshroud

 The truth is that TES is a huge multi million selling franchise, Bethesda are great at making a TES style game. They know little about making an mmo, they are making a game they know little about simply because all they see is $ signs. But the issue here is they are no longer making a TES game, they are no longer making a game they have built into a multi million dollar behemoth. They are making a wow clone and like all imitators to WOW's crown. It will end badly Just like all the previous MMOs. Thier goal is to either release the game and cash in for the first 2 months of release as mcuh as they can (12o hours of gameplay??) and then let the game fade out of existance esentially fooling the fans into paying money for the game. Or they are looking to closely at WOW and zenimax think that TES makes alot of money so it should make alot of money as an mmo. porblem is it isnt going to beat WOW at its own game.
 
What they needed to do was, make TES into a TES mmo. not TES into a WOW mmo. When all the fans of TES were beging for multiplayer or an mmo version they werent thinking of WOW. but Zenimax obviously were.
 
No wonder the original TES developers steered clear of this.


Too bad you are not reading posts you reply to...

  SEANMCAD

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5/07/12 10:27:05 AM#42
Originally posted by Distopia

 It seems whenever I (or others) offer an opinion that isn't negative toward the game, there is a bombardment of responses to the tune of "but this isn't what I want from a TES MMO". Why should my opinion be based on what you want from a TES MMO?

Along with that there are also a number of responses that will sing a tune of "idiocy" because a poster isn't up in arms about things like TAB targetting, classes, etc.. Why should I care about others being sick of those things? Why should I want change if I actually prefer some of those things in an MMO (excluding class based, I do prefer skill based)?

Worst of all are those who don't understand the difference between withholding judgment, and being a sheep with wool over eye. WIthholding judgement means a person wants to see the whole picture, before offering a verdict. This is the complete opposite of the latter.

 I just want to know why people think their opinion should be held by everyone, and people are mindless drones if they don't share it? Is it just trolling or what?

 

 

 

 

you right, they should make a speed racing game MMO with clowns and trailer parks and call it TES MMO who is to say thats not right just because its not like you expect?, besides its there money and they can do what they please and if you dont like it you can create you own.

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  Gdemami

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5/07/12 10:31:33 AM#43


Originally posted by SEANMCAD

you right, they should make a speed racing game MMO with clowns and trailer parks and call it TES MMO who is to say thats not right just because its not like you expect?, besides its there money and they can do what they please and if you dont like it you can create you own.

Despite I guess you meant it as irony, it is very much spot on.

  Distopia

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OP  5/07/12 10:36:35 AM#44
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by Distopia

 It seems whenever I (or others) offer an opinion that isn't negative toward the game, there is a bombardment of responses to the tune of "but this isn't what I want from a TES MMO". Why should my opinion be based on what you want from a TES MMO?

Along with that there are also a number of responses that will sing a tune of "idiocy" because a poster isn't up in arms about things like TAB targetting, classes, etc.. Why should I care about others being sick of those things? Why should I want change if I actually prefer some of those things in an MMO (excluding class based, I do prefer skill based)?

Worst of all are those who don't understand the difference between withholding judgment, and being a sheep with wool over eye. WIthholding judgement means a person wants to see the whole picture, before offering a verdict. This is the complete opposite of the latter.

 I just want to know why people think their opinion should be held by everyone, and people are mindless drones if they don't share it? Is it just trolling or what?

  

The irony of this post, it burns like 1000 exploding suns.

What irony is that? I didn't shun anyone for feeling a certain way, just asked why others do.

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  SEANMCAD

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5/07/12 10:38:03 AM#45
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by SEANMCAD

you right, they should make a speed racing game MMO with clowns and trailer parks and call it TES MMO who is to say thats not right just because its not like you expect?, besides its there money and they can do what they please and if you dont like it you can create you own.


 

Despite I guess you meant it as irony, it is very much spot on.

I know that is your logic. Thus in your universe anyone can do anything and call it anything and if someone else dosent like it they should not say not anything but instead make something as they think it should be.

over time as you apply that reasoning you will slowly start to notice how ridiculous  it is and then turn off your radio or TV. Or you will not and live the rest of your life in a logic conflict with reality.

 

cheers!

 

 

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  Distopia

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OP  5/07/12 10:42:38 AM#46
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

you right, they should make a speed racing game MMO with clowns and trailer parks and call it TES MMO who is to say thats not right just because its not like you expect?, besides its there money and they can do what they please and if you dont like it you can create you own.

Care to explain what this has to do with what I asked? I  didn't say there was a problem if you don't like what they're doing. Now do you have a problem with those who don't have an issue with what they're doing? If so, why? A reply toward that would be on topic.

 

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  GrumpyMel2

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5/07/12 10:48:07 AM#47
Originally posted by Distopia

 It seems whenever I (or others) offer an opinion that isn't negative toward the game, there is a bombardment of responses to the tune of "but this isn't what I want from a TES MMO". Why should my opinion be based on what you want from a TES MMO?

Along with that there are also a number of responses that will sing a tune of "idiocy" because a poster isn't up in arms about things like TAB targetting, classes, etc.. Why should I care about others being sick of those things? Why should I want change if I actually prefer some of those things in an MMO (excluding class based, I do prefer skill based)?

Worst of all are those who don't understand the difference between withholding judgment, and being a sheep with wool over eye. WIthholding judgement means a person wants to see the whole picture, before offering a verdict. This is the complete opposite of the latter.

 I just want to know why people think their opinion should be held by everyone, and people are mindless drones if they don't share it? Is it just trolling or what?

 

 

 

 

Distopia,

I don't believe many of us are actualy being critical of you having your own tastes/opinions and expressing them. You are free to like or dislike whatever you choose, and express the same. However, since this is an open forum...and we also have opinions/tastes...we are simply making it clear that we do not share your tastes and are disappointed by the direction the Developers decided to go.

I don't believe most people here are saying "Shut up you idiot, you have no right to like what Zenimax is doing."..... I believe most people instead are saying "Ok, that's your opinion....here's mine and it completely different from yours....just want to make that clear."

  SEANMCAD

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5/07/12 10:51:25 AM#48
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

you right, they should make a speed racing game MMO with clowns and trailer parks and call it TES MMO who is to say thats not right just because its not like you expect?, besides its there money and they can do what they please and if you dont like it you can create you own.

Care to explain what this has to do with what I asked? I  didn't say there was a problem if you don't like what they're doing. Now do you have a problem with those who don't have an issue with what they're doing? If so, why? A reply toward that would be on topic.

 

lets use a different example so that we can break free from the tunnel vision that is happening.

Let say we all live on a block and one of the neighboors is building a small go-cart track in their back yard for the neighboorhood kids (lets say this is all approved by the HOA). The only thing is the co-cart track is actually a swimming pool.

Why do you have a problem with the neighboors saying 'that is the crazyest idea ever, I have no plans on sending my kids to that house, they are friggin nuts'

 

 

we all know they can do whatever they want to, that is not the issue we are having. the issue we are having is that you think people should voice their opinions about it.

Correlation does not imply causation

  Gdemami

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5/07/12 10:55:23 AM#49


Originally posted by GrumpyMel2

I don't believe most people here are saying "Shut up you idiot, you have no right to like what Zenimax is doing."..... I believe most people instead are saying "Ok, that's your opinion....here's mine and it completely different from yours....just want to make that clear."

Why themepark, carebear, tab targeting combat, WoW, WoW-clone, questing etc., anything that is a taste of the mainstream gamer, gets such defamatory tone then? I do not believe it is my sensitive perception seeing it that way.


Then there is 2nd issue when posters have no respect to game developers. Saying that you do not like their product is fine, telling them how they should run their business is completely different tho...

  Sinaku

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5/07/12 10:58:05 AM#50


Originally posted by Distopia


Originally posted by jonrd463
The simple answer is that they're not you. They don't think like you, have the same tastes as you, or reason like you. In short, they're them. Don't take their expressions about the game personally. You don't have to accept how they feel about the game, just as they don't have to accept how you feel about it.
 
People are different. It's a concept that seems to escape the internet. A lot.


MY point went straight over your head didn't it? The whole point is they're doing just that, trying to make everyone think as they do. And do not understand people have different opinions.


I think you are the one forcing everyone to believe the way you do. Why can't others want change in MMOs? Why can't people be sick of the same rehash of crap they have been thrown for the last 7 or 8 years? People do have different opinions, there isn't a right or wrong one. Attacking people for what they want makes you no better than the people you are complaining about.

  Nephaerius

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5/07/12 11:00:26 AM#51

Putting all the things like tab targetting, hot bars, classes, etc. aside.  The game looks like it used the Hero engine or some version of it so every screen shot just basically looks like SWTOR with a fantasy skin.  I actually find it offensive because a game series has certain defining features and one of TES for me is graphically it looks a certain way.  Just one more instance of an IP getting run over.

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  Vesavius

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5/07/12 11:01:40 AM#52
Originally posted by DarkVagabond

This simply wont go anywhere and will be invariably closed as spam once someone hops in and starts spewing self-made-facts from their backside without accepting any information that opposes their view. As is customary with gaming forums.

 

I've got news for you... you are not in traffic, you ARE traffic.

 

  SEANMCAD

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5/07/12 11:03:45 AM#53
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by GrumpyMel2

I don't believe most people here are saying "Shut up you idiot, you have no right to like what Zenimax is doing."..... I believe most people instead are saying "Ok, that's your opinion....here's mine and it completely different from yours....just want to make that clear."


 

Why themepark, carebear, tab targeting combat, WoW, WoW-clone, questing etc., anything that is a taste of the mainstream gamer, gets such defamatory tone then? I do not believe it is my sensitive perception seeing it that way.


Then there is 2nd issue when posters have no respect to game developers. Saying that you do not like their product is fine, telling them how they should run their business is completely different tho...

I completely disagree. Time and time again companies of all shapes, sizes and various industries have proven themselves to be woefully idiotic and often at times out right dishonest if not criminally negligent.  The position they would all LOVE for you as a consumer to be in is ‘we know best, you don’t however to do so is to go against what it is to be a citizen of a community.
Even more so when they make ridiciously claims where there is evidence in the same market place that its simply untrue.
companies objective is to make money, even if it means liying to you which often can proove to be more profitable.
  

Correlation does not imply causation

  GrumpyMel2

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5/07/12 11:04:05 AM#54
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by GrumpyMel2

I don't believe most people here are saying "Shut up you idiot, you have no right to like what Zenimax is doing."..... I believe most people instead are saying "Ok, that's your opinion....here's mine and it completely different from yours....just want to make that clear."


 

Why themepark, carebear, tab targeting combat, WoW, WoW-clone, questing etc., anything that is a taste of the mainstream gamer, gets such defamatory tone then? I do not believe it is my sensitive perception seeing it that way.


Then there is 2nd issue when posters have no respect to game developers. Saying that you do not like their product is fine, telling them how they should run their business is completely different tho...

As a customer and participant in the Free Market System....how else are you supposed to express your preferences in hopes of seeing them reflected in the market place?  Telling someone "I don't like your product, I'm not going to buy it" ... isn't very informative as to WHY the product is not being well recieved by you...and letting anybody else know what sort of things you WOULD be interested in seeing in future products.

No one (unless they are shareholders) is telling them how to run thier business....they are free to run it into the ground, if they like..... what we are doing is telling them what they have to do IF they want to capture OUR business.... if they don't care to capture it, then I'll say the same thing I posted to TOR's Developers and STO's Developers ...." Good Luck with that, we'll see how it works out for you."

  Distopia

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OP  5/07/12 11:05:48 AM#55
Originally posted by GrumpyMel2

Distopia,

I don't believe many of us are actualy being critical of you having your own tastes/opinions and expressing them. You are free to like or dislike whatever you choose, and express the same. However, since this is an open forum...and we also have opinions/tastes...we are simply making it clear that we do not share your tastes and are disappointed by the direction the Developers decided to go.

I don't believe most people here are saying "Shut up you idiot, you have no right to like what Zenimax is doing."..... I believe most people instead are saying "Ok, that's your opinion....here's mine and it completely different from yours....just want to make that clear."

I didn't really say a lot of people are doing it, only that it's been recurring throughtout these threads. And more often than it usually does, seemingly anyway.

Some of you are simply giving your opinion and that's fine, not all are simply doing that though. Quite a few have been lashing out at follow posters simply because they don't agree. I've been on the receiving end a few times of long winded rants about my thought to withhold judgement. Some of those have implied I'm a blind sheep, when all I've said is I'll wait for more info. Not once have they explained what makes me a blind sheep, because I don't automatically assume the worst.

This is also aimed at those who say only the ignorant blind or dumb could possibly have a positive feeling about this game, and add things like you're the problem with this genre, etc.. etc...

 

 

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  Distopia

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OP  5/07/12 11:08:31 AM#56
Originally posted by Sinaku

 


I think you are the one forcing everyone to believe the way you do. Why can't others want change in MMOs? Why can't people be sick of the same rehash of crap they have been thrown for the last 7 or 8 years? People do have different opinions, there isn't a right or wrong one. Attacking people for what they want makes you no better than the people you are complaining about.

 

WHo attacked anyone here for what they want? I didn't say there's a problem with those who are sick of the stuff, I asked why those who attack others for not agreeing, attack those for not agreeing, why they just won't accept others don't share their view.

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  DAS1337

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5/07/12 11:11:19 AM#57
Originally posted by Distopia

 It seems whenever I (or others) offer an opinion that isn't negative toward the game, there is a bombardment of responses to the tune of "but this isn't what I want from a TES MMO". Why should my opinion be based on what you want from a TES MMO?

Along with that there are also a number of responses that will sing a tune of "idiocy" because a poster isn't up in arms about things like TAB targetting, classes, etc.. Why should I care about others being sick of those things? Why should I want change if I actually prefer some of those things in an MMO (excluding class based, I do prefer skill based)?

Worst of all are those who don't understand the difference between withholding judgment, and being a sheep with wool over eye. WIthholding judgement means a person wants to see the whole picture, before offering a verdict. This is the complete opposite of the latter.

 I just want to know why people think their opinion should be held by everyone, and people are mindless drones if they don't share it? Is it just trolling or what?

 

 

 

 

You do know where you are right?  This is a forum, I suggest that you accept the fact that people have differing opinions and we are all in a forum discussing how we feel. 

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OP  5/07/12 11:12:56 AM#58
Originally posted by DAS1337
Originally posted by Distopia

 It seems whenever I (or others) offer an opinion that isn't negative toward the game, there is a bombardment of responses to the tune of "but this isn't what I want from a TES MMO". Why should my opinion be based on what you want from a TES MMO?

Along with that there are also a number of responses that will sing a tune of "idiocy" because a poster isn't up in arms about things like TAB targetting, classes, etc.. Why should I care about others being sick of those things? Why should I want change if I actually prefer some of those things in an MMO (excluding class based, I do prefer skill based)?

Worst of all are those who don't understand the difference between withholding judgment, and being a sheep with wool over eye. WIthholding judgement means a person wants to see the whole picture, before offering a verdict. This is the complete opposite of the latter.

 I just want to know why people think their opinion should be held by everyone, and people are mindless drones if they don't share it? Is it just trolling or what?

 

 

 

 

You do know where you are right?  This is a forum, I suggest that you accept the fact that people have differing opinions and we are all in a forum discussing how we feel. 

DId I say anything toward how anyone feels? Did you read the post?

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  adam_nox

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5/07/12 12:40:11 PM#59

I'm sorry, but this "you don't speak for me" argument is nothing but a pointless distraction from any important discussion about the game.  It's completely irrelevant whether or not someone is speaking for you, speaking for the majority, trying to make others think the way they do, etc.  Completely.

 

People are simply, when it all boils down, voicing dissent and disgust.  If you don't like it, then don't read it, the end. 

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OP  5/07/12 1:02:39 PM#60
Originally posted by adam_nox

I'm sorry, but this "you don't speak for me" argument is nothing but a pointless distraction from any important discussion about the game.  It's completely irrelevant whether or not someone is speaking for you, speaking for the majority, trying to make others think the way they do, etc.  Completely.

 

People are simply, when it all boils down, voicing dissent and disgust.  If you don't like it, then don't read it, the end. 

Might want to read again?

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

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