Originally posted by Johnie-Marz

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Johnie-Marz

The problem is, the hard core Sandboxers have gone to extremes when defining what a  Sandbox is, so that if a game truely had all thing elements that they define as "Sandbox," it would either be totally unplayable; or it would be "Second Life" and not really a game at all.

 

 

Not at all, there's no extreme here, the only thing is, TES has never really offered (in package) what consititutes the key to the word sandbox, world related creation and tools for it. There are other descriptors made that apply much more to what TES is, non-linear, freee roaming, open-ended, and yes even IMO themepark in some regard (themepark doesn't exactly mean linear, it's in reference to themed rides which TES has in spades).

You can have all that TES is and not be a sandbox, you can have all that TES is and be a sandbox, with a few additions. This is my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

Well since we now have that subject covered. The next one is, Will the Elder Scroll game give us the freedom that the single player did Or, at the very least, as much freedom as they can given the multiplayer restrictions. I am worried that the Elder Scrolls game will be "Elder Scrolls" in name only. 

Who knows at this point, TBH right now I"m far more interested in the lore richness of the game, every release thus far has added quite a bit of structure and backbone to the history of Tamriel. Through main plots, sub plots, and of course books.

The era they've chosen has a lot to offer in this regard. If there's any MMO story I'm interested in it's this one. That's probably just me though, I'm a TES lore junky.

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Originally posted by Jeul

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Originally posted by GrayGhost79

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Originally posted by Jeul

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Originally posted by GrayGhost79
No housing, no player vampires, no player werewolves, no freedom to join the faction you want as the race you want, there's many TES mechanics that seem to be missing.

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I may be missing something, but none of the information I've read yet states any of this.  Where are you getting this info?

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Making a new account isn't going to help you man lol. Continue the discussion on your main if you really want to continue.

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I've never posted here.  I was referred here by one of my guildies. 
 
Anyways... can you answer my question?  I'm not being rude or anything... just asking.

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What information do you seek again friend?

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Bainwalker

Title says it all.  For them not to make TES: Online into what it rightfully should be is a joke beyond the ages.

 

Anyone agree?

No housing, no player vampires, no player werewolves, no freedom to join the faction you want as the race you want, there's many TES mechanics that seem to be missing.

did they say all that is missing? ill keep playing Skyrim then... thank you

TES is a sandpark. It has a lot of sandbox elements, but also has linear gameplay as well. Leveling system questing etc.

Originally posted by Bainwalker

Title says it all.  For them not to make TES: Online into what it rightfully should be is a joke beyond the ages.

 

Anyone agree?

  I disagree OP. FFA PVP? Go play Darkfall and come back and tell us all how Elder scrolls should be like that. No everyone feels a gankfeast is fun, as can be seen from DF's 4-5k subscribers.

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Bainwalker

Title says it all.  For them not to make TES: Online into what it rightfully should be is a joke beyond the ages.

 

Anyone agree?

No housing, no player vampires, no player werewolves, no freedom to join the faction you want as the race you want, there's many TES mechanics that seem to be missing.

  PROOF  or STFU

 Really the games not gonna be out for what 3+ more years and already your pulling facts out of thin air.

*Facepalms  God I hate sandboxers......this game is not going to be a sandbox...ugh.... Anybody that played Morrowind, Skyrim and Obilvion would know that already...those games did not play like a single player SWG. So why would this mmo be any different?

Common sense....oh how I desire you be more common....

The game was just revealed today, why not give it at least 48 hours before you start in with the naysayer threads and doom and gloom posts.

It's this type of rhetoric that causes months of hate threads on this forum, be a part of the solution, not the problem.

The only thing they can get rid off as far as I'm concerned is teleporting. Instead they should add mounted combat. :)

Originally posted by Kost

The game was just revealed today, why not give it at least 48 hours before you start in with the naysayer threads and doom and gloom posts.

It's this type of rhetoric that causes months of hate threads on this forum, be a part of the solution, not the problem.

The 'problem' is bad games, not hate posts. And offering community to shut up abot it doesn't help at all.

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Bainwalker

Title says it all.  For them not to make TES: Online into what it rightfully should be is a joke beyond the ages.

 

Anyone agree?

No housing, no player vampires, no player werewolves, no freedom to join the faction you want as the race you want, there's many TES mechanics that seem to be missing.

  PROOF  or STFU

 Really the games not gonna be out for what 3+ more years and already your pulling facts out of thin air.

Your kidding right?

Unless you think this is all a hoax, then here you go.

http://xbigygames.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-screenshots-and-details/

And as far as release date they are talking about a 2013 release date. So....

Originally posted by Vunak23

TES is a sandpark. It has a lot of sandbox elements, but also has linear gameplay as well. Leveling system questing etc.

 

I can go with that.

Originally posted by Oaahbm

Originally posted by Kost

The game was just revealed today, why not give it at least 48 hours before you start in with the naysayer threads and doom and gloom posts.

It's this type of rhetoric that causes months of hate threads on this forum, be a part of the solution, not the problem.

The 'problem' is bad games, not hate posts. And offering community to shut up abot it doesn't help at all.

  As the guy states the games only been revealed some 48 hours ago, also will not be out for some 3+ years and already it has a few people nerdraging/hate posting that it won't have player mod controls allowing any and every player to completely change the MMO on the fly whenever they want because TES did. Thats not constructive thats insane. and the games not even very far along in developement how can you say its a bad game?

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by Oaahbm

Originally posted by Kost

The game was just revealed today, why not give it at least 48 hours before you start in with the naysayer threads and doom and gloom posts.

It's this type of rhetoric that causes months of hate threads on this forum, be a part of the solution, not the problem.

The 'problem' is bad games, not hate posts. And offering community to shut up abot it doesn't help at all.

  As the guy states the games only been revealed some 48 hours ago, also will not be out for some 3+ years and already it has a few people nerdraging/hate posting that it won't have player mod controls allowing any and every player to completely change the MMO on the fly whenever they want because TES did. Thats not constructive thats insane. and the games not even very far along in developement how can you say its a bad game?

The games been in development for several years already, the projected launch date is in 2013.  And what you have is a bunch of people complaining that many core features or mechanics from TES series are being removed. Again check the link I provided and scroll down. Lastly, pray that we are all being rick rolled by a master troll.

The Elder Scrolls Online is scheduled to come out in 2013 for both PC and Macintosh.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/05/03/june-cover-revealed-the-elder-scrolls-online.aspx

http://xbigygames.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-screenshots-and-details/

The "Guy" can say what he wants but he doesn't have his facts straight so I would pick someone else to listen too lol.

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Bainwalker

Title says it all.  For them not to make TES: Online into what it rightfully should be is a joke beyond the ages.

 

Anyone agree?

No housing, no player vampires, no player werewolves, no freedom to join the faction you want as the race you want, there's many TES mechanics that seem to be missing.

  PROOF  or STFU

 Really the games not gonna be out for what 3+ more years and already your pulling facts out of thin air.

Your kidding right?

Unless you think this is all a hoax, then here you go.

http://xbigygames.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-screenshots-and-details/

 

And as far as release date they are talking about a 2013 release date. So....

 thanks Grey for finally posting your information. It only took what 3-4 diferent players asking how many times? As the actual no housing no vampire bit was somewhat hidden in a small little hyperlink at the end maybe you can see how some of us might have missed it. I still don't see the relase date in thate article but may have missed it. While seriously i could care less about housing or being a vampire in TES:online (really both were done poorly enough in skyrim IMO that they won't be missed) I do find it hard to belive the game will be out next year. So Grey want to make a bet it won't be out in 2013? If it is then I'd say we have more to worry about then just lack of player housing and weither or not you can be a vampire.

  Some factions do not allow some races' which if anything makes more sense to me and fleshes out the factions more realistically to me. You want to be a chaotic-evil orc assassin perhaps you shouldn't expect the law-good knights of light to let you join? :P

Ive just read the entire cover story article, and i must say that im quite excited. The 20-page article lays out quite a bit of the direction they are focusing on. The game is going heavily in the direction GW2 went, instead of trying to follow after the decade old model of WoW that games like Rift were built on. Removing things like quest hubs and direction-driven story, the player is going to be given alot more freedom of what events they partake in and when (still limited by level of course). 

Everything from the event driven, and exploration rewarding PVE gameplay to the 3 faction, siege warfare of V8, TESO is taking alot of what makes GW2 stand out from WoW-clones and putting thier own spin on it. Adding things like a political system into the WvWvW to capture the Imperial Throne and crown the highest contributing player "Emporer". And making use of smaller hotbars to increase the effectiveness of those skills and making your choice in what skills you use more meaningful.

I also love the fact they have chosen to include both instanced dungeons and open world, noninstanced dungeons to add variety. And everything from small group heroic content to larger, multi-group raid content (the one thing i think GW2 is missing and hope they add in future expansions).

TESO has the potential to be everything GW2 is now and then some. Theres no doubt they could make the best MMO to date whenever they get it finished. In the meantime, enjoy GW2, and learn the ins and outs of what make it different from every other MMO in the last decade, because it looks like we will see more taking on that direction. I cant wait!

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Bainwalker

Title says it all.  For them not to make TES: Online into what it rightfully should be is a joke beyond the ages.

 

Anyone agree?

No housing, no player vampires, no player werewolves, no freedom to join the faction you want as the race you want, there's many TES mechanics that seem to be missing.

  PROOF  or STFU

 Really the games not gonna be out for what 3+ more years and already your pulling facts out of thin air.

Your kidding right?

Unless you think this is all a hoax, then here you go.

http://xbigygames.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-screenshots-and-details/

 

And as far as release date they are talking about a 2013 release date. So....

 thanks Grey for finally posting your information. It only took what 3-4 diferent players asking how many times? As the actual no housing no vampire bit was somewhat hidden in a small little hyperlink at the end maybe you can see how some of us might have missed it. I still don't see the relase date in thate article but may have missed it. While seriously i could care less about housing or being a vampire in TES:online (really both were done poorly enough in skyrim IMO that they won't be missed) I do find it hard to belive the game will be out next year. So Grey want to make a bet it won't be out in 2013? If it is then I'd say we have more to worry about then just lack of player housing and weither or not you can be a vampire.

  Some factions do not allow some races' which if anything makes more sense to me and fleshes out the factions more realistically to me. You want to be a chaotic-evil orc assassin perhaps you shouldn't expect the law-good knights of light to let you join? :P

Same article:

http://xbigygames.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/6tDiS.jpg

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Bainwalker

Title says it all.  For them not to make TES: Online into what it rightfully should be is a joke beyond the ages.

 

Anyone agree?

No housing, no player vampires, no player werewolves, no freedom to join the faction you want as the race you want, there's many TES mechanics that seem to be missing.

  PROOF  or STFU

 Really the games not gonna be out for what 3+ more years and already your pulling facts out of thin air.

Your kidding right?

Unless you think this is all a hoax, then here you go.

http://xbigygames.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-screenshots-and-details/

 

And as far as release date they are talking about a 2013 release date. So....

 thanks Grey for finally posting your information. It only took what 43-4 diferent players asking how many times. As the actual no housing no vampire bit was somewhat hidden in a small little hyperlink at the end maybe you can see how some of us might have missed it. I still don't see the relase date in thate article but may have missed it. While seriously i could care less about housing or being a vampire in TES:online (really both were done poorly enough in skyrim IMO that they won't be missed) I do find it hard to belive the game will be out next year. So Grey want to make a bet it won't be out in 2013? If it is then I'd say we have more to worry about then just lack of player housing and weither or not you can be a vampire.

  Some factions do not allow some races' which if anything makes more sense to me and fleshes out the factions more realistically to me. You want to be a chaotic-evil orc assassin perhaps you shouldn't expect the law-good knights of light to let you join? :P

Firstly it's Gray, secondly I wasn't overly enthusiastic about taking the time to post the links and such  for you especially considering its flying around all over the forums and extremely easy for you to find and I've posted them multiple times already. 

And again...

The Elder Scrolls Online is scheduled to come out in 2013 for both PC and Macintosh.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/05/03/june-cover-revealed-the-elder-scrolls-online.aspx

Regardless if it happens or not that is what they are shooting for and yes that is a concern. But the games been in development since around 2007/2008 so thats about 5 years if they hit the 2013 launch. Some of us have been keeping tabs on Zenimax Online for awhile in hopes that this MMO would turn out to be Fallout Online. 

And as far as the part about houses and vampires being hidden....... it's sitting right there in the post you quoted. But hey.... you're welcome.

What a disappointment.  The Elder Scrolls had the potential to be an amazing MMO.  Instead it looks like it's going to be another in a long line of mediocre MMOs, another Swtor.  A game that huge potential, but instead is nothing more than an extremely average MMO.  How sad.  

Bethesda is cutting out many of the features that make the series what it is.  No free form character progression, no twitch based combat, no player housing, no infected player vampires and werewolves.  Why? 

Where has the innovation in MMOs gone?  Why is it that no mainstream developer dares to break from the WoW mold?  How about we have some ideas that Blizzard hasn't already had.  

Originally posted by Bainwalker

Title says it all.  For them not to make TES: Online into what it rightfully should be is a joke beyond the ages.

 

Anyone agree?

Yeah because FFA pvp Sandbox is where the real money is. DF, MO etc are such run away success.