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  kingotnw

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5/04/12 11:54:30 PM#21
Originally posted by morlock9

Welcome to next week's headline across the gaming community.

Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.

With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".

At a time when most MMO's benifit from exciting announcments, ESO is already being heralded as a falure for lack of vision. This appears to be the most negatively received "reveal" in the history of the modern MMORPG.         
 

Makes no sense at all...

 

Final Fantasy Online games are far different than their console versions and there is tons of those game...

 

UO is very different from the crap ton of the offline Ultima Games...

 

WoW is different than the original Warcraft games...

 

...and on and on... It's an MMORPG. Certain features are not 'optional'. 

  jusomdude

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5/04/12 11:56:30 PM#22
Originally posted by remyburke

Let me guess. Someone stole your sweet roll.

After seeing the "features" of this game, they seem to have stolen mine as well................

They didn't just steal my roll they also pissed in my cheerios.

  Xzen

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5/04/12 11:57:20 PM#23
Originally posted by kingotnw
Originally posted by morlock9

Welcome to next week's headline across the gaming community.

Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.

With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".

At a time when most MMO's benifit from exciting announcments, ESO is already being heralded as a falure for lack of vision. This appears to be the most negatively received "reveal" in the history of the modern MMORPG.         
 

Makes no sense at all...

 

Final Fantasy Online games are far different than their console versions and there is tons of those game...

 

UO is very different from the crap ton of the offline Ultima Games...

 

WoW is different than the original Warcraft games...

 

...and on and on... It's an MMORPG. Certain features are not 'optional'. 

Well I think the problem is at this point Dark Fall seems to be more of what people would expect an ES mmo to play like than ESO. I am not talking about the sandbox elements or FFA PvP.

  DAS1337

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5/04/12 11:57:23 PM#24

Like I've said, people were going to be upset no matter what Zenimax decided to do from a design aspect.  A lot of the TES games just don't translate well to the MMO genre.  Some things were going to have to be changed for the greater good. 

 

Personally, I'm fine with a lot of the changes.  Though, I'm not sure about the faction play.  Though, in order to stay true to the racism in TES games, factions had to be made.  The players aren't going to actually roleplay that kind of stuff.  I'm very upset over the exclusion of player housing.  Yet again, another development team has swung and missed on the importance of player property within a game space.  It's truely sad.  The only TES game I could get into was Skyrim.  I absolutely hate FPV.  For me, it breaks immersion.  It is just as unrealistic as TPV.  You have no peripheral vision in FPV games.  That and most people don't like it in MMO's because you can't keep track of your surroundings.  Yet 'PvP' games love to adopt the viewpoint, then proceed to wonder why no one wants to play their game.  It's laughable.  I'm just hoping it isn't TOO MUCH like WoW.  There's a reason I'm not playing WoW.  If ESO doesn't distinguish itself from what we've seen over and over again, I'm not even going to waste my time.

  Gdemami

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5/04/12 11:58:27 PM#25


You gotta love loud minorities...

  bcbully

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5/04/12 11:59:19 PM#26
Originally posted by colddog04

I blame SWTOR.

This is truer than some might believe. 

Blame WoW 4 years ago the whole world thought that game would grow forever. That that model could not lose. I damn near think someone did it on purpose.

side note - Look how good Trion world looks. Timing is everything. How the heck did they get that game out so quick at just the right time for a fraction of the budget. 

  Nitth

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5/05/12 12:00:18 AM#27


Originally posted by kingotnw
It's an MMORPG. Certain features are not 'optional'. 

Bull.


Originally posted by DAS1337
Like I've said, people were going to be upset no matter what Zenimax decided to do from a design aspect.  A lot of the TES games just don't translate well to the MMO genre.  Some things were going to have to be changed for the greater good. 

Most things can be. They just don't because its not going to help profits.


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  NomadMorlock

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OP  5/05/12 12:03:15 AM#28
Originally posted by Gdemami


You gotta love loud minorities...

 

Usually I would back you on this one.  But not this time.  I know many of the typicaly silent majority who want to be heard over this one.

  BeansnBread

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5/05/12 12:04:47 AM#29
Originally posted by firefly2003
Originally posted by colddog04

I blame SWTOR.

Blame WoW

I blame SWTOR for the reaction, not the game design.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  Gdemami

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5/05/12 12:07:23 AM#30


Originally posted by morlock9

Usually I would back you on this one.  But not this time.  I know many of the typicaly silent majority who want to be heard over this one.

It is easy.

I do not think that console gamers care about MMOs much and it was console sales making Skyrim so successful, PC sales are just a tiny fraction of the sales.

Therefore this "fan" base is really tiny and focusing on them would be unreasonable.


They are just loud, that's all.

  NomadMorlock

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OP  5/05/12 12:10:19 AM#31
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by morlock9

Usually I would back you on this one.  But not this time.  I know many of the typicaly silent majority who want to be heard over this one.


 

It is easy.

I do not think that console gamers care about MMOs much and it was console sales making Skyrim so successful, PC sales are just a tiny fraction of the sales.

Therefore this "fan" base is really tiny and focusing on them would be unreasonable.


They are just loud, that's all.

That's my point.  Not only are the console gamers disapointed, the MMO players reaction has been disapointment as well.

If you think that console gamers are not upset just take a look at http://forums.bethsoft.com/forum/190-elder-scrolls-online-general-discussion/

  Gdemami

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5/05/12 12:13:16 AM#32


Originally posted by morlock9

That's my point.  Not only are the console gamers disapointed, the MMO players reaction has been disapointment as well.

You did not get the point.

Console gamers are not disappointed, they do not give a damn about MMOs. The one disappointed are PC gamers and those are tiny minority of Skyrim or TES franchise scucess.

  comic1973

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5/05/12 12:31:42 AM#33

Never trust another MMORPG again after SWTOR

  xenogias

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5/05/12 12:59:12 AM#34
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by morlock9

That's my point.  Not only are the console gamers disapointed, the MMO players reaction has been disapointment as well.


 

You did not get the point.

Console gamers are not disappointed, they do not give a damn about MMOs. The one disappointed are PC gamers and those are tiny minority of Skyrim or TES franchise scucess.

You do realize you just made your own argument invalid right? If the console gamers dont give a damn about MMO's then by default PC gamers are not the minority but the majority when it comes to an opinion based off....oh thats right an MMO. With what you are saying console gamers should be ignored since they dont give a crap about the game in question in the first place.

By the way its NOT just PC gamers not happy about what they have heard.  I've had a few friends that have played morrowind, oblivion, and skyrim exclusivly on console rage about what they have heard. Mainly because they to want a multiplayer TES game and what little information we have didnt sound anything like TES to them.

So I guess really YOU do not get the point. For alot of us complaining the words "Classes" and "WoW based combat" was enough to turn us off since TES is NOT based around classes at all nor has it ever been hotbar/turnbased combat.

  gaeanprayer

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5/05/12 1:01:58 AM#35
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by morlock9

That's my point.  Not only are the console gamers disapointed, the MMO players reaction has been disapointment as well.


 

You did not get the point.

Console gamers are not disappointed, they do not give a damn about MMOs. The one disappointed are PC gamers and those are tiny minority of Skyrim or TES franchise scucess.

Console gamers care plenty about MMOs, and have since they started appearing on the consoles. You can thank games like DCUO for that.

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  Gdemami

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5/05/12 1:06:14 AM#36


Originally posted by xenogias

You do realize you just made your own argument invalid right?

It is not invalid.

If console gamers did care about MMOs, there would be a fairly large fan base for TES MMO.
If console gamers do not care about MMOs, the fan base is tiny.

It is in absolute numbers as well as relatively to non-fan potential customer base.

  jusomdude

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5/05/12 1:09:46 AM#37

Maybe they are aiming more for console players who have probably played less MMOs and aren't tired of the same 'ol crap?

If so, they can choke on it.

 

Anyways the thing about console players not caring much is kinda invalid because the majority of MMO players are PC users so that is their target audience, so that is who they should be more concerned with.

  gaeanprayer

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5/05/12 1:10:38 AM#38
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by colddog04

I blame SWTOR.

I blame years of dreaming and expectation. It's sad that a Dev team can't strike out to find it's own identity, and be acknowledged good or bad for what it is rather than what it's not.

I just mean that SWTOR changed the way a lot of people view releases now - independant of actual quality of game. If SWTOR never came out, I think the news about the systems in place wouldn't have been taken so harshly. People see another clone instead of another game.

 

Although, for me personally, I am fairly disappointed by what I've seen. I feel like they aren't really bringing anything to the table we haven't seen. And it does feel like they are falling into a lot of old MMORPG tropes.

I don't see this game going over well, because I don't see fans allowing it to be taken seriously. It is, in truth, a huge departure from what TES games have until now promoted in their gameplay, so I'm sort of laughing at anyone who's surprised at the bickering this has caused. I think people should have seen it coming; you don't have to agree with something to understand it.

But depending on how the other systems work out, it might be a big enough draw to pull in some gamers that don't necessarily follow or are a fan of the prior TES games. If that happens, I doubt Xenimax cares about the anger of people who are fans of the series, especially since Bethesda has nothing to do with it and is free to continue creating single player TES games to their heart's content. As I'm sure they will.

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  Banquetto

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5/05/12 2:20:57 AM#39
Ever since Skyrim launched, there has been an absolute non-stop cavalcade of people saying "omg I WISH they would make an Elder Scrolls MMO!!" Now, they announce one and everyone is crying like little babies and making hysterical proclamations like "biggest slap in the face EVER!" Well, screw gamers, every day that passes I get more and more embarrassed to be a part of this pathetic subculture of whiners and complainers. Bugger off and do something else if you hate gaming so much.
  Divion

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5/05/12 2:27:27 AM#40

According to :

http://www.examiner.com/article/the-elder-scrolls-online-what-we-know-so-far

 

IT appears the lore also is contradicting itself, way to fail!

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