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5/05/12 8:38:29 AM#21
Ultima Online does... and Pre NGE Star Wars Galaxies... every single MMO other than those two have been an unlimited source of failure and suckage (or seems like that by just reading these forums sometimes)... :) :) :) What can men do against such reckless hate? |
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5/05/12 8:40:13 AM#22
Here's a few things that explain this phenomenon:
1) We're all whiny, self-entitled bitches. 2) We all had a game we fell in love with. Be it UO, or EQ, or (God help you poor younguns) WoW. 3) We all loved that game because of a factor or factors, which I will call X. 4) We all moved past that game because of one or another factors, which I will lump here as Y. 5) We're all hoping for a game that has X, reminds us of the joy we had with our first MMO love, and has nothing resemlbing Y. 6) If any game fails to produce sufficient quantities of X or has even a HINT of Y, It's teh devil and must be purged with Hate. 7) Obviously everyone that likes it is a stupid fanboi; how could sane sensible humans like something I think is crap? 8) On the other hand, if I find a game that has sufficient X and no Y, anyone who thinks otherwise must be a hater. Obviously they're just jealous their crappy game isn't as cool as mine 9) Thanks to the way nostalgia works , no game is EVER really gonna match what we want. Even the game we started loving in the first place! 10) If all else fails and you are confused, refer to point 1 again. |
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5/05/12 8:48:00 AM#23
Originally posted by evianwater Thats because you are new. With alot of people being in the online rpg scene of some sort since the early/mid 90's, we are sick of the same crap. People like you are the reason why we keep getting served the same old crap. Its not the community at all, linear themeparks do not in any way, shape or form, let communies thrive long term so they bomb. Then when the next big marketing hype comes around [mod edit] the cycle continues.
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5/05/12 8:49:33 AM#24
Originally posted by karmath The insults were really uncalled for. Now you know what i am going to do. |
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5/05/12 8:59:11 AM#25
Originally posted by Chrome1980 Sadly, its the truth. Only you can change it. The reason I'm so harsh with your kind is because in a year or two you will be posting the same shit I do, being blunt makes that happen sooner. Ergo, we get a good game quicker. |
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Vesavius
 Old School
Joined: 3/08/04
Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this. |
5/05/12 9:00:49 AM#26
Originally posted by Chrome1980
Did I have bad things to say about Rift? Sure... I support games I think are good, criticise the ones I don't, though I can usually see good and bad in most offerings on some level. But.. thats all. Take it or leave it, and if you get emotionally upset by my observations of a game I would say that's not my look out. Stop trying to make this personal by flaming me on a personal level, I've been around here way too long to bite and it just comes across as trolling. That's all I will say on the matter. |
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5/05/12 9:04:52 AM#27
Originally posted by karmath Uhmm, people have been posting blunty for years, yet they are never getting those games, if they were they wouldn't be here still doing the same. For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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5/05/12 9:07:18 AM#28
Originally posted by Vesavius I was wondering when will you bring out the good old 'you are 'trolling 'argument'. How can i troll when it actually happened and you know it too. My whole point was to show double standards of posters here on forums who are always ready to preach others on how to conduct themselves when it comes to dealing with various MMOS 'especially the one they like) and yet they forget their own behaviour in past. Also, i know what you are trying to do here..trying to make it appear as if i am emotional or upset about something but infact i am not. I am still very much on topic since i am discussing about why most of the games are always bashed and criticised by the player base. Double standards and hypocricy is an integral part of this vicious cycle which never ends. So yes practise what you preach..i can not assert this more.
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5/05/12 9:11:29 AM#29
I have to say that diablo 3 sorta of deserves it, they destroyed a large part of what the diablo experence was about to cater to the stupid casual cattle. Making stats come from gear or gems, This was only done so there was more shit that would possibly be sold in diablo 3's rmt ah. I can't see any other reason for it. It was just a money grab to make a new item set they know people will sell on the rmt ah and thats the entire purpose to why you don't have stat points to spend. Since there are no skill builds there really is no reason to ever play another of the same class once you get it to high levels, there is just no point since you get all the skills and runes always at the same time. Unlike diablo 2 where you could have like 3 assassins each with a totally diff build/playstyle, Nope blizzard felt this was too advanced and got lazy and removed it making every single class a carbon copy with 0 diffrences between other players using the same class. I am waiting for Path of Exile myself, other than graphics it slaughters diablo 3 hands down in the gameplay and char advancement sections, oh and its gonna be f2p too. Its passive skill system is like ffx's sphere grid, while its active skill system is like FF7's materia system complete with linked support gems that grant or change the active skill in some way, its actually quite genious. Said gems also level up like materia in ff7 did. PoE is still in beta but honestly its one of the more interesting games coming out. Its just really sad that some no-name freshly made game studio can make a far better diablo-like game, than the makers of diablo 1 and 2 that started it all. Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either: A. Proven right (if something bad happens) or B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens) Either way, you can't lose! Try it out sometime! |
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5/05/12 9:13:04 AM#30
For the record: I love Rift, though I never technically reviewed it. Gave swtor mostly low marks. Gave GW2 a positive review. Gave Tera a mostly positive review. Gave Path of Exile a positive review. Have not technically reviewed DDO but have only said good things. Didn't end up releasing my Aion first look because the whole experience was a disaster. Decided not to do a first look on Raider Z because I was completely unimpressed with it and I don't particularly like using my youtube channel to flame games. I don't know that what I see on these forums is an endless stream of hate. What I tend to see is equal parts hate and fanboi-ism and my experience is that the fanbois are actually louder. My review of Tera is mostly positive but there was just enough negative that I still got ripped to shreds by the fans. On the flip-side, haters have not come out of the woodwork to tear me up for my GW2 review which is almost all positive, but I'm still getting ripped by the extreme fans for not knowing as much about the game as they do. GW2 video review!! |
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Vesavius
Old School
Joined: 3/08/04
Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this. |
5/05/12 9:20:23 AM#31
Originally posted by Chrome1980
Look, whatever. Go and find your argument elsewhere. |
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5/05/12 9:26:27 AM#32
Originally posted by Vesavius Don't worry the moment you used 'trolling ' argument i also got a sign that it is better to stop now because when people start accusing others for trolling it usually means they have nothing better left to say.' |
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5/05/12 9:32:19 AM#33
Originally posted by Distopia I'm yet to give up hope, but I'm allmost done I think. I play more PnP/TCG than mmo's now, I might stick to it. Funny that, back when I was heavily into that scene in the 90's I thought about how awesome online/mmo games would be post the year 2000. I remember how DAOC and SWG came out and blew peoples minds as what was possible and how these games could get even better in the years to come. Then it all went to shit and we started posting rubbish on forums sounding like grandpas and their "back in my day" stories. The mmo community and the games themselves have fallen very, very, far. |
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5/05/12 9:40:10 AM#34
You have to take a lot of what is said on these forums with a pinch of salt and have a tough skin. Even the columnists get ripped for their own efforts, some are founded some not. An MMO is good or bad by your own standards and should be measured by each individual, what I consider good is not going to be good by a another person, every game is subjective. Then we have trolls and baiters and there are a canny few in this forum believe me. And people like to feed them. Have some of the games been discreditted fairly in the past? yes of course they have, FFXIV and SWtoR were hit with a barrage of hate and I think those games deserved it, though hate is a pretty strong word to use. Has Tera, Rift and GW2 deserved the hate, no I dont and I dont play either of them games, the latter because it hasnt even been released yet. Why has GW2 been hit with hate? I dont know really, my thoughts are its a phsycological issue with them individuals who for reasons I can only make assumptions. Do games get a good review? of course they do. What individuals like yourself need to do is disect the trolling/baiting threads and move onto a constructive discussion, no game will be perfect, WoW has the largest subscriber base of all the games listed, but it doesnt mean its the best game on the market, not for me anyway.
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5/05/12 9:49:44 AM#35
There's nothing wrong with negative reviews of games. If it's bogus, it will be outweighed by the positive reviews -- and we have seen that happen. Yes, sometimes it sounds like there's nothing but negativity, but that's not due to the people who dislike a game wanting to share their opinion with a review, but those with a personal hate agenda constantly flooding threads with their vitriole. It's not so much the content of their message but the repetition of it. They post more in threads about the game they are targeting than the fans do, who support it. And sometimes they do it in just about every thread. If they don't have a thread to post in, they'll make a new one. And all that does is stir up the community, making it defensive and hostile, inviting them to retaliate in other threads about other games. Aside from banning people for weeks and months from specific boards where they continously cause trouble, there's no way to control the troll population. Even then, the subtle ones will still be able to function because they know exactly how to cover themselves in the veil of rational discussion while delivering their barbs. It's always going to be trench warfare around here. But there are other venues for discussion that people can use besides this one. They might be a bit homogeneous, but they will be more civil. Here though, you just have to learn to live with the fireworks. |
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5/05/12 9:52:36 AM#36
The short answerer to your questions is ---------NO! The reasons are not so simple. For eons developers have been trying to make mmo's as good as single player games but for obvious reasons have not been able to, so most people who have played excellent single player games will start an mmo and soon say "what crap", why do they stay? ( actually most move on to another mmo with in 6 months) because of other people. They suffer through the poor game play because misery loves company. Go to any mmo's general chat and what do you hear "this game sucks, or couldn't they fix such and such, or compared to xxxx this game blows" and yet they continue to play because there are other people to complain with. So mmo's are basically inferior products to good single player games and that is why people complain. I also feel that people loose their objectivity on these forums, there are good parts and bad parts to every mmo, but most people come on here and just either totally bash or totally praise a game and that gets other people pissed. When someone tries to be objective on these forums they will get flamed as being wishy washy , it is silly really |
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5/05/12 10:25:40 AM#37
This is a silly question - of course games get good reviews - Read through the reviews section of any of the games here, even the most terrible games, and, you will see good reviews and bad reviews.
If your asking if the entire community comes to consensus on any game then of course not. Anytime you have thousands of people accessing a website and reviewing hundreds of games you are never going to get consensus on anything - movies, games, sports, music, tv shows, none.
You don't come to public forums looking for consensus. Especially public forums based entirely on people's opinions. You have pvper, sandbox lovers, theme park lovers, raid lover, crafters, the casual and hardcore players all reviewing the same games of course your going to get a variety of reviews...duh.. |
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5/06/12 1:39:14 PM#38
I actually like it better when players give a score....I dont listen to the "this game sucks" or "this game is awesome" crowd because they rarely ever give a reason why it sucks or is awesome.......It would be nice if there was a system here where we could rate games based on 10 factors or so...That way there would be a score associated with what is said.....ALso what is gamebreaking in one game for me might not bother someone else, and vice versa. |
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5/06/12 1:43:58 PM#39
in these FORUMS?
what are the chances of lightning striking the same exact spot 4 times in a row?
The members here are a mixed pot,you'll never have everyone on the same page when critiquing an MMO |
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5/06/12 1:50:31 PM#40
From what I have seen, most poeple here are either waiting for their game to launch or for their game to exist. So no. I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less. |
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