The title should be "Finally someone that has the same point of view as me".

Long story short, the OP is just complaining that his own personal preference (Gear/PvE reward driven content) is not a priority in GW2.

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by DarkPony

Originally posted by VowOfSilence

Originally posted by DarkPony

Friggin' great reviewette from Pokket. My respect for her just surged after watching that. <3

Pokket, if you read this you are entitled one free Pony ride (no whips please). 

Seriously?

Listening to her, i suddenly had to think of the ReplyGirl. That's mean, but i couldn't help it =D

Maybe you can't get past the fact that she's a "hawt gurl"?

I admit I had difficulties with that at first too, but then I tried listening with my actual ears and found that she's surprisingly honest and objective compared to all the prepossessed impressions and write-ups here on mmorpg.com.

I found her "reviewette" to be a bit rushed and she didn't really have reasons for many of the things she talked about :(

I agree with both Kuppa about this review and with Pony about her normally.. she normally does seem to be one the the better female gamer commentators. I dunno maybe its hit or smiss with her but this review and her last live bit was not very good despite some of her past things being pretty good.

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

Last time I said GW2 doesn't have an endgame I got a temp ban for it.

So I'm bit uneasy about answering this topic.

I can however say that the OP is exactly right in that most of the MMO gamers hunger for Gear/Character progression. GW2 has very little of these as you unlock all the weapon skills in few hours and get your favourite set of utilities in the following 5-6 hours. After this you get traits that impact your character and these are followed by ELITE skills at lv30 of which you can choose 1. People don't want to realise this and of course they can't see it since the BWE's are so short but the road rage will start 2-4 weeks after the launch once people have burned to the cap. Cosmetic/Achievement/Exploration junkies are a minority in MMO gamers.

The people who know this and are not looking for anything else (i.e GW1 fans) will enjoy the game but the ignorant ones will get severely burned. Much like happened with SWTOR > hitting cap > nothing to do > rage > return to X mmo. GW2 has structured and WvWvW for those that are interested though.

You won't find many people who think likewise from here because this is the major issue why people are completely disgusted by GW2 and don't want to go near it. 

Having no endgame is the core mechanic of GW2 and people who are looking for an actual endgame and an awesome character/gear progression should head over to The Secret World which launches 19th of june ;)

I think and assume that the main reason you probably almost got banned, was the fact that even you still have not really a clue about GW2 and even you are obviously not interested to it, additional to the fact that you are jumping each and every thread trying to pull the game down, you are also making advertisement for other games trying to pull people away as if someone payed you to do so.

Well, your half hearted "facts" fail to accomplish what you wanted once again because:

- you DON'T have all weapons skills unlocked in a few hours because you need to find, or buy or craft all available weapons of one of your professions. Of course if you ignored everything else and rush into places said weapons are available you would be faster but it will still take you more than few hours to accomplish that.

- after you unlocked all these skills you don't only have traits and elites to unlock.

You have also many support skills that depending on their nature need from 1 to 5 - 6 points to unlock.

Get together so many points will take you definately at least a few days and that if you are only trying to farm skill points.

- you can unlock several elite skills and have a pool to choose from and switch between them whenever you want so it's not only 1 unlocked skill and that's it

- only because people are used on gear over skill types of games, it doesn't mean that a change isn't needed in the mmo world, nor does it mean that change is bad.

How were they even supposed to be able to differentiate if each and every released mmo had only gear progression most of the time?

Exactly, they can't as long as they don't dive in and try things out. People that wanted a change wasn't , nor are they a minority. Most people are rather fed up and bored to see each and ever mmo going the same linear way.

As for PvE i'm totally fine with only cosmetic gear etc.

For PVP all i want is a realm rank system. I don't need to get gear or stuff for it, only a simple ranking system. Maybe trophies or medals i can put in my home instance. That little touch would suffice.

On another point, i read somewhere in a thread while back about ideas to make keeps more intresting, and that's alternative routes into the keep. Like an underwater pathway for example. Forcing the defenders to spread out more.

Don't get me wrong, i will play this game for 5+ years even if NOTHING changes ever, even without expansions. It's that god damn good.

Originally posted by eAzydaman

As for PvE i'm totally fine with only cosmetic gear etc.

For PVP all i want is a realm rank system. I don't need to get gear or stuff for it, only a simple ranking system. Maybe trophies or medals i can put in my home instance. That little touch would suffice.

On another point, i read somewhere in a thread while back about ideas to make keeps more intresting, and that's alternative routes into the keep. Like an underwater pathway for example. Forcing the defenders to spread out more.

Don't get me wrong, i will play this game for 5+ years even if NOTHING changes ever, even without expansions. It's that god damn good.

I'm assuming you haven't heard about Glory or the Tournament system...

Some people should research a game before making claims.

This is my major concern with GW2. Playing for the fun of it can only last so long. There needs to be some kind of reward to keep me playing, even if it's not very much. There needs to be some sort of end game progression. It doesn't have to be gear, it could be something like realm points, or advanced progression, or whatever.

I agree with the OP. I think many people will be abandoning the game soon after release without rewards. I think rewards are a core mechanic of every RPG. Games feel kinda pointless without them.

Originally posted by Aeon

You as a player may not get known by the other team but your guild can capture keeps in WvW that will fly your banners. That may not be as personal but the game is called Guild Wars 2 not Single Dude Who is a Badass 2.  

 DAOC requires far more cooperation than gw2 does between players, unagruable btw. But the spam didn't indicate XXXX is kickass (it might) but more oh crap XXXX guild/ group is out on the field, get ready we are going to be in for a fight.. or their they are (where abouts are they in a general channel , by xx keep) ok your group vs there group gooooo.

Also this falls in line with is 2 weeks long enough time for server v server.. i think it is a bit short. (Maybe too long for the first month or two but i would extend it later, as servers are well matched vs each other).

Originally posted by Requiamer

Here is the point of view of a guild for WvW:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPZHsfa6gEs

 

I think those guys had a quiet different vision of WvW from the girl video the Op is talking about. But they are tons of great video now about WvW, since a lot of groups/guilds now put their video on youtube.

That was pretty sweet.

Originally posted by cloud8521

remember how great old shooters were? guess how many of them you unlocked  items in.

 

 

guess how many people liked cod 1-2

 

guess how long people played that (some still do) do they play because of rewards?

 

hell no 

How many of them require the time investments that MMOs do?

Originally posted by jusomdude

This is my major concern with GW2. Playing for the fun of it can only last so long. There needs to be some kind of reward to keep me playing, even if it's not very much. There needs to be some sort of end game progression. It doesn't have to be gear, it could be something like realm points, or advanced progression, or whatever.

I agree with the OP. I think many people will be abandoning the game soon after release without rewards. I think rewards are a core mechanic of every RPG. Games feel kinda pointless without them.

What's the reward for helping another human being?

Originally posted by Universum

Originally posted by jusomdude
 

What's the reward for helping another human being?

What exactly does that have to do with my post? lol? People aren't gonna stick around because they get some sort of self respect boost for helping someone in a video game.

Originally posted by jusomdude

This is my major concern with GW2. Playing for the fun of it can only last so long. There needs to be some kind of reward to keep me playing, even if it's not very much. There needs to be some sort of end game progression. It doesn't have to be gear, it could be something like realm points, or advanced progression, or whatever.

I agree with the OP. I think many people will be abandoning the game soon after release without rewards. I think rewards are a core mechanic of every RPG. Games feel kinda pointless without them.

There are rewards and gear progression. They are mostly cosmetic though. Which is fine by me and the millions of other GW1 players who enjoyed playing even with mostly cosmetic rewards.

A lot of people are conditioned by years of WoW, and other games like it, to expect a new shiny all the time. They are conditioned like Pavlov's dogs to expect a reward when the bell rings. People are not dogs though and we get stimulated by other things besides physical rewards.

My bad, i'm talking about WvWvW. Forgot to mention that. They should just copy the realm rank system from DAOC, it was perfect.

If playing a game — and this is true for any game not just MMOs — isn't a rewarding enough activity, no rewards will ever be enough to keep people in the game no matter what Devs do.

I have known this site for years and years and years..and this is the first time i bothered to create an account to post.

I havent read every reply to this post but i had to respond.

GW2 is basically the next Jesus, its the new messiah everyone is waiting for and the problem is, 99.9% of the people waiting for it, are uninformed completely or havent played GW1.

All you have to do, is read different gaming forums.

You will read stuff like:

1)"Cant wait for GW2 PvP, WvWvW is gonna be so awesome"

Mistake one right there, you check the post of that guy, you check his signature, PC is a pile of crap from 4 years ago when even back then it was a pile of crap that will barely run GW2, so much to run it in a WvWvW with insane spells everywhere and hunderds around.

2) "I got bored of WoW so i will PvE in GW2"

Mistake two, people assume GW2 will have raids and content patches to add more raids <--This are the completely uninformed retards that will flock the game and create a massive problem.

3)"It will have so many players LOL gonna be next big thing LOL, of course will play it LOL"

As i already said, people view it as the next messiah, the same way they treated SWTOR, and every non-blind fanboy knows how that went.

The problem is that MMO players really have no clue what they want, and cannot understand themselves, how spolit they are.

There are two genres of MMO's, Asian Grinder games, and Western (American) raid ginders MMO, with a random e-sport MMO thrown in there every now and then with a combinaton of both.

Asian grinder game = Leveling is content, takes ages, there are barely any short of content updates, you all know what i mean, combined with Anime and flashy graphics and abilities to hide the lack of actual in-game depth along with insane amounts of farming and time to improve any item.

Western MMO's= WoW/AoC/Rift/SWTOR and others i forget, Max level asap-->Gear up-->Keep chasing gear every few months of actual new content while doing other activities meanwhile the raid times in the form of PvP/Achievements/Something else.

Random E-sport wannabe MMO thrown in there: GW1/Warhammer/GW2.

The problem is, people think GW2 is a full western MMO, when in reality its:

Asian Grinder flashy graphics with Western MMO leveling and an e-sport end game.

Dont get me wrong.Asian grinder graphics are awesome, make the game look better..Western MMO leveling, which is basically level by quests or events, is fun no matter what the game as long as its not tedious "Run for 3 hours to fetch me 5 pieces of meat from that other city" and e-sport end game can be awesome cause its a casual environment.

GW2 is trying the whole "event quest" approach, and some other new stuff to make the world more alive to promote PvP which is awesome, but the end fact remans.

Its endgame is PvP, in hopes of an e-sport PvP, which there hasnt been one for a few years apart from WoW arena.

GW1 sold many copies, it -never- had that many people online as sold copies.

Words around say, 12 million purchases of GW1 stuff, lets assume that with the expansions, if i am not mistaken (I havent played GW1, only played once on friends account back when it came out) there are 3 expanions + main game, aka 4 games, around 3 million different purchases give or take.

Thats still a lot, but no way in hell did GW1 servers ever had that many people online at the same time.

GW1 is a game that you played, explored, did some PvP, log on randomly whenever you remembered cause it was free anyway.

GW2 is gonna be the same.

Perfect, perfect sidegame MMO, but it cant be a main MMO (Unless you are so busy with your life that your gaming is 1 hour per week..)because it simply wont have the content and the gear progression chase.

The main mistake most companies do, is not give people something to chase for.

GW2's main aim is PvP, they need to add a grindy, but not annoying ranking system, make people chase it, that keeps people active and not the usual "OH YEAH, MY FIRST 200 HOURS WERE AWESOME, NOW ITS BORING!" Lets log off and check again in a few months.

This is what most companies arent doing well lately, they arent hiding the grind in other fun stuff.

There is no good open world PvP MMO out there since DaoC (Maybe Eve online, but you have to be  machohist to play that), its been 10 years since then, GW2 has a chance, it depends on how they will use that chance or fail with it.

It is not a main-MMO, but it can be the biggest sidegrade PvP-MMO easily.

TLDR:

People are deluded that GW2 will have raiding and endgame PvE content, others are deluded that their 400$ PC can handle WvWvW PvP when in fact they will barely be able to run around.

GW2 can be a perfect sidegrade PvP-MMO if they manage to do open world and big scale PvP properly cause there hasnt been any MMO like that since DaoC.

It cant be considered a main-MMO because it wont have any sense of gear or character progression, unless they add some PvP ranking system that causes players to chase and chase and chase rewards, always PvP ones obviously since GW2 is aimed to be a PvP game.

Originally posted by potis

I have known this site for years and years and years..and this is the first time i bothered to create an account to post.

I havent read every reply to this post but i had to respond.

GW2 is basically the next Jesus, its the new messiah everyone is waiting for and the problem is, 99.9% of the people waiting for it, are uninformed completely or havent played GW1.

All you have to do, is read different gaming forums.

You will read stuff like:

1)"Cant wait for GW2 PvP, WvWvW is gonna be so awesome"

Mistake one right there, you check the post of that guy, you check his signature, PC is a pile of crap from 4 years ago when even back then it was a pile of crap that will barely run GW2, so much to run it in a WvWvW with insane spells everywhere and hunderds around.

2) "I got bored of WoW so i will PvE in GW2"

Mistake two, people assume GW2 will have raids and content patches to add more raids <--This are the completely uninformed retards that will flock the game and create a massive problem.

3)"It will have so many players LOL gonna be next big thing LOL, of course will play it LOL"

As i already said, people view it as the next messiah, the same way they treated SWTOR, and every non-blind fanboy knows how that went.

 

The problem is that MMO players really have no clue what they want, and cannot understand themselves, how spolit they are.

There are two genres of MMO's, Asian Grinder games, and Western (American) raid ginders MMO, with a random e-sport MMO thrown in there every now and then with a combinaton of both.

Asian grinder game = Leveling is content, takes ages, there are barely any short of content updates, you all know what i mean, combined with Anime and flashy graphics and abilities to hide the lack of actual in-game depth along with insane amounts of farming and time to improve any item.

Western MMO's= WoW/AoC/Rift/SWTOR and others i forget, Max level asap-->Gear up-->Keep chasing gear every few months of actual new content while doing other activities meanwhile the raid times in the form of PvP/Achievements/Something else.

Random E-sport wannabe MMO thrown in there: GW1/Warhammer/GW2.

The problem is, people think GW2 is a full western MMO, when in reality its:

Asian Grinder flashy graphics with Western MMO leveling and an e-sport end game.

Dont get me wrong.Asian grinder graphics are awesome, make the game look better..Western MMO leveling, which is basically level by quests or events, is fun no matter what the game as long as its not tedious "Run for 3 hours to fetch me 5 pieces of meat from that other city" and e-sport end game can be awesome cause its a casual environment.

GW2 is trying the whole "event quest" approach, and some other new stuff to make the world more alive to promote PvP which is awesome, but the end fact remans.

Its endgame is PvP, in hopes of an e-sport PvP, which there hasnt been one for a few years apart from WoW arena.

GW1 sold many copies, it -never- had that many people online as sold copies.

Words around say, 12 million purchases of GW1 stuff, lets assume that with the expansions, if i am not mistaken (I havent played GW1, only played once on friends account back when it came out) there are 3 expanions + main game, aka 4 games, around 3 million different purchases give or take.

Thats still a lot, but no way in hell did GW1 servers ever had that many people online at the same time.

GW1 is a game that you played, explored, did some PvP, log on randomly whenever you remembered cause it was free anyway.

GW2 is gonna be the same.

Perfect, perfect sidegame MMO, but it cant be a main MMO (Unless you are so busy with your life that your gaming is 1 hour per week..)because it simply wont have the content and the gear progression chase.

The main mistake most companies do, is not give people something to chase for.

GW2's main aim is PvP, they need to add a grindy, but not annoying ranking system, make people chase it, that keeps people active and not the usual "OH YEAH, MY FIRST 200 HOURS WERE AWESOME, NOW ITS BORING!" Lets log off and check again in a few months.

This is what most companies arent doing well lately, they arent hiding the grind in other fun stuff.

There is no good open world PvP MMO out there since DaoC (Maybe Eve online, but you have to be  machohist to play that), its been 10 years since then, GW2 has a chance, it depends on how they will use that chance or fail with it.

It is not a main-MMO, but it can be the biggest sidegrade PvP-MMO easily.

 

TLDR:

People are deluded that GW2 will have raiding and endgame PvE content, others are deluded that their 400$ PC can handle WvWvW PvP when in fact they will barely be able to run around.

GW2 can be a perfect sidegrade PvP-MMO if they manage to do open world and big scale PvP properly cause there hasnt been any MMO like that since DaoC.

It cant be considered a main-MMO because it wont have any sense of gear or character progression, unless they add some PvP ranking system that causes players to chase and chase and chase rewards, always PvP ones obviously since GW2 is aimed to be a PvP game.

 

 

If you would have used the time it took you to make this post to actually look anything up about GW2 you would realize how ignorant it sounds.   I am going to guess, since it is your "first" post, that your just a usual troll trying to get your flame on under a different name.  We already know what the game us.  Alot of us have already played.

This is simply amazing. She basically said she enjoyed the game yet found a few areas that could use some work and some here are acting like she crucified the game. Frankly, she gave pretty in depth reasons for her opinions and overall it is quite clear she enjoyed the game.

Some of you need to pull your head out of your asses and realize not every video that doesn't proclaim this game as being the second coming of jesus are slamming the game or that the game in its current condition is perfect or beyond debate on refining some areas.

Wake...the fuck up... you hypocrites. Take advantage of this time to refine matters and hopefully fine tune them even more.

Christ...

Originally posted by Requiamer

Here is the point of view of a guild for WvW:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPZHsfa6gEs

 

I think those guys had a quiet different vision of WvW from the girl video the Op is talking about. But they are tons of great video now about WvW, since a lot of groups/guilds now put their video on youtube.

thanks

Originally posted by potis

It cant be considered a main-MMO because it wont have any sense of gear or character progression, unless they add some PvP ranking system that causes players to chase and chase and chase rewards, always PvP ones obviously since GW2 is aimed to be a PvP game.

Why do people need rewards to chase in the first place? FPS games do not need that, RTS games do not need that, why do MMORPGs need it? I guess it is because MMORPGs have never tried anything else, they've always been based on achieving things.

Main objective of gaming for me is fun. I'd imagine that is same for some others aswell. Achievers have plenty of MMORPG's to choose from so let us who just want to have fun have this one? :)

Originally posted by potis

I have known this site for years and years and years..and this is the first time i bothered to create an account to post.

I havent read every reply to this post but i had to respond.

GW2 is basically the next Jesus, its the new messiah everyone is waiting for and the problem is, 99.9% of the people waiting for it, are uninformed completely or havent played GW1.

Were you aware 99.9% of statistics were made up?

All you have to do, is read different gaming forums.

You will read stuff like:

1)"Cant wait for GW2 PvP, WvWvW is gonna be so awesome"

Mistake one right there, you check the post of that guy, you check his signature, PC is a pile of crap from 4 years ago when even back then it was a pile of crap that will barely run GW2, so much to run it in a WvWvW with insane spells everywhere and hunderds around.

What the hell does that guys pc have to do with anything, or his signature? The sig could be something he hasn't updated in years, or he could be buying a new computer. What's more, it's irrelevant. If he likes the idea of WvWvW and how it's going to work, he likes the idea regardless of whether his pc will run it. Now, if he plays and CAN'T run it because of that PC, he may is disappointed at teh tech requirements. But that says NOTHING about the enjoyability of the combat itself.

 

2) "I got bored of WoW so i will PvE in GW2"

Mistake two, people assume GW2 will have raids and content patches to add more raids <--This are the completely uninformed retards that will flock the game and create a massive problem.

Um...who assumes that? I know for a fact it won't. And THANK GOD I say. You try spending years teaching 9-39 morons to not stand in fire. I'm done with raiding. 

That said, I DO hope they continue adding new content in the form of the massive world bosses, huge events, and new dungeons. That is a concern of mine, but it's something I will have to observe over time.

 

3)"It will have so many players LOL gonna be next big thing LOL, of course will play it LOL"

As i already said, people view it as the next messiah, the same way they treated SWTOR, and every non-blind fanboy knows how that went.

I'll grant this could be worrisome. There is some blind love for the game. But don't make the mistake of thinking all, or even most, of the game's supporters are that dumb. The game's not Jesus, but it still gave me the most fun in one weekend playing an MMO that I have had since the old EQ days. I'll go for that. 

 

There are two genres of MMO's, Asian Grinder games, and Western (American) raid ginders MMO, with a random e-sport MMO thrown in there every now and then with a combinaton of both.

Broad generalizations, I think. We've been seeing a trend in Eastern games to include more story-based content (Aion, Tera) and Western developers have been moving to make combat for flashy and fast-paced. You also ignore games like EVE, City of Heroes, etc that just  upend the whole mess.

 

The problem is, people think GW2 is a full western MMO, when in reality its:

Asian Grinder flashy graphics with Western MMO leveling and an e-sport end game.

Its endgame is PvP, in hopes of an e-sport PvP, which there hasnt been one for a few years apart from WoW arena.

I think you're hyping up the e-sport side too much. WvWvW reminds me more of DAOC's seige combat, or Anarchy Online's 3-way pvp based content in Notum Wars. I think they're going less "profesional e-sport" and more "large-scale immersive battle"

 

GW1 sold many copies, it -never- had that many people online as sold copies.

Name me a game that does. Say WoW, so I can start laughing. Go on....if you think there's 10 million people logging into WoW at any given moment...

 

GW1 is a game that you played, explored, did some PvP, log on randomly whenever you remembered cause it was free anyway.

GW2 is gonna be the same.

Is that a bad thing? A fun, free game that I enjoy and can back to whenever I feel like it? While you're right, GW1 never had 12 million people playing at once, I never felt there were no people online. It never felt like a ghost town.

 

Perfect, perfect sidegame MMO, but it cant be a main MMO (Unless you are so busy with your life that your gaming is 1 hour per week..)because it simply wont have the content and the gear progression chase.

It won't have the gear progression, but whose to say how much content they'll deliver? That's a bold assumption. Now if after some time goes by and we're NOT seeing more content I'll agree with you. But you can't just assume that's going to happen any more than I can assume it isn't. We have to wait and see. As to whether it can be a "main MMO" as you put it...that is entirely up to the individual and how much they enjoy it. People play the hell of of Lague of Legnds for god's sakes, and they barely add new content EVER beyond new characters. Living proof you can play the same map ad nasuem and be happy if the gameplay is fun.

 

 

TLDR:

People are deluded that GW2 will have raiding and endgame PvE content, others are deluded that their 400$ PC can handle WvWvW PvP when in fact they will barely be able to run around.

No, No, and No. I've seen NO ONE that thinks the game is going to have endgame raids. And no proof that anyone with a machine obviously below the tech specs can play.

I'll grant you, last weekend's optomization issues made it clear either Anet needs to make tweaks (which they've said they are doing) or the tech specs might be higher than originally thought. I think the former.I played with a machien that was a beast 4 years ago but past its prime now and was fine. My girlfriend played on a machine that was a beast 6 years ago, but has a dying archaic graphics card. And did just fine.

 

GW2 can be a perfect sidegrade PvP-MMO if they manage to do open world and big scale PvP properly cause there hasnt been any MMO like that since DaoC.

Well, YOU are deluded if you think there's open world pvp. Anet has made it clear their isn't. WvWvW will be large-sacale, but instanced. Which I can live with personally.

 

 

As a supporter of the game, allow me to rebut. Comments in teal.