Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by SEANMCAD

a lot of the features they are removing and claiming will not work well in an MMO exist in MMOs.
skill based, player housing, FPS as a key example. Cant have vampirism? you must be joking.

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Not all of the features have technical limitations but some are more complex and related to design ie. Vampirism is sensitive to day light cycles which is easy to manage in single player game but hard to manage in real time online world.

 

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Originally posted by SEANMCAD

let me check my bank account...nope, turns out I dont have 20+ million dollars. damn!

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Then stop telling others how to spend theirs +20M...it is their money, not yours.

1. many of the features they are saying are not possible EXIST TODAY IN MANY MMOs!

2. actually I have created player transformation in neverwinters. Yes I understand that is not a massive game but I did it in about 10 minutes.

3. ever think of 'by night player can transform but by day he can not'?

4. build it yourself if you dont like it. logic means nobodo can express themselves about anything at all. Not your neighboor building a chicken farm, not your govement going to war, not the freeway that is being build over your house, nothing. its silly logic

From what I read of this game now, it doesn't sound like what I hoped TESO would be. Rather than think of it as TES, I will think of it as a potential DAOC 2.

Regarding a real TESO, closest things I can think of  in terms of gameplay would be Darkfall 2 (possibly) and maybe Mortal Online. And that's not nearly as close as I would like. 

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Originally posted by jtcgs

Anything short of BETHESDA making an Elder Scrolls game built with online capabilities is going to be a betrayal of the series.

Name me ONE series that had a game made by a DIFFERENT company that did not royally screw it up...and now we are talking about a persistant world online game...

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TESO is not and never was to be a part of TES series. Got it?

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by SEANMCAD

a lot of the features they are removing and claiming will not work well in an MMO exist in MMOs.
skill based, player housing, FPS as a key example. Cant have vampirism? you must be joking.

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Not all of the features have technical limitations but some are more complex and related to design ie. Vampirism is sensitive to day light cycles which is easy to manage in single player game but hard to manage in real time online world.

 

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Originally posted by SEANMCAD

let me check my bank account...nope, turns out I dont have 20+ million dollars. damn!

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Then stop telling others how to spend theirs +20M...it is their money, not yours.

1. many of the features they are saying are not possible EXIST TODAY IN MANY MMOs!

Show me where they said they're not possible... And name me all of these MMO's with that stuff that are good?

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by SEANMCAD

a lot of the features they are removing and claiming will not work well in an MMO exist in MMOs.
skill based, player housing, FPS as a key example. Cant have vampirism? you must be joking.

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Not all of the features have technical limitations but some are more complex and related to design ie. Vampirism is sensitive to day light cycles which is easy to manage in single player game but hard to manage in real time online world.

 

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Originally posted by SEANMCAD

let me check my bank account...nope, turns out I dont have 20+ million dollars. damn!

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Then stop telling others how to spend theirs +20M...it is their money, not yours.

1. many of the features they are saying are not possible EXIST TODAY IN MANY MMOs!

Show me where they said they're not possible... And name me all of these MMO's with that stuff that are good?

'good'???

they wrote a cop-out and anyone with a measureable IQ knows it

'cant make player housing like the fans want it'

what do they mean by 'like they want it'? that is a copout much like your 'good' is.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by SEANMCAD

a lot of the features they are removing and claiming will not work well in an MMO exist in MMOs.
skill based, player housing, FPS as a key example. Cant have vampirism? you must be joking.

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Not all of the features have technical limitations but some are more complex and related to design ie. Vampirism is sensitive to day light cycles which is easy to manage in single player game but hard to manage in real time online world.

 

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Originally posted by SEANMCAD

let me check my bank account...nope, turns out I dont have 20+ million dollars. damn!

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Then stop telling others how to spend theirs +20M...it is their money, not yours.

1. many of the features they are saying are not possible EXIST TODAY IN MANY MMOs!

2. actually I have created player transformation in neverwinters. Yes I understand that is not a massive game but I did it in about 10 minutes.

3. ever think of 'by night player can transform but by day he can not'?

4. build it yourself if you dont like it. logic means nobodo can express themselves about anything at all. Not your neighboor building a chicken farm, not your govement going to war, not the freeway that is being build over your house, nothing. its silly logic

No it is not a silly logic. Just like how you don't need to be a top chef to know that food you are eating tastes horrible. Feel free to tell the cook, this food tastes bad. But that is where criticism should stop.

But if you insist on telling him that you know how to cook a better meal then be ready to go in the kitchen and prove it, to justify your criticism and claims of 'being better'.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Show me where they said they're not possible... And name me all of these MMO's with that stuff that are good?

'good'???

they wrote a cop-out and anyone with a measureable IQ knows it

'cant make player housing like the fans want it'

what do they mean by 'like they want it'? that is a copout much like your 'good' is.

Problem with this is, if I explained what I think they mean "fans want", you'd not even consider it, because that would require an ability to not think you know it all. So why should I bother.

ANd good is key, good is what sets precedent, not bad.

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Originally posted by SEANMCAD

1. many of the features they are saying are not possible EXIST TODAY IN MANY MMOs!
2. actually I have created player transformation in neverwinters. Yes I understand that is not a massive game but I did it in about 10 minutes.
3. ever think of 'by night player can transform but by day he can not'?
4. build it yourself if you dont like it. logic means nobodo can express themselves about anything at all. Not your neighboor building a chicken farm, not your govement going to war, not the freeway that is being build over your house, nothing. its silly logic

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1. You did not provide any quotes nor the game is released nor there is even enough information out there to make qualified judgement, therefore there is little to discuss.

Then again, just because certain features exist in different games does not make it feasible or desired to be implemented into a single game.

2. Eh..so what?

3. Quite losing a point of whole Vampirism thing as day light cycles are vital part of the thing....

4. You mix public interests and private property.

Just because your logic is ill, does not make mine silly.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Show me where they said they're not possible... And name me all of these MMO's with that stuff that are good?

'good'???

they wrote a cop-out and anyone with a measureable IQ knows it

'cant make player housing like the fans want it'

what do they mean by 'like they want it'? that is a copout much like your 'good' is.

Problem with this is, if I explained what I think they mean "fans want", yo'd not even consider it, because that would require an ability to not think you know it all.

becuase its an easy out. when they say 'fans' which fans are they refering to? and no you dont know anymore than I do.

fans dont always agree and they often do come up with some crazy ideas but they are using that as a reason why no housing AT ALL is justified and that is just plain silly.

besides, housing in say star wars gaxay not only existed more than 10 years ago its pretty much considered to be the pennaical of housing.

That said, I would simply go for a slightly modified Darkfall platform (not just housing but everything).

Originally posted by Chrome1980

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by SEANMCAD

a lot of the features they are removing and claiming will not work well in an MMO exist in MMOs.
skill based, player housing, FPS as a key example. Cant have vampirism? you must be joking.

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Not all of the features have technical limitations but some are more complex and related to design ie. Vampirism is sensitive to day light cycles which is easy to manage in single player game but hard to manage in real time online world.

 

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Originally posted by SEANMCAD

let me check my bank account...nope, turns out I dont have 20+ million dollars. damn!

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Then stop telling others how to spend theirs +20M...it is their money, not yours.

1. many of the features they are saying are not possible EXIST TODAY IN MANY MMOs!

2. actually I have created player transformation in neverwinters. Yes I understand that is not a massive game but I did it in about 10 minutes.

3. ever think of 'by night player can transform but by day he can not'?

4. build it yourself if you dont like it. logic means nobodo can express themselves about anything at all. Not your neighboor building a chicken farm, not your govement going to war, not the freeway that is being build over your house, nothing. its silly logic

No it is not a silly logic. Just like how you don't need to be a top chef to know that food you are eating tastes horrible. Feel free to tell the cook, this food tastes bad. But that is where criticism should stop.

But if you insist on telling him that you know how to cook a better meal then be ready to go in the kitchen and prove it, to justify your criticism and claims of 'being better'.

if a chef makes food I do not like I have the freedom to say it. I can say to anyone who will listen 'I am sorry I really dont like the food at X place and here is why'

You are saying I can not

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by SEANMCAD

1. many of the features they are saying are not possible EXIST TODAY IN MANY MMOs!
2. actually I have created player transformation in neverwinters. Yes I understand that is not a massive game but I did it in about 10 minutes.
3. ever think of 'by night player can transform but by day he can not'?
4. build it yourself if you dont like it. logic means nobodo can express themselves about anything at all. Not your neighboor building a chicken farm, not your govement going to war, not the freeway that is being build over your house, nothing. its silly logic

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1. You did not provide any quotes nor the game is released nor there is even enough information out there to make qualified judgement, therefore there is little to discuss.

Then again, just because certain features exist in different games does not make it feasible or desired to be implemented into a single game.

2. Eh..so what?

3. Quite losing a point of whole Vampirism thing as day light cycles are vital part of the thing....

4. You mix public interests and private property.

Just because your logic is ill, does not make mine silly.

 

I dont have a lot of time left this morning. but yes, around 10 mins. It was a long time ago so I am not exactly sure the timing. How did I do that? change the player stats...simple.

Night falls, yout stats change your model changes. its not that hard.

I have to go now but I will say this.

Yes they have a right to make whatever they want and I have the right to tell as many people as I want that its crap and why I think that it is and I have the right to not play it and I assure you in mass many of us will not play it and we will be vocal about it.

Sorry if that seems unfair.

Why bash ESO and not crap like TERA or SW:TOR? Unlike these games, ESO still has a chance to be an innovative game. Just wait and see, if ESO goes in wrong direction, it will be because of those people who create the hype around shallow games like TERA.

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Originally posted by SEANMCAD

I dont have a lot of time left this morning. but yes, around 10 mins. It was a long time ago so I am not exactly sure the timing. How did I do that? change the player stats...simple.
Night falls, yout stats change your model changes. its not that hard.

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It is not only time your are missing, I am afraid...

Try to play Skyrim without Rest button or any other time related feature and tell me how it goes...

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Chrome1980

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by SEANMCAD

a lot of the features they are removing and claiming will not work well in an MMO exist in MMOs.
skill based, player housing, FPS as a key example. Cant have vampirism? you must be joking.

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Not all of the features have technical limitations but some are more complex and related to design ie. Vampirism is sensitive to day light cycles which is easy to manage in single player game but hard to manage in real time online world.

 

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Originally posted by SEANMCAD

let me check my bank account...nope, turns out I dont have 20+ million dollars. damn!

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Then stop telling others how to spend theirs +20M...it is their money, not yours.

1. many of the features they are saying are not possible EXIST TODAY IN MANY MMOs!

2. actually I have created player transformation in neverwinters. Yes I understand that is not a massive game but I did it in about 10 minutes.

3. ever think of 'by night player can transform but by day he can not'?

4. build it yourself if you dont like it. logic means nobodo can express themselves about anything at all. Not your neighboor building a chicken farm, not your govement going to war, not the freeway that is being build over your house, nothing. its silly logic

No it is not a silly logic. Just like how you don't need to be a top chef to know that food you are eating tastes horrible. Feel free to tell the cook, this food tastes bad. But that is where criticism should stop.

But if you insist on telling him that you know how to cook a better meal then be ready to go in the kitchen and prove it, to justify your criticism and claims of 'being better'.

if a chef makes food I do not like I have the freedom to say it. I can say to anyone who will listen 'I am sorry I really dont like the food at X place and here is why'

You are saying I can not

Umm nope, you can tell him why the food sucks..but if you are going to throw in 'and yes i am a chef too' line....please feel free to prove it. Talk is cheap that is all i am saying.

Originally posted by Chrome1980

 

Umm nope, you can tell him why the food sucks..but if you are going to throw in 'and yes i am a chef too' line....please feel free to prove it. Talk is cheap that is all i am saying.

oh I understand it now.

 I am a chef and I have made a meal very close to what he is suggesting and I know exactly how I would go about doing it. But because I havent done it I should not say it.

gotcha!

What the fuck is wrong with you people, all we've seen is a CGI trailer and ONE screenshot. How do you even begin to judge a game from just that? we have no information at all to how the game will play. Fuckin' hell i can't express how stupid you look right now.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by SEANMCAD

I dont have a lot of time left this morning. but yes, around 10 mins. It was a long time ago so I am not exactly sure the timing. How did I do that? change the player stats...simple.
Night falls, yout stats change your model changes. its not that hard.

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It is not only time your are missing, I am afraid...

Try to play Skyrim without Rest button or any other time related feature and tell me how it goes...

again its not that hard and I have for the most part actually done it.

The game engine knows when its night. and we all know your stats can change because it happens in ALL MMO's. So when night, stats change and model changes.

trust me its not that hard. They are coping out.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Chrome1980

 

Umm nope, you can tell him why the food sucks..but if you are going to throw in 'and yes i am a chef too' line....please feel free to prove it. Talk is cheap that is all i am saying.

oh I understand it now.

 I am a chef and I have made a meal very close to what he is suggesting and I know exactly how I would go about doing it. But because I havent done it I should not say it.

gotcha!

Critcising food is not the same as criticisng the method used to cook and ability of the chef. That is why i rolled eyes when you said ' i am a programmer '.  That is when people would stop and think 'show us then, you surely know better'.

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Originally posted by SEANMCAD

again its not that hard and I have for the most part actually done it.
The game engine knows when its night. and we all know your stats can change because it happens in ALL MMO's. So when night, stats change and model changes.
trust me its not that hard. They are coping out.

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Read my previous post again...and again..and eventually again...if you do not get it by then, there is little reason to continue the discussion.