Originally posted by corpusc

 

the point is, WE are helped by BOTH games..... regardless of whether we;

like them both,...... DISLIKE them both,...... or any OTHER combination. 

their very existence is a BIG HELP to the MMO "genre".

Disagree. Nearly every MMO since 2005 has basically been "Copy WoW's details, implement them less skillfully, and add the new gameplay feature x, and the new option y."

TERA: copy WoW's details, implement them horrendously (the worst questing out of any game I've ever played, including Eastern FTP games), adding real time action combat and the option to engage in an end game political system.

This does not help the MMO genre. If you're going to change base gameplay, change the entire F*ing gameplay details from the ground up to make the experience cohesive. I applaud ArenaNet for being the only ones who seem to have realized this.

TERA has been released for over a year (in Korea).  GW2 is still in beta.  And yet in comparisons.....I'm seeing a lot of GW2>TERA, so I'm anxious to see this kind of comparison article WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY MORE FAIR and at least both games have been released.

I haven't played TERA so I can't judge it, but GW2 is going to be my new MMO once it's out....that much I can say.  I don't like the graphics of TERA and I don't like them enough that I won't be playing it.  That's pretty big hate for the graphics there....or should I say art style.  Yes, art style.  Eww icky gross.  GW2.....ahh soft, beautiful, entrancing.

I tried asking this on a similar discussion thread but it seems to have died. So here it is.

"This is a serious question and I'm not trying to start a heated discussion. My copy of Tera should be here Tuesday now and I'm looking forward to it and it's PvP. My question is GW2 has objectives in WvWvW like protecting/aquiring supplies, destroying/holding keeps, etc. In Tera what do you do other than smack one another? I watched a couple good Guild vs Guild videos but didn't really understand much more about it. "

i tryed both some few hours and have much more fun on GW2. Tera have amazing graphics ( personaly i hate the style, to much asian for me) and a excelent combat system but the rest is like any other MMORPG. 

i cant see people say Tera is PvP and GW2 is Pve.

in GW2 you have sPvP (real skil combats) and WvW (need lot of cooperation between guilds). what Tera have? (i ask because i really dont know beside the normal PvP).

in terms os PvE cant compare, PvE of GW2 is much better than Tera. 

KK. Sorry, but I don't see how this article works. Tera was terrible. Literally, I rage quitted. The combat system, which is shitty in comparison to a good action game only held my attention for a few minutes.  The characters were ridiculous: I had a dragon guy in a fucking blue blouse hitting people with an axe, an elf whose armor is underwear, and a fucking weird man-rabbit. The only redeeming quality for me was the graphics, but graphics don't mean anything when I spend LITERALLY 4 fucking quests killing the same damn mobs. Oh those tree guys you just killed? Go kill 10 more, but this time get their hearts instead of their toes. WTF? The quests were plain BORING, and no really cruddy "action combat" system is going to make and break the game for me. Why? Because the action combat system is terrible. Just terrible. Maybe if it brought an action combat system someone would expect from a newly released title these days, but it doesn't-and just because it is in an MMO doesn't justify it. Shitty Asian game built off of a lacking combat system that fails to deliver. Will go free to play after people realize that they are tired of terrible hack and slash.

Originally posted by p_c_sousa

i tryed both some few hours and have much more fun on GW2. Tera have amazing graphics ( personaly i hate the style, to much asian for me) and a excelent combat system but the rest is like any other MMORPG. 

i cant see people say Tera is PvP and GW2 is Pve.

in GW2 you have sPvP (real skil combats) and WvW (need lot of cooperation between guilds). what Tera have? (i ask because i really dont know beside the normal PvP).

 

in terms os PvE cant compare, PvE of GW2 is much better than Tera. 

Dont forget dynamic events if u "know how to do them RIGHT" its freaking awesome !

Originally posted by Garrok1

KK. Sorry, but I don't see how this article works. Tera was terrible. Literally, I rage quitted. The combat system, which is shitty in comparison to a good action game only held my attention for a few minutes.  The characters were ridiculous: I had a dragon guy in a fucking blue blouse hitting people with an axe, an elf whose armor is underwear, and a fucking weird man-rabbit. The only redeeming quality for me was the graphics, but graphics don't mean anything when I spend LITERALLY 4 fucking quests killing the same damn mobs. Oh those tree guys you just killed? Go kill 10 more, but this time get their hearts instead of their toes. WTF? The quests were plain BORING, and no really cruddy "action combat" system is going to make and break the game for me. Why? Because the action combat system is terrible. Just terrible. Maybe if it brought an action combat system someone would expect from a newly released title these days, but it doesn't-and just because it is in an MMO doesn't justify it. Shitty Asian game built off of a lacking combat system that fails to deliver. Will go free to play after people realize that they are tired of terrible hack and slash.

Your words, although somewhat disturbing, make me ponder my choice in buying the game which I haven't recieved yet! Oh well, I will play it anyway and decide for myself. I played in the beta up until those trees you described and the 1st beta and then I played a little on the 3rd beta starting at level 20 but didn't get to play long. Thank you for your vulgar comments. :)

Originally posted by Amjoco

I tried asking this on a similar discussion thread but it seems to have died. So here it is.

"This is a serious question and I'm not trying to start a heated discussion. My copy of Tera should be here Tuesday now and I'm looking forward to it and it's PvP. My question is GW2 has objectives in WvWvW like protecting/aquiring supplies, destroying/holding keeps, etc. In Tera what do you do other than smack one another? I watched a couple good Guild vs Guild videos but didn't really understand much more about it. "

This is a feature that is still being designed and has yet to be fully implemented.

The PvP system for TERA is still in the development stage. TERA will most likely offer different server types. Battlegrounds and PvP rewards will be an important part of the endgame content of TERA.

This lists what is currently in place:

http://tera.enmasse.com/game-guide/pvp

Originally posted by Dawnbr3aker

saying Tera combat system is light-years away from others isnt it a little too much? I admit I am a gw2 fan, but I had much more fun playing GW2 beta than Tera beta. Everything i enjoyed much more over Tera. I didnt play Tera beta though, maybe it gets better, idk. Maybe it takes more getting use to to enjoy the game. But its just not for me I guess.

I agree. I realize that different people like different thing (shocking, I know), but that kind of hyperbole isn't helpful in what would consider to be a professional review. You can argue that GW2 is a tab target game, except it's not. You don't have to be tabbed on to your target to damage it. If you are tabbed on to your target and are either too far away or not facing them then you can use your ability but it will be wasted. Thera is some animation lock in game but it is extremely limited.

Tera's aim is interesting but the lack of localized damage for me means it doesn't go far enough IMO. If you could, say, target an arm and cripple it, I would say that makes it "light years ahead". The combat lock is typical for this type of genre and many people say it's an integral part of the strategy. This means you don't spam abilities. I would argue that in GW2 you CAN spam abilities off of cooldown but this is not optimal play as they are designed to be used situationally.

At any rate, some people will like one, some the other, some will like both. In their own way they both try and change the genre which is helpful. Setting them up in a "head to head" competition doesn't make a lot of sense and because people tend to be so passionate about what they like, and so biased about what they don't like, discussion is challenging at best.

Tera is the only game P2P with cash shop, nice innovation......

Originally posted by Amjoco

Originally posted by Garrok1

KK. Sorry, but I don't see how this article works. Tera was terrible. Literally, I rage quitted. The combat system, which is shitty in comparison to a good action game only held my attention for a few minutes.  The characters were ridiculous: I had a dragon guy in a fucking blue blouse hitting people with an axe, an elf whose armor is underwear, and a fucking weird man-rabbit. The only redeeming quality for me was the graphics, but graphics don't mean anything when I spend LITERALLY 4 fucking quests killing the same damn mobs. Oh those tree guys you just killed? Go kill 10 more, but this time get their hearts instead of their toes. WTF? The quests were plain BORING, and no really cruddy "action combat" system is going to make and break the game for me. Why? Because the action combat system is terrible. Just terrible. Maybe if it brought an action combat system someone would expect from a newly released title these days, but it doesn't-and just because it is in an MMO doesn't justify it. Shitty Asian game built off of a lacking combat system that fails to deliver. Will go free to play after people realize that they are tired of terrible hack and slash.

Your words, although somewhat disturbing, make me ponder my choice in buying the game which I haven't recieved yet! Oh well, I will play it anyway and decide for myself. I played in the beta up until those trees you described and the 1st beta and then I played a little on the 3rd beta starting at level 20 but didn't get to play long. Thank you for your vulgar comments. :)

I don't know why, but I found this hilarious.

Originally posted by escarreta

Tera is the only game P2P with cash shop, nice innovation......

Is it?  I thought there were others... maybe SWTOR only toyed with the idea.

Originally posted by escarreta

Tera is the only game P2P with cash shop, nice innovation......

Great, perfect score, you said 2 things and they are both wrong:

1) Tera has no cash shop atm.

2) WoW has a cash shop, just to name another p2p game.

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by escarreta

Tera is the only game P2P with cash shop, nice innovation......

Is it?  I thought there were others... maybe SWTOR only toyed with the idea.

WoW, TSW, Fallen Earth...

Honestly, I'm looking through a list and so many of the games have gone F2P with a sub option. In these games, you can choose to pay a sub and there is a still a cash shop, but they are not strict P2P titles. So yeah, not that many left.

Edit: Wait... is Fallen Earth free now? BRB, playing Fallen Earth.

Correct me if I'm wrong, which I'm willing to admit is more likely than not..

But I tried the GW2 beta for a day and I'm wondering if there was something else to the questing? Because all I got out of it was nearly an exact rip-off of public quests from Warhammer Online. While I don't mind them, the whole "revolutionary" questing experience people keep talking about has me scratching my head as I kept getting the "I've been there, done that" feeling.

They're talking about something else, right?

Also, I play Tera and also plan on giving plenty of my time to GW2.. and somehow D3 and still finding time for work and eating. Oh, and sleeping I guess.

Originally posted by raazman

Originally posted by Amjoco

Originally posted by Garrok1

KK. Sorry, but I don't see how this article works. Tera was terrible. Literally, I rage quitted. The combat system, which is shitty in comparison to a good action game only held my attention for a few minutes.  The characters were ridiculous: I had a dragon guy in a fucking blue blouse hitting people with an axe, an elf whose armor is underwear, and a fucking weird man-rabbit. The only redeeming quality for me was the graphics, but graphics don't mean anything when I spend LITERALLY 4 fucking quests killing the same damn mobs. Oh those tree guys you just killed? Go kill 10 more, but this time get their hearts instead of their toes. WTF? The quests were plain BORING, and no really cruddy "action combat" system is going to make and break the game for me. Why? Because the action combat system is terrible. Just terrible. Maybe if it brought an action combat system someone would expect from a newly released title these days, but it doesn't-and just because it is in an MMO doesn't justify it. Shitty Asian game built off of a lacking combat system that fails to deliver. Will go free to play after people realize that they are tired of terrible hack and slash.

Your words, although somewhat disturbing, make me ponder my choice in buying the game which I haven't recieved yet! Oh well, I will play it anyway and decide for myself. I played in the beta up until those trees you described and the 1st beta and then I played a little on the 3rd beta starting at level 20 but didn't get to play long. Thank you for your vulgar comments. :)

I don't know why, but I found this hilarious.

Me too! Korean game makers see the world as "man-rabbits"? Well-I just don't know. ;)

The Guild Wars 2 PQ's scale according to players participating, and have branching outcomes which may trigger different phases / events afterwards.

That's really the big difference I think, other than in WAR PQ's sometimes distracted people from single quests. In GW2 the PVE is built with this in mind, so that's all you have.

FWIW - GW2 closed beta and onwards strongly diluted my MMO craving for other games. Still looking for a F2P time-waster until release though.

Originally posted by Sythion

Originally posted by corpusc

 

the point is, WE are helped by BOTH games..... regardless of whether we;

like them both,...... DISLIKE them both,...... or any OTHER combination. 

their very existence is a BIG HELP to the MMO "genre".

 

Disagree. Nearly every MMO since 2005 has basically been "Copy WoW's details, implement them less skillfully, and add the new gameplay feature x, and the new option y."

TERA: copy WoW's details, implement them horrendously (the worst questing out of any game I've ever played, including Eastern FTP games), adding real time action combat and the option to engage in an end game political system.

This does not help the MMO genre. If you're going to change base gameplay, change the entire F*ing gameplay details from the ground up to make the experience cohesive. I applaud ArenaNet for being the only ones who seem to have realized this.

 

So if you change one thing, you have to change everything? Mmk. Change just for the sake of change is bad.

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Originally posted by Dawnbr3aker

saying Tera combat system is light-years away from others isnt it a little too much? I admit I am a gw2 fan, but I had much more fun playing GW2 beta than Tera beta. Everything i enjoyed much more over Tera. I didnt play Tera beta though, maybe it gets better, idk. Maybe it takes more getting use to to enjoy the game. But its just not for me I guess.

I agree. I realize that different people like different thing (shocking, I know), but that kind of hyperbole isn't helpful in what would consider to be a professional review. You can argue that GW2 is a tab target game, except it's not. You don't have to be tabbed on to your target to damage it. If you are tabbed on to your target and are either too far away or not facing them then you can use your ability but it will be wasted. Thera is some animation lock in game but it is extremely limited.

Tera's aim is interesting but the lack of localized damage for me means it doesn't go far enough IMO. If you could, say, target an arm and cripple it, I would say that makes it "light years ahead". The combat lock is typical for this type of genre and many people say it's an integral part of the strategy. This means you don't spam abilities. I would argue that in GW2 you CAN spam abilities off of cooldown but this is not optimal play as they are designed to be used situationally.

At any rate, some people will like one, some the other, some will like both. In their own way they both try and change the genre which is helpful. Setting them up in a "head to head" competition doesn't make a lot of sense and because people tend to be so passionate about what they like, and so biased about what they don't like, discussion is challenging at best.

 

Any game with aoe spells mean you don't have to be tabbed on to your target to damage it, doesn't mean it's not a tab target game. Also every game has reach for its abilities, if you're beyond the max distance the ability won't hit. Still doesn't make it not a tab-target game. Situational ability use is also nothing new.

If TERA's combat is crappy, as one poster said, GW2's is absolute trash.

Originally posted by ElVisitante

Any game with aoe spells mean you don't have to be tabbed on to your target to damage it, doesn't mean it's not a tab target game. Also every game has reach for its abilities, if you're beyond the max distance the ability won't hit. Still doesn't make it not a tab-target game. Situational ability use is also nothing new.

If TERA's combat is crappy, as one poster said, GW2's is absolute trash.

You not liking GW2's combat system, which I would guess you have no personal experience with, does not mean by default that Tera has a good one.

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Originally posted by ElVisitante

Any game with aoe spells mean you don't have to be tabbed on to your target to damage it, doesn't mean it's not a tab target game. Also every game has reach for its abilities, if you're beyond the max distance the ability won't hit. Still doesn't make it not a tab-target game. Situational ability use is also nothing new.

If TERA's combat is crappy, as one poster said, GW2's is absolute trash.

You not liking GW2's combat system, which I would guess you have no personal experience with, does not mean by default that Tera has a good one.

 

First, your guess is wrong. Also, the general consensus seems to be that TERA has better combat and GW2 has better quests. That is my opinion as well, having played both games. There are no "by default" conclusions being drawn here, and I don't know why you would even say that.