Originally posted by Sovrath

 

It's not that they can't put housing in. I repeat: IT'S NOT THAT THEY CAN'T PUT HOUSING IN.

It's that in order to put housing into the game in a way that elders scrolls players have have been used to; i.e. having their own house, is just too difficult to manage in a game where thousands of players are going to want their own plots. And of course that leaves the thousands of players who have their own plots and then intermittently leave the game thus leaving huge empty graveyards of houses.

Of course they could have adopted the EQ2 or LOTRO mode of doing it but that would have resulted in an equal number of screams.

I'm as much dissapointed in the directoin they took this game but it's not that their explanations don't make sense. They do. What they've done is taken the elderscrolls games and converted them to mmo sensibilities. Part of this makes sense because these games cost so much to make they have to make their money back. And part of it is that some things just don't work in an mmo settting.

But this is not a surprise to me. I've always suspected that any Elderscrolls game turned mmo was going to suffer in the translation.

 

Star Wars Galaxies, a decade ago, had player housing and cities.  Multiple lay outs, multiple styles.  Houses for rich and for poor.  City building like shuttle ports, banks and guild halls.  All of which could be customized and decorated to your heart's content.  Yeah, too hard.  LOL.

Originally posted by severius

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

It's not that they can't put housing in. I repeat: IT'S NOT THAT THEY CAN'T PUT HOUSING IN.

It's that in order to put housing into the game in a way that elders scrolls players have have been used to; i.e. having their own house, is just too difficult to manage in a game where thousands of players are going to want their own plots. And of course that leaves the thousands of players who have their own plots and then intermittently leave the game thus leaving huge empty graveyards of houses.

Of course they could have adopted the EQ2 or LOTRO mode of doing it but that would have resulted in an equal number of screams.

I'm as much dissapointed in the directoin they took this game but it's not that their explanations don't make sense. They do. What they've done is taken the elderscrolls games and converted them to mmo sensibilities. Part of this makes sense because these games cost so much to make they have to make their money back. And part of it is that some things just don't work in an mmo settting.

But this is not a surprise to me. I've always suspected that any Elderscrolls game turned mmo was going to suffer in the translation.

 

Star Wars Galaxies, a decade ago, had player housing and cities.  Multiple lay outs, multiple styles.  Houses for rich and for poor.  City building like shuttle ports, banks and guild halls.  All of which could be customized and decorated to your heart's content.  Yeah, too hard.  LOL.

ANd it was a pain in the ass to maintain, maybe they don't want to deal with 100,000 defunct homes somewhere down the road? Sovarth said it pretty well above. Sure they can do it, doesn't mean they should. They could also do it instanced style (EQ2) where 100,000 share the smae house model in the world. it makes perfect sense to me why they don't want to do it.

Originally posted by Teala

We know next to nothing about the game yet.  What type of combat system does it have?  Is there crafting?  What will the PvP be like?   How big is the game world.  How can anyone possibly judge a game when so very little information, other than it is being made with the Hero Engine and might be a themepark based gam.   We really do not know a lot about it.

Combat is tab target, hotbar ability system, with finese build up for use of an elite skill all in third person.

PVP The three factions:

- Argonians, Nords and Dunmer

- Khajiit, Altmer and Bosmer

- Redguard, Bretons and Orcs

Elsewyr, Summerset Isle and Skyrim  also Cyrodiil will be the main Player versus Player area.

Crafting, alchemy, and soul gems will be included.

http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mission/2012/05/04/some-elder-scrolls-online-details-to-pair-with-that-new-trailer/

http://news.softpedia.com/news/ZeniMax-Offers-World-and-Mechanics-Details-on-The-Elder-Scrolls-Online-267715.shtml

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1354953/elder_scrolls_online_preview_details_pvp_quests_combat_factions.html

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/05/04/elder-scrolls-online-leaks-flood-the-web/

Originally posted by Sovrath

While I"m dissapointed at the 100 vs 100 battles for keeps, I have to say you are way off in your assessment fo "Skyrim Level graphics".

I can't name one game (and yes I'm thinking of AoC and even Tera to a certain extent) that has Skyrim level graphics. In Tera's beta they ran a stress test event where as many players thta cuold come could participate in an invasion of the main city.

Now, I'm running a veyr good rig and I still had to turn my graphhics down to even hope to participate. Tera's "graphics" (not talking art design) are not as good as skyrim's graphics. Sorry but we are not there yet.

 

The technology can support it. I dont know if HERO engine can (apparently not).

But if the landscapes are generic, how the hell are we supposed to enjoy one of the main themes in ES games, exploration? It's one thing running around in the woods and exploring every nook and cranny in the terrain because it's there to explore, and another to be running in above-average-but-still-generic fantasy settings with a bit of foliage here and Speedtree there. It just doesn't cut it.

And the level of world detail was one of ES series' strongest selling points. Can't have ES Online without that.

Originally posted by severius

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

It's not that they can't put housing in. I repeat: IT'S NOT THAT THEY CAN'T PUT HOUSING IN.

It's that in order to put housing into the game in a way that elders scrolls players have have been used to; i.e. having their own house, is just too difficult to manage in a game where thousands of players are going to want their own plots. And of course that leaves the thousands of players who have their own plots and then intermittently leave the game thus leaving huge empty graveyards of houses.

Of course they could have adopted the EQ2 or LOTRO mode of doing it but that would have resulted in an equal number of screams.

I'm as much dissapointed in the directoin they took this game but it's not that their explanations don't make sense. They do. What they've done is taken the elderscrolls games and converted them to mmo sensibilities. Part of this makes sense because these games cost so much to make they have to make their money back. And part of it is that some things just don't work in an mmo settting.

But this is not a surprise to me. I've always suspected that any Elderscrolls game turned mmo was going to suffer in the translation.

 

Star Wars Galaxies, a decade ago, had player housing and cities.  Multiple lay outs, multiple styles.  Houses for rich and for poor.  City building like shuttle ports, banks and guild halls.  All of which could be customized and decorated to your heart's content.  Yeah, too hard.  LOL.

Did you not read?

And yes, SWG did. And what happened? Landscapes dotted with empty houses. This is the issue the are addressing. Not that it can't be done but to do it in a way that doesn't create a wasteland that eventually has to be dealth with by the devlopers is too difficult. And difficult was probably not the right word: Problmatic.

Again "not that it can't be done" And elderscrolls fans want their own plot, they want their own house. At lesat that is how it's done in the elderscrolls games.

Here, I'll try again:

It's that in order to put housing into the game in a way that elders scrolls players have have been used to; i.e. having their own house, is just too difficult to manage in a game where thousands of players are going to want their own plots. And of course that leaves the thousands of players who have their own plots and then intermittently leave the game thus leaving huge empty graveyards of houses.

Of course they could have adopted the EQ2 or LOTRO mode of doing it but that would have resulted in an equal number of screams.

but with that mindset, every player that is not crowned emperor will likewise rage and quit. Can't please all the people in an MMO. And it's the scarcity of some elements that gives value to those elements.

Originally posted by Galadourn

but with that mindset, every player that is not crowned emperor will likewise rage and quit. Can't please all the people in an MMO. And it's the scarcity of some elements that gives value to those elements.

Well I say good to that. It's about time these games (in my opinion) stopped making it so that everyone can be their own special queen of the prom.

Seriously...people...are you really making posts about this now?

Get over yourselves and see what will come. Stop making post JUST to make posts about thing s YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT!!!

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by severius

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

It's not that they can't put housing in. I repeat: IT'S NOT THAT THEY CAN'T PUT HOUSING IN.

It's that in order to put housing into the game in a way that elders scrolls players have have been used to; i.e. having their own house, is just too difficult to manage in a game where thousands of players are going to want their own plots. And of course that leaves the thousands of players who have their own plots and then intermittently leave the game thus leaving huge empty graveyards of houses.

Of course they could have adopted the EQ2 or LOTRO mode of doing it but that would have resulted in an equal number of screams.

I'm as much dissapointed in the directoin they took this game but it's not that their explanations don't make sense. They do. What they've done is taken the elderscrolls games and converted them to mmo sensibilities. Part of this makes sense because these games cost so much to make they have to make their money back. And part of it is that some things just don't work in an mmo settting.

But this is not a surprise to me. I've always suspected that any Elderscrolls game turned mmo was going to suffer in the translation.

 

Star Wars Galaxies, a decade ago, had player housing and cities.  Multiple lay outs, multiple styles.  Houses for rich and for poor.  City building like shuttle ports, banks and guild halls.  All of which could be customized and decorated to your heart's content.  Yeah, too hard.  LOL.

Did you not read?

And yes, SWG did. And what happened? Landscapes dotted with empty houses. This is the issue the are addressing. Not that it can't be done but to do it in a way that doesn't create a wasteland that eventually has to be dealth with by the devlopers is too difficult. And difficult was probably not the right word: Problmatic.

Again "not that it can't be done" And elderscrolls fans want their own plot, they want their own house. At lesat that is how it's done in the elderscrolls games.

Here, I'll try again:

It's that in order to put housing into the game in a way that elders scrolls players have have been used to; i.e. having their own house, is just too difficult to manage in a game where thousands of players are going to want their own plots. And of course that leaves the thousands of players who have their own plots and then intermittently leave the game thus leaving huge empty graveyards of houses.

Of course they could have adopted the EQ2 or LOTRO mode of doing it but that would have resulted in an equal number of screams.

 

That was because they turned off decay/maintenence. It wasnt the actual implementation of housing itself, but SOEs method for dealing with cancelled accounts

Originally posted by Kinchyle

Seriously...people...are you really making posts about this now?

Get over yourselves and see what will come. Stop making post JUST to make posts about thing s YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT!!!

Apparently the article doesn't exist guys, it's all good.

Originally posted by PyrateLV

 

That was because they turned off decay/maintenence. It wasnt the actual implementation of housing itself, but SOEs method for dealing with cancelled accounts

in which case that is what any open world housing solutioin should have. decay maitenance.

But i suspect tht our friends at Zenimax find it too labor intensive to create plots upon plots for mmo housing.

Originally posted by Indol

Originally posted by Kinchyle

Seriously...people...are you really making posts about this now?

Get over yourselves and see what will come. Stop making post JUST to make posts about thing s YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT!!!

Apparently the article doesn't exist guys, it's all good.

It's all good for those of us who wait and see...not get what we want out of an article and come here to spew BS (all in a normal day here). Nothing in that article tells me anything but "wait and see". Sorry you have an agenda...

Sorry I'll be playing Guild Wars 2 :p

Still, I suppose this could be good especially if it gets an M rating like the other Elder Scrolls.. then it may actually have a solid place in the MMO space. Assuming they stick to their roots and dont stray too much..

Originally posted by Xzen

Based on the info we have. No I will not play it.

If I had to make an early prediction, that would be it.

But since we're at least a couple of years out...everyone's making wild guesses anyway.

Originally posted by Indol

Originally posted by Kinchyle

Seriously...people...are you really making posts about this now?

Get over yourselves and see what will come. Stop making post JUST to make posts about thing s YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT!!!

Apparently the article doesn't exist guys, it's all good.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=472749

Heh I wish that 20 page game infomer arcticle didn't exist.

Originally posted by nilden

Originally posted by Indol

Originally posted by Kinchyle

Seriously...people...are you really making posts about this now?

Get over yourselves and see what will come. Stop making post JUST to make posts about thing s YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT!!!

Apparently the article doesn't exist guys, it's all good.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=472749

Heh I wish that 20 page game infomer arcticle didn't exist.

I read it...and?

I really want to know what you people here think will be a good game. Seems like every game gets the same treatment.

I for one have brainpower above a bag of wet hair. So I wait and see...play and THEN give an opinion.

Stick to there roots and it will have millions of players go themepark ala WoW/TOR style and it will fail misrable if the true Elder Scrolls fans are real fans of Elder Scroll solo games thats to be seen in near future offcorse, they will not play a cheap thempark pile of shit.

Originally posted by Kinchyle

Originally posted by nilden

Originally posted by Indol

Originally posted by Kinchyle

Seriously...people...are you really making posts about this now?

Get over yourselves and see what will come. Stop making post JUST to make posts about thing s YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT!!!

Apparently the article doesn't exist guys, it's all good.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=472749

Heh I wish that 20 page game infomer arcticle didn't exist.

I read it...and?

I really want to know what you people here think will be a good game. Seems like every game gets the same treatment.

I for one have brainpower above a bag of wet hair. So I wait and see...play and THEN give an opinion.

You don't have to walk through pile after pile of dog shit to know it's shit.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by PyrateLV

 

That was because they turned off decay/maintenence. It wasnt the actual implementation of housing itself, but SOEs method for dealing with cancelled accounts

in which case that is what any open world housing solutioin should have. decay maitenance.

But i suspect tht our friends at Zenimax find it too labor intensive to create plots upon plots for mmo housing.

 

Decay never destroyed a house anyway, all it did was bar entry.

Originally posted by PyrateLV

 

That was because they turned off decay/maintenence. It wasnt the actual implementation of housing itself, but SOEs method for dealing with cancelled accounts

Decay only hindered entrance to a home. For a simple reason, a home was more or less a bank vault. Destroying a home meant destroying most of what someone aquirred in the game. Doing so would be a disaster for a dev house. Just because someone cancelled doesn't mean they're not coming back.