And I have to excitedely correct myself!  I went to this site:

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/05/03/june-cover-revealed-the-elder-scrolls-online.aspx

Check out the quick blurb about THREE pvp factions.  That's right folks!

Divorce incoming, sigh.

Why are people excited for an Elder Scrolls MMO?

Because I wont be satisfied until me and 100 other people can simultaneously drop 5000 cheese wheels off a waterfall.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by pacov

because Skyrim delived? They can only go wrong with elder scrolls if it is not a sandbox. I'm only excited because I am hoping that it won't be another themepark... if it is.. all hype will vanish

TEs games have never been full on sandboxes, there's no world building or tools for it in these games. IF anything they've resembled offline MMO's, quest hub MMO's.

its still sandbox... I can go where ever i want to because the game does not restrict anything nor holds your hand to progress your character. And there is tools to build the game... mods anyone?

Originally posted by pacov

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by pacov

because Skyrim delived? They can only go wrong with elder scrolls if it is not a sandbox. I'm only excited because I am hoping that it won't be another themepark... if it is.. all hype will vanish

TEs games have never been full on sandboxes, there's no world building or tools for it in these games. IF anything they've resembled offline MMO's, quest hub MMO's.

its still sandbox... I can go where ever i want to because the game does not restrict anything nor holds your hand to progress your character. And since when do sandbox games must have building houses?

That's because todays TES games use a level scaling AI system, in Morrowind as an example going somewhere you weren't supposed to meant instant death. Not all that different than an open-world themepark.

I don't consider free roaming to mean sandbox.

Cyrodill is such a.... bland and overused environment... I mean forest after forest? I hope they include provinces that have not been in the last three series

Originally posted by Comaf

And I have to excitedely correct myself!  I went to this site:

 

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/05/03/june-cover-revealed-the-elder-scrolls-online.aspx

 

Check out the quick blurb about THREE pvp factions.  That's right folks!

 

 

 

Divorce incoming, sigh.

I really didn't think you were arguing it was two faction earlier, I thought I was confused by your wording, but yeah it's three faction designed by one of the fathers of true RVR.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by dontadow

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Every MMO i have ever played has had open world dungeons.  (this game, like others has open world dungeons and instanced dungeons) Fully interactive wold, been done before. NPC DIalogue, done before as well.  \

This game, as described is not an elders scroll game. 

Hot bars? PVP? third person perspective? character classes? 

Yes and GW2 isn't like GW1 this meant a bad game? When making an actual MMO conventions from another genre do not always fit. TES games have always had classes btw, you can create your own, but classes have always been in there some where. (just look at the CS.... every NPC has a class)

IT's far too early to write an entire game off based on a few paragraphs from an article. Far too early.

If an MMO is suppose to be a single player (both gw and gw2 are catagorized as multiplayer) then it needs to capture the single player experience.  At no point did ultima capture that experience. If it had, I guarantee you we'd have a different genre right now. The mere fact that millions of people can flock to games like mass effect 3 and skyrim, and yet leave the current crop of mmos to fight over the stale player base is proof that mmorpgs has lost the idea of rpgs.

Hell, the fact that mmorpgs are marketed to nonrpg lovers is proof of this.  It's why they stick rpgers on 2 or 3 servers far away from the other folk.  

Also, for the record, GW 2, particuarlly the dungeons and harder dynamics,  (oh my god and the skill challenges) has a lot of that old GW 1 puzzle quest feal to it.  ).  

Originally posted by pacov

Cyrodill is such a.... bland and overused environment... I mean forest after forest? I hope they include provinces that have not been in the last three series

From that article it seemed they will have more than just Cyrodil (unless I misread something), I'm hoping to see Elsweyr for one.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by pacov

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by pacov

because Skyrim delived? They can only go wrong with elder scrolls if it is not a sandbox. I'm only excited because I am hoping that it won't be another themepark... if it is.. all hype will vanish

TEs games have never been full on sandboxes, there's no world building or tools for it in these games. IF anything they've resembled offline MMO's, quest hub MMO's.

its still sandbox... I can go where ever i want to because the game does not restrict anything nor holds your hand to progress your character. And since when do sandbox games must have building houses?

That's because todays TES games use a level scaling AI system, in Morrowind as an example going somewhere you weren't supposed to meant instant death. Not all that different than an open-world themepark.

I don't consider free roaming to mean sandbox.

That is the issue lol... sandbox is such a rare form of mmo game that there is no real definiton of it.. or at least way too many variants.

and btw I was able to complete morrowind without doing any story line missions... I was simply exploring the world and was lucky to find dwarven armor near the volcano. after that I could pretty much kill anything except the final boss because I did not have the final items.

Well crap...I totally missed out on being the first person to proclaim my hatred. Can I get on the 'mainstream', 'dumbed-down', or 'wow clone' bandwagons or have those filled up already too?

Ah well, barring all that, I have to echo what another poster said: (paraphrase) with so little info out, why not be excited?

What does it hurt? It doesn't cost anything to be excited at this point and worst case, more info comes out and, if that info is a deal breaker, move on. There is certainly no harm in being excited. Now, if they were selling pre-orders already, then man the battle stations! :)

Originally posted by pacov

 

That is the issue lol... sandbox is such a rare form of mmo game that there is no real definiton of it.. or at least way too many variants.

and btw I was able to complete morrowind without doing any story line missions... I was simply exploring the world and was lucky to find dwarven armor near the volcano. after that I could pretty much kill anything except the final boss because I did not have the final items.

(yellow) True..

Sure you can level a character through many different means in Morrowind, still, depending on the mob though some are insant one shot killers to an underleveled toon regardless of equipment.

Well if the info on the xbigy games site is correct, then my interest is piqued. I could live with some TES game mechanic changes, for some DAoC style three way RvR action.

It could be a very good game if they do it right. They have the talent, so there is hope.

Originally posted by nomatics856

Originally posted by SaintGraye

Originally posted by nomatics856

Remember what happened last time we took a great single player RPG and turned it into an MMO?

We got Ultima Online.

Nice comment smart ass, you know what I meant. The UO and EQ era are dead. I am talking in the WoWesq era.

Haha! Okay, okay... I'll concede the point.

I did understand what you meant, but you must also admit that my own remark, snarky as it was, has merit. The possibility exists that ESO might be a decent game. I'm not optimistic, but, I'd prefer to restrain my cynicism until the game nears release.

hope they make a great MMORPG but i dont see how a game like TES can be a good MMORPG. skyrim is a excelent single player game, i believe even a co-op skyrim will be great but a MMORPG i doubt will work.

from the scans i read i wasnt impress...hope im wrong. 

Originally posted by p_c_sousa

hope they make a great MMORPG but i dont see how a game like TES can be a good MMORPG. skyrim is a excelent single player game, i believe even a co-op skyrim will be great but a MMORPG i doubt will work.

from the scans i read i wasnt impress...hope im wrong. 

I think people are imagining skyrim as an mmorpg and putting their hopes into.   It will be surprising it the game turns out anything like skyrim.  I guess  those people will be disappointed by it.

I am optimistically skeptical about an Elder Scrolls MMO.

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I have enjoyed the Elder scrolls single player games, with their overall freedom and the multitude of non storyline quests. (Something missing from MMO theme parks)  I am really looking forward to this game.

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But I am skeptical and have questions:

1) I really like the Elder Scrolls leveling system. Will that be maintained in the MMO?

2) Will there be the non storyline quests and reasons to explore?

3) Will there be open and unrestricted PVP which is usually abused and, in the end, turns off many players, discouraging them from staying in the game.

4) Will it be a true Elder Scrolls game if Bethesda isn't making it?

5) Will it keep the first person view?

6) Can an MMO have Skyrim graphics?

7) Will it keep the two hand fighting system? (Sword in one hand fireball in the other; the same spell in each hand and it becomes stronger; sword and shield or whatever combinations you want)

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On a postive note, Maybe the Character animations will be improved.

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I am excited and Optomistic that an Elder Scroll MMO will be good. But I am have questions that  I hope will be answered soon.

You see this is what happen if you let Assumptions go astray.

They just announced about the game and all the doom and gloom thread is out in force.

At least gave the company a benefit of the doubt, let them show the gameplay first then cry out or whine.

Need to be pro to new games. More games, more competition, MMO game will get better and better.

Originally posted by xmenty

You see this is what happen if you let Assumptions go astray.

They just announced about the game and all the doom and gloom thread is out in force.

At least gave the company a benefit of the doubt, let them show the gameplay first then cry out or whine.

Need to be pro to new games. More games, more competition, MMO game will get better and better.

"“It needs to be comfortable for people who are coming in from a typical massively multiplayer game that has the same control mechanisms,..." 

so a typical MMORPG is something around WoW / Lotro / Aion. just with this state i know gameplay will not be like Skyrim at all, unless they are lying.

common anyone believe Skyrim gameplay is suitable for a MMORPG? but just the fact the gameplay will not be like skyrim doent mean the game cant be great. we need to see some gameplay xD

I really don't think it's possible to create the TES MMO we've all had in our heads over the years, so I'll just wait and see what happens, and a few tidbits of leaked info (all we have) is not going to sway me in any direction.