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  jtcgs

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Joined: 9/28/04
Posts: 1476

5/05/12 1:54:37 PM#181
Originally posted by Boraell


I've just reread the 'leaked' article and all the mentions of WoW and SW:TOR have been by the journalist explaining his perception of the concept, not once does Firor mention WoW. The journalist (Adam Biessener) also seems to have a limited MMO background to draw on for examples, his 'about me' (admittidly from 2009) mentions WoW as his only MMO and further stalking only reveals mention of playing SW:TOR.

My point, the only person who has likened 'aspects' of it to WoW is Adam and he appears to be using wow to explain his understanding of the concepts, nothing more.

P.S. its far from every page that mentions WoW, in fact its 3 out of 18 pages that do!

Umm...

A person that has played WoW, can say that something is like WoW.  its either like WoW, or it isnt and the only people that can say its like WoW are those that have PLAYED it. Having played other MMOs does not tell you if something is like WoW or not.

 

lol...

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  Chrome1980

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Joined: 4/14/12
Posts: 523

5/05/12 2:04:17 PM#182
Originally posted by bansan
Originally posted by Chrome1980
*snip*
 

Doomer and gloomers have striked way too early this time. Hard to say if TESO essence has been captured on not when game is not even playable right now. Moreover, 'the essence' is matter of prespective. For me the essence of TES is in non linear world design which we are getting with TESO.

For other it might be different. Stop trying to project your own idea of what is essence of TES on others. You say you are not a fan of TES and i can only imagine the rant if you were a fan.

Let me break it down for you boo.

In the first sentence, you say people are complaining too early because we do not know whether TESO captures the essence of TES.

In the following sentences, you say you are satisified because we know that TESO captures the essence of TES.

Do you comprehend, or do we need to just get your mom to tuck you into bed?

There we go again... the guy is trying to complain on behalf of all the TES fans and trying to project his ides of essence on others that is why said it is hard to comment on it (considering according to him entire games is devoid of any of the TES core features) where as my comment was based on the actual feature listed by the devs itself and not some imaginary and ambiguous idea of essence that i pulled out of thin air. My personal opinion is mine alone and i never claimed to speak on behalf of all the TES fans.

You could have made your point without trying to insult me though.but i guess it makes you feel cooler?

  Boraell

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Joined: 1/17/06
Posts: 43

5/05/12 2:07:04 PM#183
Originally posted by jtcgs
Originally posted by Boraell


I've just reread the 'leaked' article and all the mentions of WoW and SW:TOR have been by the journalist explaining his perception of the concept, not once does Firor mention WoW. The journalist (Adam Biessener) also seems to have a limited MMO background to draw on for examples, his 'about me' (admittidly from 2009) mentions WoW as his only MMO and further stalking only reveals mention of playing SW:TOR.

My point, the only person who has likened 'aspects' of it to WoW is Adam and he appears to be using wow to explain his understanding of the concepts, nothing more.

P.S. its far from every page that mentions WoW, in fact its 3 out of 18 pages that do!

Umm...

A person that has played WoW, can say that something is like WoW.  its either like WoW, or it isnt and the only people that can say its like WoW are those that have PLAYED it. Having played other MMOs does not tell you if something is like WoW or not.

 

lol...


Senseless reply much? Obviously you are unable to grasp my point but I will counter anyway, yes he has played WoW but (A) he hasnt played ESO and (B) he has no other benchmark to compare it to, so even if the hotbar and combat are, in reality, more like GW2 than WoW he wont know this...Therefore he will compare it to WoW!

  Ruinal

Apprentice Member

Joined: 11/17/08
Posts: 187

5/05/12 2:11:35 PM#184

My fellow online community buddies were commenting on the article describing Elder scrolls. One and all, we agree that this sounds like yet another painfully wasted opportunity. And the sad part is we were all really hyped when the announcement came. Even sadder, it'll probably sell lots of units, vindicating mediocrity ala SW:TOR yet again.

  purewitz

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Joined: 10/24/06
Posts: 473

5/05/12 2:20:33 PM#185

I hope all you Elder Scrolls fans get what you want in an online game. For years I wanted the same and now I have Star Wars: The Old Republic and I don't care what anyone says about the game. I love it anyway. Same goes for you Elder Scrolls fans, if you love the idea of your favorite franchise becoming an online game. You shouldn't care what others may think of it. Just love the fact that you'll be playing an Elder Scrolls game for years to come online with your friends and family. Where the haters will be playing with themselves offline.

When we get back from where we are going, we will return to where we were. I know people there!

  Gdemami

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Joined: 9/23/08
Posts: 5797

5/05/12 2:32:04 PM#186


Originally posted by Ruinal

One and all, we agree that this sounds like yet another painfully wasted opportunity.
...
Even sadder, it'll probably sell lots of units, vindicating mediocrity ala SW:TOR yet again.

Wasted opportunity yielding 1.7M subscribers? o.O


I wish all my wasted opportunities were that profitable...

  Distopia

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Joined: 11/22/05
Posts: 12068

Give it a rest

5/05/12 2:35:03 PM#187
Originally posted by musicmann
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by musicmann

I really believe that people have a right to be upset and pissed off. How many more well known and hugely popular IP's must be ruined because of changes being made to the elements that made them so liked from the beginning. This title will be 100% different from what made people love about it. The problem is, it's taking elements of GW2, TOR and DAOC and not implementing any of it's own elements and still calling it TES, when in fact it's really gonna be something totally different. People are stupid buying into this crap over and over. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. I learned from TOR, that just having the SW logo on it, doesn't make it good. These dev companies slap a IP sticker on the box and expect the public to eat it up. If you do, you're an idiot.

No the real problem is posters like yourself. It's a game, if people enjoy it (when it's done) that doesn't make them idiots. People can get pissed off about whatever they want, that's not the problem, the problem is when people such as yourself expect everyone to agree with you on petty things like an IP, and they're idiots if they don't. You realize you posted this same way toward everyone who disagreed with you about TOR's awesomeness right?

I could care less if you agree or don't agree with me. My opinion has and doesn't have no more weight than anyone else's. I merely state how i feel, nothing more. Oh, let me add. People like you are the real problem this genre faces. Buying retread after retread of the same old shit, letting developers believe that somehow they are doing fantastic jobs by doing so.

ANd there you go assuming what I buy or don't buy, I don't buy every mmo to come along, I buy the ones which have interested me, since 2005 that has been AOC and TOR, that's it. Never bought WOW, never bought EQ2 never bought LOTRO, so take your assumptions somewhere else.

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  spaceport

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Joined: 11/24/11
Posts: 417

5/05/12 2:38:48 PM#188

1,7m subs LOL

Yeah, that's why they are giving away free months.


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  Chrome1980

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Joined: 4/14/12
Posts: 523

5/05/12 2:40:46 PM#189
Originally posted by spaceport

1,7m subs LOL

Yeah, that's why they are giving away free months.

Yeah because all games which have very low subs start giving out free months right? 

  colddog04

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Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 4722

5/05/12 2:41:04 PM#190
Originally posted by spaceport

1,7m subs LOL

Yeah, that's why they are giving away free months.

It was a gift to the players.

 

They wanted to give $25.5 million to the players.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  PyrateLV

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Joined: 11/07/08
Posts: 1106

5/05/12 2:44:10 PM#191
Originally posted by Chrome1980
Originally posted by spaceport

1,7m subs LOL

Yeah, that's why they are giving away free months.

Yeah because all games which have very low subs start giving out free months right? 

Especially 3 months in from Release.

 

I think its more along the likes of 1.7k subs.

Could be a typo. The K key is just above the M key

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  Chrome1980

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Joined: 4/14/12
Posts: 523

5/05/12 2:48:43 PM#192
Originally posted by PyrateLV
Originally posted by Chrome1980
Originally posted by spaceport

1,7m subs LOL

Yeah, that's why they are giving away free months.

Yeah because all games which have very low subs start giving out free months right? 

Especially 3 months in from Release.

 

I think its more along the likes of 1.7k subs.

Could be a typo. The K key is just above the M key

I don't know.. Warhammer and AOC should have given couple of free months if i follow the same logic since both lost subs faster than Paris Hilton drops her clothes.

  Gdemami

Elite Member

Joined: 9/23/08
Posts: 5797

5/05/12 3:02:52 PM#193


Originally posted by Chrome1980

I don't know.. Warhammer and AOC should have given couple of free months if i follow the same logic since both lost subs faster than Paris Hilton drops her clothes.


Sucks that this free month gift was given to active subscribers only having lvl 50 characters thus doing nothing in terms of subscriber acquisition...

But hey, there is no room for reason when ranting/trolling...

  jtcgs

Hard Core Member

Joined: 9/28/04
Posts: 1476

5/05/12 3:07:29 PM#194
Originally posted by Boraell
Originally posted by jtcgs
Originally posted by Boraell


I've just reread the 'leaked' article and all the mentions of WoW and SW:TOR have been by the journalist explaining his perception of the concept, not once does Firor mention WoW. The journalist (Adam Biessener) also seems to have a limited MMO background to draw on for examples, his 'about me' (admittidly from 2009) mentions WoW as his only MMO and further stalking only reveals mention of playing SW:TOR.

My point, the only person who has likened 'aspects' of it to WoW is Adam and he appears to be using wow to explain his understanding of the concepts, nothing more.

P.S. its far from every page that mentions WoW, in fact its 3 out of 18 pages that do!

Umm...

A person that has played WoW, can say that something is like WoW.  its either like WoW, or it isnt and the only people that can say its like WoW are those that have PLAYED it. Having played other MMOs does not tell you if something is like WoW or not.

 

lol...


Senseless reply much? Obviously you are unable to grasp my point but I will counter anyway, yes he has played WoW but (A) he hasnt played ESO and (B) he has no other benchmark to compare it to, so even if the hotbar and combat are, in reality, more like GW2 than WoW he wont know this...Therefore he will compare it to WoW!

Senseless reply much? Obviously you are unable to grasp my point but I will counter anyway, No he has not played ESO but he has a pair of eyes and the ability to recognize something that looks familiar to him, even something also being similar to something else, which has no effect on a thing being similar also to what he knows.

Object looks like A,

I know what A is,

Object also looks like B,

I dont know what B is,

Does obeject still look like A even though it could also look like B or even MORE like B? Yes...it can. this is gradeschool school stuff.

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  Rophez

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Joined: 2/02/06
Posts: 32

5/05/12 3:14:05 PM#195

The game sounds awesome to me.  I'm gonna buy it, I'm pretty sure - we'll see what beta reveals.

  colddog04

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Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 4722

5/05/12 3:17:02 PM#196
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by Chrome1980

 

I don't know.. Warhammer and AOC should have given couple of free months if i follow the same logic since both lost subs faster than Paris Hilton drops her clothes.


 

Sucks that this free month gift was given to active subscribers only having lvl 50 characters thus doing nothing in terms of subscriber acquisition...

But hey, there is no room for reason when ranting/trolling...

Retention... retention was the goal. His post is clearly talking about retention...

 

And it was for everyone with legacy level 6 as well.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  Gdemami

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Joined: 9/23/08
Posts: 5797

5/05/12 3:22:02 PM#197


Originally posted by colddog04

Retention... retention was the goal. His post is clearly talking about retention...
 
And it was for everyone with legacy level 6 as well.

If player is not interested in playing the game today, it is pointless to offer him a free month.

What are you talking about?

  Boraell

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Joined: 1/17/06
Posts: 43

5/05/12 3:22:21 PM#198


Senseless reply much? Obviously you are unable to grasp my point but I will counter anyway, yes he has played WoW but (A) he hasnt played ESO and (B) he has no other benchmark to compare it to, so even if the hotbar and combat are, in reality, more like GW2 than WoW he wont know this...Therefore he will compare it to WoW!

Senseless reply much? Obviously you are unable to grasp my point but I will counter anyway, No he has not played ESO but he has a pair of eyes and the ability to recognize something that looks familiar to him, even something also being similar to something else, which has no effect on a thing being similar also to what he knows.

Object looks like A,

I know what A is,

Object also looks like B,

I dont know what B is,

Does obeject still look like A even though it could also look like B or even MORE like B? Yes...it can. this is gradeschool school stuff.

And we have another scathing indictment of the american education system, not even going to bother trying to get sense out of you, its like getting blood out of a stone, laters.

  colddog04

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Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 4722

5/05/12 3:23:54 PM#199
Originally posted by Gdemami

 

Originally posted by colddog04

Retention... retention was the goal. His post is clearly talking about retention...
 
And it was for everyone with legacy level 6 as well.

 

If player is not interested in playing the game today, it is pointless to offer him a free month.

What are you talking about?

Fail logic.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  Chrome1980

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Joined: 4/14/12
Posts: 523

5/05/12 3:25:37 PM#200
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by Gdemami

 

Originally posted by colddog04

Retention... retention was the goal. His post is clearly talking about retention...
 
And it was for everyone with legacy level 6 as well.

 

If player is not interested in playing the game today, it is pointless to offer him a free month.

What are you talking about?

Fail logic.

Not really, i got my money's worth and i didn't care for free month and i am sure i am not alone in this.

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