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  PancakeEffct

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OP  5/06/12 8:46:16 PM#1

 

Proof that ZeniMax is just making a copy and paste themepark WoW game to simply cash in and cash out. It goes against everything Elder Scrolls is about. A Elder Scrolls MMO is not bad for the series, but how it’s currently being done is. The technology IS there for them to make a true sandbox, FPV, Elder scrolls game, but hey simply don’t care about innovating.
 
If these dev companies that have like 5 employees and no money can do it, why can't  ZeniMax? The answer is simply they only care about money. Below are videos of THREE mmo games demonstrating technology that can be expanded on that shows FPV twitch based combat:
 

 

Mortal Online

http://youtu.be/E3LD9PUvKTk

DarkFall

http://youtu.be/dPQwfKzV4-E

Planetside 2

http://youtu.be/KE0UnH4mnTY

  dubyahite

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5/06/12 8:49:14 PM#2
MO and Darkfall are not really shining examples of great games with huge populations, but I see your point.


Planetside 2 is kind of a different (better) beast. Fps combat is not the same as elder scrolls combat.

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  Nitth

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5/06/12 8:51:48 PM#3


Originally posted by PancakeEffct
The answer is simply they only care about money.

Nope i think its the exact opposite. They know 80% of consumers will by this shit because its just like wow.


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  PyrateLV

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5/06/12 8:57:26 PM#4
Originally posted by Mellkor

 


Originally posted by PancakeEffct
The answer is simply they only care about money.


 

Nope i think its the exact opposite. They know 80% of consumers will by this shit because its just like wow.

No, 80% will buy it because it has Elder Scrolls in the title. Then 80% will leave because its just like WoW

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  DAS1337

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5/06/12 8:59:31 PM#5
Originally posted by PancakeEffct

 

Proof that ZeniMax is just making a copy and paste themepark WoW game to simply cash in and cash out. It goes against everything Elder Scrolls is about. A Elder Scrolls MMO is not bad for the series, but how it’s currently being done is. The technology IS there for them to make a true sandbox, FPV, Elder scrolls game, but hey simply don’t care about innovating.
 
If these dev companies that have like 5 employees and no money can do it, why can't  ZeniMax? The answer is simply they only care about money. Below are videos of THREE mmo games demonstrating technology that can be expanded on that shows FPV twitch based combat:
 

 

Mortal Online

http://youtu.be/E3LD9PUvKTk

DarkFall

http://youtu.be/dPQwfKzV4-E

Planetside 2

http://youtu.be/KE0UnH4mnTY

You just gave us three examples of proof that a FPV, action oriented game does not work.

 

Good job!

 

Just because you CAN do it, doesn't mean that you can do it WELL.

  tank017

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5/06/12 9:00:56 PM#6
Originally posted by Mellkor

 


Originally posted by PancakeEffct
The answer is simply they only care about money.


 

Nope i think its the exact opposite. They know 80% of consumers will by this shit because its just like wow.

Thats the point.

 

Theyre making it like WoW because thats where the money is,atleast they still think so.

  severius

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5/06/12 9:04:57 PM#7

At least they aren't going to get the chance to do this sort of injustice to the Fallout mmo. 


  SoulOfRaziel

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5/06/12 9:06:57 PM#8
Originally posted by DAS1337
Originally posted by PancakeEffct

 

Proof that ZeniMax is just making a copy and paste themepark WoW game to simply cash in and cash out. It goes against everything Elder Scrolls is about. A Elder Scrolls MMO is not bad for the series, but how it’s currently being done is. The technology IS there for them to make a true sandbox, FPV, Elder scrolls game, but hey simply don’t care about innovating.
 
If these dev companies that have like 5 employees and no money can do it, why can't  ZeniMax? The answer is simply they only care about money. Below are videos of THREE mmo games demonstrating technology that can be expanded on that shows FPV twitch based combat:
 

 

Mortal Online

http://youtu.be/E3LD9PUvKTk

DarkFall

http://youtu.be/dPQwfKzV4-E

Planetside 2

http://youtu.be/KE0UnH4mnTY

You just gave us three examples of proof that a FPV, action oriented game does not work.

 

Good job!

 

Just because you CAN do it, doesn't mean that you can do it WELL.

i think that ZeniMax can do it well they just dont want the challange... they think if they do anything with TES name it will be a bug success and thats why it will prob fail 

  Nitth

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5/06/12 9:08:15 PM#9


Originally posted by PyrateLV


Originally posted by Mellkor
 



Originally posted by PancakeEffct
The answer is simply they only care about money.



 
Nope i think its the exact opposite. They know 80% of consumers will by this shit because its just like wow.


No, 80% will buy it because it has Elder Scrolls in the title. Then 80% will leave because its just like WoW

they have drove many people to the franchise because of skyrim's popularity. When those same people think "mmmorpg" they naturally equate that to something like world of Warcraft, because of the high theme park marketing of the gene.


Its perfectly logical to come to this conclusion;


1.new people to the franchise will accept it because they don't know better. they think tab targeting is staple to the gene.
2.The faithful, supportive community of the past will get the shaft in the name of money.


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  DAS1337

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5/06/12 9:10:28 PM#10
Originally posted by SoulOfRaziel
Originally posted by DAS1337
Originally posted by PancakeEffct

 

Proof that ZeniMax is just making a copy and paste themepark WoW game to simply cash in and cash out. It goes against everything Elder Scrolls is about. A Elder Scrolls MMO is not bad for the series, but how it’s currently being done is. The technology IS there for them to make a true sandbox, FPV, Elder scrolls game, but hey simply don’t care about innovating.
 
If these dev companies that have like 5 employees and no money can do it, why can't  ZeniMax? The answer is simply they only care about money. Below are videos of THREE mmo games demonstrating technology that can be expanded on that shows FPV twitch based combat:
 

 

Mortal Online

http://youtu.be/E3LD9PUvKTk

DarkFall

http://youtu.be/dPQwfKzV4-E

Planetside 2

http://youtu.be/KE0UnH4mnTY

You just gave us three examples of proof that a FPV, action oriented game does not work.

 

Good job!

 

Just because you CAN do it, doesn't mean that you can do it WELL.

i think that ZeniMax can do it well they just dont want the challange... they think if they do anything with TES name it will be a bug success and thats why it will prob fail 

I don't think they are completely oblivious to what we want.  I think they knew that certain sacrifices had to be made as well as hard decisions.  The decided to use the HERO engine and with that comes your typical MMO combat mechanics.  What happens if they try to give the players FPS combat and fail?  That, in my opinion, is much more realistic.  The fans still would be upset. 

  Fearum

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5/06/12 9:10:36 PM#11

Darkfall and MO are both horrible games, sand box is a fail formula for any game and it just doesnt work. I'm interested in seeing how TESO is going to play out and can't wait to see it.

Not sure why you sandbox people keep saying that ES is a sand box game, it is nothing like that. Not even sure why I am replying to this crap because you all live in a bubble.

  Uhwop

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5/06/12 9:11:54 PM#12
Originally posted by DAS1337
Originally posted by PancakeEffct

 

Proof that ZeniMax is just making a copy and paste themepark WoW game to simply cash in and cash out. It goes against everything Elder Scrolls is about. A Elder Scrolls MMO is not bad for the series, but how it’s currently being done is. The technology IS there for them to make a true sandbox, FPV, Elder scrolls game, but hey simply don’t care about innovating.
 
If these dev companies that have like 5 employees and no money can do it, why can't  ZeniMax? The answer is simply they only care about money. Below are videos of THREE mmo games demonstrating technology that can be expanded on that shows FPV twitch based combat:
 

 

Mortal Online

http://youtu.be/E3LD9PUvKTk

DarkFall

http://youtu.be/dPQwfKzV4-E

Planetside 2

http://youtu.be/KE0UnH4mnTY

You just gave us three examples of proof that a FPV, action oriented game does not work.

 

Good job!

 

Just because you CAN do it, doesn't mean that you can do it WELL.

 Please tell all of us how PS2 doesn't work.  And can I use your time machine so I can see what the world will be like a few hundred years from now?

The other two excamples, they were small, inexperienced, studios.  Mortal is developed by less then 20 people, and it's not the combat that's the problem with the game.  It's ffa, full loot, HARDCORE MMORPG.  Most people aren't going to understand the game outside of whacking things with a sword. 

Turning or into metal in mortal online practically takes a degree in metallurgy.

 

  Uhwop

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5/06/12 9:13:00 PM#13
Originally posted by hansen679

Darkfall and MO are both horrible games, sand box is a fail formula for any game and it just doesnt work. I'm interested in seeing how TESO is going to play out and can't wait to see it.

Not sure why you sandbox people keep saying that ES is a sand box game, it is nothing like that. Not even sure why I am replying to this crap because you all live in a bubble.

 You know it's against the rules to create a new forum account when you've been banned?

  dubyahite

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5/06/12 9:15:04 PM#14
Originally posted by DAS1337
Originally posted by PancakeEffct

 

Proof that ZeniMax is just making a copy and paste themepark WoW game to simply cash in and cash out. It goes against everything Elder Scrolls is about. A Elder Scrolls MMO is not bad for the series, but how it’s currently being done is. The technology IS there for them to make a true sandbox, FPV, Elder scrolls game, but hey simply don’t care about innovating.
 
If these dev companies that have like 5 employees and no money can do it, why can't  ZeniMax? The answer is simply they only care about money. Below are videos of THREE mmo games demonstrating technology that can be expanded on that shows FPV twitch based combat:
 

 

Mortal Online

http://youtu.be/E3LD9PUvKTk

DarkFall

http://youtu.be/dPQwfKzV4-E

Planetside 2

http://youtu.be/KE0UnH4mnTY

You just gave us three examples of proof that a FPV, action oriented game does not work.

 

Good job!

 

Just because you CAN do it, doesn't mean that you can do it WELL.

Hey you watch your mouth about Planetside.

 

MO and DF can die in a fire for all I care, but Planetside 2 isn't even out yet, and judging by Planetside 1 will be far superior to DF and MO in every way. It's not even the same type of game

 

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  Stekky

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5/06/12 9:22:34 PM#15
Originally posted by DAS1337
Originally posted by PancakeEffct

 

Proof that ZeniMax is just making a copy and paste themepark WoW game to simply cash in and cash out. It goes against everything Elder Scrolls is about. A Elder Scrolls MMO is not bad for the series, but how it’s currently being done is. The technology IS there for them to make a true sandbox, FPV, Elder scrolls game, but hey simply don’t care about innovating.
 
If these dev companies that have like 5 employees and no money can do it, why can't  ZeniMax? The answer is simply they only care about money. Below are videos of THREE mmo games demonstrating technology that can be expanded on that shows FPV twitch based combat:
 

 

Mortal Online

http://youtu.be/E3LD9PUvKTk

DarkFall

http://youtu.be/dPQwfKzV4-E

Planetside 2

http://youtu.be/KE0UnH4mnTY

You just gave us three examples of proof that a FPV, action oriented game does not work.

 

Good job!

 

Just because you CAN do it, doesn't mean that you can do it WELL.

No,  its good proof that incredibly small groups of people with little to no game development experience can somehow solve issues that ZeniMax claims impossible.        The argument isn't whether Mortal Online and Darkfall are great games,   they aren't!   Most of their players (full loot pvp or not) would flock to a AAA MMO that offers characteristics of TES along with PVP.     

For me a TES MMO is my holy grail.      This game isn't TES though sadly.   Its a money grab by people who own a name.  

  Kabaal

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5/06/12 9:43:11 PM#16

The first word in the OP was "Proof", i'm still waiting for it.

  PancakeEffct

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OP  5/06/12 9:54:45 PM#17

 

Those are small indie companies that have done this, obviously a well funded experienced team can do better. If you read any of the post, the point is there is technology out there as I quoted, that can be "expanded on" by again a better funded more experienced team.
  jadedlevir

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5/06/12 10:39:22 PM#18

SV is a tiny company with virtually no budget, yet Mortal Online is a almost functional  fpv action sandbox. That should tell you something. The problem with MO and Darkfall has nothing to do with design concepts. It has to do with inexpereince and little funding.  Tera is a open world action mmo and it works just fine.  Want tera to become a sandbox? Okay, add more player made content like keeps and what not. I don't see why anyone would need proof that a sandbox action oriented game is possible. What exactly is stopping archage from putting in tera's combat besides for being so late into the development stage?

Is it harder? Ya probably. Thats probably  why they, and most other developers, go the wow clone way. Because those traditional mmos are extremely simple to design both conceptually and literarly compared to sandbox games like MO. Why take a risk when you can just  milk every big name IP.

  Fearum

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/15/11
Posts: 1092

5/07/12 12:19:06 AM#19

How have I been banned? Look at my member since... I have only posted 2 times since joining this site a year and a half ago lol

My first post was that one.

Who are you Uhwop?

 

edit: nevermind, just read through some of your recent posts and it seems your a very angry man about TESO and you love to write huge negative posts in every thread involving anything TESO

  Blackwater56

Novice Member

Joined: 4/26/12
Posts: 127

5/07/12 6:53:36 AM#20
Originally posted by DAS1337

You just gave us three examples of proof that a FPV, action oriented game does not work.

 

Good job!

 

Just because you CAN do it, doesn't mean that you can do it WELL.

Wait Planetside doesn't work?

 

ALERT THE NAVY! That game that's been running for 9 years doesn't work, guys!

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