Originally posted by Asheram

Originally posted by rpgalon

Originally posted by IPolygon

It doesn't matter if it is p2w for you. Pay2win has a defintion and by default definitions are meant for everyone. If you don't like to pay for something like that, it still doesn't make it p2w. If ammunition is that rare and takes up most of your slot as potions can be used to win a fight, then there's only the game design to blame.

if P2W had a True definition for everyone, you wouldn't see thousand of posts arguing what is P2W.

Anything that makes me feel forced to buy, I consider P2W. It does not need to do damage...

So buy your definition every pay to play game is pay to win as you are forced to pay a sub to play the game.

Yes Ash this is exactly what he is saying...

Pay to Win= buying monthy sub.

Exactly what he is saying.

Exactly.

Originally posted by kendaron

Originally posted by rpgalon

Originally posted by IPolygon

It doesn't matter if it is p2w for you. Pay2win has a defintion and by default definitions are meant for everyone. If you don't like to pay for something like that, it still doesn't make it p2w. If ammunition is that rare and takes up most of your slot as potions can be used to win a fight, then there's only the game design to blame.

if P2W had a True definition for everyone, you wouldn't see thousand of posts arguing what is P2W.

Anything that makes me feel forced to buy, I consider P2W. It does not need to do damage...

 

Have to agree with this. There is NO commonly accepted definition that everyone agrees with.. it all boils down to what you are prepared to put up with and where YOU personally draw the line

Pay 2 win means that you need to pay for it in order to stay in direct competition with other players. Not pay 2 win is pay for convenience or aesthetics. Convenience items are things like increased bag space/inventory space. It doesn't matter if everyone agrees with something or not, you cannot always twist and turn things the way how you like it or it would remove objectivity and common ground as the base of discussions.

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

Inventory management is a core mechanic in MMORPGs.

Having very little space and forced to destroy or drop stuff is annoying as you've earned the items you have.

This especially hit me in GW2 which has extremely low bag space and tons of items to mess around with.

Having bag space as an in-game thing shows signs that they aren't going crazy @$$ money grabbin mode for the CS.

This is one of the reasons i hate f2p games.  They create fustrations then sell (or rent) the solution.  inventory and warehouse space is an easy target for this mechanic.  It disgusts me to learn gw2 is b2p with an item mall, since buying bag space isnt a costume, deco pet, or account service (like xfers or name changes).  Best part is in f2p games they give you a ton of item mall goodies that are only usefull later and need to be stored somewhere long term, making the situation wose.

Having more than enough bag space is vital, i dont like having to choose things to rid, especially if they can be used down the road or i know other people who may need them.

In fact, i found Anarchy Online to have one of the best storage systems, giving you tons of space with the ability to put bags with more space in, making sorting easy.  It sounds like TSW will have the same, and the preview video where they explained crafting showed this.

Originally posted by bigsmiff

Originally posted by Oldsalt

A place to put your stuff can be the most valuable resource in a game. 

It is for me. I am a total packrat.

I am also an MMORPG Hoarder. I had dozens of cheap apartments in EQ2 just to hold all the furniture I planned to 'use later'. I was always afraid I'd log in one day and find my charactor dead and buried under an avalanche of fireplaces, festive tables, and kegs.

I created guilds for each toon in WoW, just to hold all the herbs I planned to 'someday' use for my scribe or alchemist, or my ores or cloths and leathers. I used to fill all my bag space with pets, back in the day, as well.

I could barely vendor a 'grey' without worrying that it was somehow useful to one toon or the other.

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Yeah, this is not surprising. Anarchy Online probably has the largest inventory available to any character in any MMO I've ever played. And it's immediately available from the start to free and paid accounts alike. It's never been an issue in that game, nor has it had any impact on the game's Cash Shop. I think games that intentionally limiting inventory space to a point where you cannot play the game without more unless it's paid for is a dirty trick and it is usually one that may not show up until you are well into the game. Perfect World was like this. They'd give you a quest that you could work in-game to increase your bank space, but it required so many items that you needed the bank space in order to complete the quest.

In this game where characters are expected to do heavy crafting, limiting the bag space would be an instant red flag to me. This is actually reassuring.

36 inventory space, 102 bank. And each of them can contain container for 21. You might need to leave few slot free but still...

138 * 21 = 2 898

So max space for one toon is nearly 2900 items.  To keep things usable leave it to 2700...

If it's anything near there I can live with it ;D

EDIT:

I think you can possibly gain a few more slots atleast 2 if you equíp the backpacks, then there is a item with even more slots, but it can't be used as backpack without bit of trickery. Also consider that backpacks are items and some of them very good ones... So yeah, a lot...