Trending Games | Star Citizen | Warhammer 40K: Eternal Crusade | Guild Wars 2 | Landmark

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,920,390 Users Online:0
Games:760  Posts:6,311,482
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Angry Birds Epic Anime Ninja Anime Pirates Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Ascend: Hand of Kul Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Boot Hill Heroes Borderlands 2 Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel Bound by Flame Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Bravada Bravely Default Bravely Second Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Cast & Conquer Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Child of Light Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Cyberpunk 2077 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark Souls 2 Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Dead Island Dead Island 2 Dead Island: Riptide Deco Online Deep Down Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Divinity: Original Sin Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Age: Inquisition Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Fin Soup Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Drakengard 3 Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dungeon of the Endless Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout 4 Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Fearless Fantasy Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy Type-0 HD Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken Uprising Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Heart Forth Alicia Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes & Legends: Conquerors of Kolhar Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Atlan Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings Era Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online Kyn L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Redemption LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Grimrock 2 Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Lichdom: Battlemage Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lords of the Fallen Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance Mass Effect 4 MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms Might & Magic X: Legacy MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Moonrise Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mythborne Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Oort Online Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Overwatch Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Persona V Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pillars of Eternity Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints Pokémon X and Y PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Prodigy Project Blackout Project Gorgon Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Project Zomboid Puzzle Pirates Quest for Infamy Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rail Nation Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of Sierra Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Rebel Galaxy Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Risen 3: Titan Lords Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sacred 3 Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Chance Heroes Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow Realms Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowgate Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian South Park: The Stick of Truth Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Conflict Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Starbound Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Stormthrone Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Styx: Master of Shadows Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online TUG Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Terraria Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Banner Saga The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Epic Might The Hammers End The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing 2 The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Torment: Tides of Numenera Total Domination Transformers Universe Transistor Transverse Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Triad Wars Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Warflare Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune Wasteland 2 WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warriors World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenoblade Chronicles: X Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

Guild Wars 2

Guild Wars 2 

General Discussion  » I havent seen PvP like this...

2 Pages 1 2 » Search
24 posts found
  Lord.Bachus

Elite Member

Joined: 5/14/07
Posts: 8871

I believe in life before death... So dont forget to enjoy it while you still can.

 
OP  5/05/12 5:39:56 AM#1

Ever since DAOC.

 

Have you guys seen this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPZHsfa6gEs&feature=relmfu

 

Just incredible how tactical this battle was, so much more then just trying to bash the door, these guys take a heavilly defended camp. they have sepperated teams for delivering supply and use the terrain to their advantage.  Actually it sounds like there is much more tactics involved then in DAoC.

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  Ramanadjinn

Novice Member

Joined: 8/08/11
Posts: 1316

5/05/12 5:43:32 AM#2

for sure a blast.

i loved how i could go it in a small group, solo, or zerg and still get stuff done.

  Zeus.CM

Advanced Member

Joined: 6/13/10
Posts: 1800

www.croatian-maniacs.com

5/05/12 5:55:34 AM#3

That was EPIC! Thanks for the video. WvW is far more complex than I thought.

  ironhelix

Novice Member

Joined: 5/13/08
Posts: 465

5/05/12 6:02:17 AM#4

I like how planning and tactics are used, but I cannot help but feel that, at the end of the day, it all degenerates into a zerg-fest. I will almost certainly give the game a try (having no subscription cost is a key factor in this), but I am metering my expectations. It is difficult to pull off large-scale PvP in games like this, and I am not convinced that they have done it.

EDIT: I also want to add that the excessive use of AOE in that video is a BIG turn-off for a lot of people. I am frightened at how much it looks like Warhammer Online. Warhammer had some good things going for it, but AOE being such a huge part of group PvP was not one of those things.

  Master10K

Apprentice Member

Joined: 10/18/10
Posts: 3086

5/05/12 6:03:56 AM#5

Posted this a while ago but this really is the sort of video that everyone, even the least bit interested, in GW2's WvW must see. My favourite bit was the Mesmer portals.

  drel

Novice Member

Joined: 8/09/09
Posts: 923

5/05/12 6:06:15 AM#6

Thank you! Since there is no beta this weekend, this is the next best thing!

This battble is a perfect example of what makes GW2 so great! So reminisent of DAoC!

  vee41

Novice Member

Joined: 4/25/08
Posts: 191

There is no pie.

5/05/12 6:08:25 AM#7
Originally posted by ironhelix

I like how planning and tactics are used, but I cannot help but feel that, at the end of the day, it all degenerates into a zerg-fest. I will almost certainly give the game a try (having no subscription cost is a key factor in this), but I am metering my expectations. It is difficult to pull off large-scale PvP in games like this, and I am not convinced that they have done it.

EDIT: I also want to add that the excessive use of AOE in that video is a BIG turn-off for a lot of people. I am frightened at how much it looks like Warhammer Online. Warhammer had some good things going for it, but AOE being such a huge part of group PvP was not one of those things.

AOE's hit maxium of 5 targets, so it's not as deadly as it might seem. I share some of your worries though, but this video is epic :)

  Requiamer

Novice Member

Joined: 5/20/05
Posts: 2054

5/05/12 6:13:25 AM#8

Here is an other great video, pure action, not much strategy with siege and Castle involved like in OP vid, but still very interesting from a pure team work perspective. It also let you really see how some comabt aspect of the game work.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbRYEE1k-xk

  Zeroxin

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/21/06
Posts: 2518

My words are not here to sway you,they are here to make you understand.

5/05/12 6:19:56 AM#9

Haha, the Battle for Dreaming Bay. Definitely a movie title.

This is not a game.

  Master10K

Apprentice Member

Joined: 10/18/10
Posts: 3086

5/05/12 6:40:16 AM#10
Originally posted by Zeroxin

Haha, the Battle for Dreaming Bay. Definitely a movie title.

Yeah. All it needs is some Hans Zimmer and it will be perfect. Maybe that's something I'll do come next beta weekend.

  Chrome1980

Novice Member

Joined: 4/14/12
Posts: 523

5/05/12 6:42:17 AM#11

Nice video. Only thing that made me go 'meh' was the AOE, and yes it might hit 5 people at most but since all classes have aoe, so it is not just limited to 5 people.

Other than that looks great fun.

  Requiamer

Novice Member

Joined: 5/20/05
Posts: 2054

5/05/12 6:45:22 AM#12

 



Originally posted by vee41


Originally posted by ironhelix

I like how planning and tactics are used, but I cannot help but feel that, at the end of the day, it all degenerates into a zerg-fest. I will almost certainly give the game a try (having no subscription cost is a key factor in this), but I am metering my expectations. It is difficult to pull off large-scale PvP in games like this, and I am not convinced that they have done it.
EDIT: I also want to add that the excessive use of AOE in that video is a BIG turn-off for a lot of people. I am frightened at how much it looks like Warhammer Online. Warhammer had some good things going for it, but AOE being such a huge part of group PvP was not one of those things.


AOE's hit maxium of 5 targets, so it's not as deadly as it might seem. I share some of your worries though, but this video is epic :)

 

The only problem with aoe imo is visual, it just is visually too much, but from a pure mechanism perspective, this in fact is the best anti zerg system. Once more watch the vid i linked to make sure to understand what i mean. With aoe you can really lock a zone, place an impassable barrier, place group trap and so on, so it bring a lot of strategy for sure. So if you have to criticize a system you also should keep in mind what it really bring to the table.

  ShakyMo

Apprentice Member

Joined: 11/21/11
Posts: 7246

5/05/12 6:50:43 AM#13
To add in warhammer - aoe was a good tactic for mid ranking guilds vs pugs.

Top guilds did not use bomb groups, they played / specced in a way to beat bomb groups.
  tavoc

Novice Member

Joined: 10/22/08
Posts: 262

5/05/12 6:52:44 AM#14

I played in wvwvw durring beta weekend. I have to say looking at it threw a video and playing it is a completely diferent expeciance. The best part is, actualy playing it is by far more exiting. I barely have any complaints about the game but seriously this secrion of the game took the cake.. started WvWvW with the sun up saying  "yeah ill give this a shot before getting back to running events".. Well the sun went down.. then came up again and i was still stuck inside the battle and barely noticed the time. Yeah thats right, i was in the WvWvW from about 7 pm est to 6:30 am est and barely noticed.. i was having WAY too much fun.

  Lord.Bachus

Elite Member

Joined: 5/14/07
Posts: 8871

I believe in life before death... So dont forget to enjoy it while you still can.

 
OP  5/05/12 7:40:23 AM#15
Originally posted by ironhelix

EDIT: I also want to add that the excessive use of AOE in that video is a BIG turn-off for a lot of people. I am frightened at how much it looks like Warhammer Online. Warhammer had some good things going for it, but AOE being such a huge part of group PvP was not one of those things.

Well, the way AoE  works, just keep out of the circles... AoE can be survived.

 

Focussed single target fire is much harder to survive. Remember the assist trains in some PvP games... You where dead when being targetted. The AoE tactics is probably just the easiest tactic for zergs, try to overcome it and you are a winner.

 

This is just the tip of the iceberg, i think that tactics will change during the game same as flavour of the month classes in other games.

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  Homitu

Novice Member

Joined: 10/01/09
Posts: 2045

5/05/12 7:48:27 AM#16
Originally posted by ironhelix

I like how planning and tactics are used, but I cannot help but feel that, at the end of the day, it all degenerates into a zerg-fest. I will almost certainly give the game a try (having no subscription cost is a key factor in this), but I am metering my expectations. It is difficult to pull off large-scale PvP in games like this, and I am not convinced that they have done it.

EDIT: I also want to add that the excessive use of AOE in that video is a BIG turn-off for a lot of people. I am frightened at how much it looks like Warhammer Online. Warhammer had some good things going for it, but AOE being such a huge part of group PvP was not one of those things.

An unorganized purely zerg group would have never pulled off that keep siege.  

Yes, combat involving 50+ players on each side looks chaotic.  But massive numbers of players =/= zerg. Aoe does have a prominant role as well (though each AoE can hit no more than 5 players at once,) but there are also dozens of objectives perfectly suitable for smaller infiltration groups, such as the capturing of various supply points, the transportation of supply and the elimnation of supply caravans headed toward a keep you are sieging.  More than anything else though, it seems vital to build, properly place, and defend the various siege weapons, which just seems to broaden the scope of the warfare and pave the way for massive group tactics.  

  Valkaern

Novice Member

Joined: 7/23/03
Posts: 513

5/05/12 8:08:51 AM#17

As much as I loved DAoC, there just seemed to be so many more options in WvW in terms of activities that were productive for all group sizes. There's also the fact that DAoC eventually also devolved into 8 man groups chain assisting people down as a primary activity and the whole 'Whoever gets mez off first wins' deal. Taking and defending keeps was great fun in DAoC, but  they'd kind of let the rest of the battlefield play out in a way that wasn't as enjoyable for me.

Whether it was highjacking a Dolyak caravan (or guarding one on its route), taking out a supply post, taking down NPC invaders they'd sent our way or helping the main force, there just always seemed to be some area of the battle I could effect depending on the size of the group I ended up in. I still have a lot to learn about the details of it all, but so far it's been a lot of fun.

  Lord.Bachus

Elite Member

Joined: 5/14/07
Posts: 8871

I believe in life before death... So dont forget to enjoy it while you still can.

 
OP  5/05/12 8:36:30 AM#18
Originally posted by Valkaern

As much as I loved DAoC, there just seemed to be so many more options in WvW in terms of activities that were productive for all group sizes. There's also the fact that DAoC eventually also devolved into 8 man groups chain assisting people down as a primary activity and the whole 'Whoever gets mez off first wins' deal. Taking and defending keeps was great fun in DAoC, but  they'd kind of let the rest of the battlefield play out in a way that wasn't as enjoyable for me.

Whether it was highjacking a Dolyak caravan (or guarding one on its route), taking out a supply post, taking down NPC invaders they'd sent our way or helping the main force, there just always seemed to be some area of the battle I could effect depending on the size of the group I ended up in. I still have a lot to learn about the details of it all, but so far it's been a lot of fun.

Do people even remember the biggest source of AoE damage in DAoC was PBAoE.  

 

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  Valkaern

Novice Member

Joined: 7/23/03
Posts: 513

5/05/12 9:26:19 AM#19
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Originally posted by Valkaern

As much as I loved DAoC, there just seemed to be so many more options in WvW in terms of activities that were productive for all group sizes. There's also the fact that DAoC eventually also devolved into 8 man groups chain assisting people down as a primary activity and the whole 'Whoever gets mez off first wins' deal. Taking and defending keeps was great fun in DAoC, but  they'd kind of let the rest of the battlefield play out in a way that wasn't as enjoyable for me.

Whether it was highjacking a Dolyak caravan (or guarding one on its route), taking out a supply post, taking down NPC invaders they'd sent our way or helping the main force, there just always seemed to be some area of the battle I could effect depending on the size of the group I ended up in. I still have a lot to learn about the details of it all, but so far it's been a lot of fun.

Do people even remember the biggest source of AoE damage in DAoC was PBAoE.  

 

What I do remember is not fearing PBAoEs at all as a ranged class.

Yeah, it was a big source of damage...at doors where it was usually spammed. As a ranged class in DAoC it wasn't nearly the threat other ranged attacks were, as not being in PBAoEs was something you continually avoided as much as possible. 

Naturally they did more damage as they were harder to get off reliably.

Edit: Also, I'm not exactly sure what point that's making, if you don't mind clarifying.

  Lord.Bachus

Elite Member

Joined: 5/14/07
Posts: 8871

I believe in life before death... So dont forget to enjoy it while you still can.

 
OP  5/05/12 10:04:25 AM#20
Originally posted by Valkaern
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Originally posted by Valkaern

As much as I loved DAoC, there just seemed to be so many more options in WvW in terms of activities that were productive for all group sizes. There's also the fact that DAoC eventually also devolved into 8 man groups chain assisting people down as a primary activity and the whole 'Whoever gets mez off first wins' deal. Taking and defending keeps was great fun in DAoC, but  they'd kind of let the rest of the battlefield play out in a way that wasn't as enjoyable for me.

Whether it was highjacking a Dolyak caravan (or guarding one on its route), taking out a supply post, taking down NPC invaders they'd sent our way or helping the main force, there just always seemed to be some area of the battle I could effect depending on the size of the group I ended up in. I still have a lot to learn about the details of it all, but so far it's been a lot of fun.

Do people even remember the biggest source of AoE damage in DAoC was PBAoE.  

 

What I do remember is not fearing PBAoEs at all as a ranged class.

Yeah, it was a big source of damage...at doors where it was usually spammed. As a ranged class in DAoC it wasn't nearly the threat other ranged attacks were, as not being in PBAoEs was something you continually avoided as much as possible. 

Naturally they did more damage as they were harder to get off reliably.

Edit: Also, I'm not exactly sure what point that's making, if you don't mind clarifying.

 

It was just one of the viable 8v8 and keep defence tactics. And i am sure that GW2 which has much more tactical possibilities will grow past the AoE only battle. Espescially the skilled will quickly move on, but maybe AoE may still be the first and major weapon of the unedicated forces.

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

2 Pages 1 2 » Search