Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

Originally posted by maitrader

Its a great game I myself played it and am restricting myself from playing it until release so I can fully immerse myself into it. I am very VERY glad that all the hype went to GW2. Funcom MMO's are for the pre-WoW MMO players, where as GW2 and Arenanets MMO's are for the post-WoW MMO gamers. You will find the same community characteristics in GW2 that you would in '06 - '09 WoW, where as in TSW, you will find the AO/DoAC/UO crowd.

This game is HEAVY in story and puzzle which makes team composition VERY important... low IQ and impatient people will not do well in TSW setting.

 

 

     Heavy in puzzle, right? I doubt there will be enough puzzles to tide enough people over for a month, or would you care to elaborate on the amount of content in the game in terms of playing time?

    Please give us an example of one of these puzzles that requires an IQ >= 100 to solve. I would like to see one. No MMO ever created has been designed to be a test of intellectual ability, since MMOs are about making money, not academic achievement.

AO wasn't beneath the surface, since the optimization was clear and even color coded in most cases. AoC was about tits, gore and action; there wasn't too much intellectual going on there either.

 Since when has story ever meant anything related to intelligence? I guess people who played through SWToR should get PhDs then and if you dare tell me that this game has half the quality of voice acting and story content, then I will laugh at you and point to the 200 million budget that went to it vs. whatever this game has gotten.

 

 

 

 

 

TSW has better story than SWTOR.  They didn't blow their budget by doing voice over for kill 10 whomp rat quests.

Originally posted by meetxj9

Personally, i really want this game to work. Its a gold mine of an IP. What i fear the most is Funcom's lack of understanding of managing a title like this. 

After a decade of fantasy based MMO's flooding into the market this is definately a combo breaker here. Fans of CTHULTU will love the game. 

I really would like to hear a detailed rundown from a beta tester here. And finally, im going Dragon

tell you more when NDA lifts on the 11th

I think they are lifting for everything but storyline spoilers, with the open beta weekends starting then.

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Originally posted by maitrader

Its a great game I myself played it and am restricting myself from playing it until release so I can fully immerse myself into it. I am very VERY glad that all the hype went to GW2. Funcom MMO's are for the pre-WoW MMO players, where as GW2 and Arenanets MMO's are for the post-WoW MMO gamers. You will find the same community characteristics in GW2 that you would in '06 - '09 WoW, where as in TSW, you will find the AO/DoAC/UO crowd.

This game is HEAVY in story and puzzle which makes team composition VERY important... low IQ and impatient people will not do well in TSW setting.

Oh give me a break.

The answers to the puzzles will be all over the net on the second day of release.

SWToR is heavy in "story" also. We see how that helped as more and more leave.

There is nothing in TSW, or any Funcom game, that merits the kind of bullshit "I'm so smart!" crap you just spewed.

while i dont like the "we are so clever" element to some in tsw community also.  The puzzles will not be on the net in a couple of days, the various ARGs before launch took months to solve by half the members of the tsw forums, several args are still unsolved.  They are not easy.

Originally posted by Rightlov

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by jdnyc

Originally posted by Sybnal
Ya I've played it.  The setting is very refreshing.  Imo it's as much fun as GW2 was this weekend.

I really hope this is true.  Man do I hope.  If TSW is as good as GW2, I'll have my two games for the next year at least!

Seriously doubt you played it if you made this statementSybnal. The game looks worse than anything sub out right now and all three factions start out the same.. same intro vid, (different second part), same tutorial and then same starting zone. The quests system is HORRIBLE, the quests tend to not tell you what you are supposed to do just that you need to run here, then run there.. they have a habit of updating with no rhyme or reason. You can only have max 3 quests at once, one of each, and usually you only have 2 and then while you are out doing one find a quest that you cannot do because you would have to drop the one you are on to do it. This game could have been amazing.. the idea of it is just crazy good.. execution.. not so much.

Honestly I don't think you gave GW2 enough of a shot if you thought it was like Rift which I also played. If you are looking for a new type MMO done well its either GW2 or waiting on maybe Archage but that is so iffy still. Good luck in your decision.

Have you even played it yourself?

Becuase if you had, you'd see for yourself, that the 3-mission-at-once system works perfecftly! Also you'd know that all you say there is a huge exaggeration. 9,5/10 of the missions update exactly as they should. There's minor bugs in quite a few of them, but the updating is no problem. Yes, the investigations mission are quite tricky to trigger, but that's exactly the concept. If you have actually played it and had problems understanding the majority of the updates/triggers in the missions, I'd be mildly shocked. Also your point regarding that all the factions have the same tutorial and starting zone? - well, alright; on the other hand, they all have different faction-missions, actually leading you to entire new designed "playfields". So there is a difference - and who says that difference have to be there right from the start, and not later on? In most of the other games people will have different starting areas, but instead they'll have the exact same mid- and end-game areas. In TSW it's consistent all the way, which I much prefer.

I've played/playing it (not at this very moment though, because of *NDA*). And I honestly think it's better than any subgame out there. I was tired of them all - and yes, I've more or less tried them all. But TSW got me hooked, even in it's betastate back when I started many months ago. Considering the fact that there'd even be character wipes, which is a huge demotivator for me, I still kept playing it. Going to play GW2 for sure, but I'm personally much more excited for TSW!

if you read my post I gave examples which you ignored.. those aren't bugs or not understanding, those are flaws in the system and lack of explanation of what they are asking you to do.

Having to ignore quests out in the world because you are out doing one is absolutely retarded.

It cracks me up though that you are defending them being so lazy they couldn't make 3 different intro videos. I could forgive it if it was just the tutorial but how they do it is bad... OOPS! you passed out now you are randomly some chick named Sarah in a subway... I mean come on WTF? Either explain why things happen or have a story.. don't just make things so vague its as if things are done at random.. which is how it seems right now.

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by Rightlov

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by jdnyc

Originally posted by Sybnal
Ya I've played it.  The setting is very refreshing.  Imo it's as much fun as GW2 was this weekend.

I really hope this is true.  Man do I hope.  If TSW is as good as GW2, I'll have my two games for the next year at least!

Seriously doubt you played it if you made this statementSybnal. The game looks worse than anything sub out right now and all three factions start out the same.. same intro vid, (different second part), same tutorial and then same starting zone. The quests system is HORRIBLE, the quests tend to not tell you what you are supposed to do just that you need to run here, then run there.. they have a habit of updating with no rhyme or reason. You can only have max 3 quests at once, one of each, and usually you only have 2 and then while you are out doing one find a quest that you cannot do because you would have to drop the one you are on to do it. This game could have been amazing.. the idea of it is just crazy good.. execution.. not so much.

Honestly I don't think you gave GW2 enough of a shot if you thought it was like Rift which I also played. If you are looking for a new type MMO done well its either GW2 or waiting on maybe Archage but that is so iffy still. Good luck in your decision.

Have you even played it yourself?

Becuase if you had, you'd see for yourself, that the 3-mission-at-once system works perfecftly! Also you'd know that all you say there is a huge exaggeration. 9,5/10 of the missions update exactly as they should. There's minor bugs in quite a few of them, but the updating is no problem. Yes, the investigations mission are quite tricky to trigger, but that's exactly the concept. If you have actually played it and had problems understanding the majority of the updates/triggers in the missions, I'd be mildly shocked. Also your point regarding that all the factions have the same tutorial and starting zone? - well, alright; on the other hand, they all have different faction-missions, actually leading you to entire new designed "playfields". So there is a difference - and who says that difference have to be there right from the start, and not later on? In most of the other games people will have different starting areas, but instead they'll have the exact same mid- and end-game areas. In TSW it's consistent all the way, which I much prefer.

I've played/playing it (not at this very moment though, because of *NDA*). And I honestly think it's better than any subgame out there. I was tired of them all - and yes, I've more or less tried them all. But TSW got me hooked, even in it's betastate back when I started many months ago. Considering the fact that there'd even be character wipes, which is a huge demotivator for me, I still kept playing it. Going to play GW2 for sure, but I'm personally much more excited for TSW!

if you read my post I gave examples which you ignored.. those aren't bugs or not understanding, those are flaws in the system and lack of explanation of what they are asking you to do.

Having to ignore quests out in the world because you are out doing one is absolutely retarded.

It cracks me up though that you are defending them being so lazy they couldn't make 3 different intro videos. I could forgive it if it was just the tutorial but how they do it is bad... OOPS! you passed out now you are randomly some chick named Sarah in a subway... I mean come on WTF? Either explain why things happen or have a story.. don't just make things so vague its as if things are done at random.. which is how it seems right now.

It's all there buddy, you just have to look for it :( This game might not be for you.

Originally posted by Arkain

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by jdnyc

Originally posted by Sybnal
Ya I've played it.  The setting is very refreshing.  Imo it's as much fun as GW2 was this weekend.

I really hope this is true.  Man do I hope.  If TSW is as good as GW2, I'll have my two games for the next year at least!

Seriously doubt you played it if you made this statementSybnal. The game looks worse than anything sub out right now and all three factions start out the same.. same intro vid, (different second part), same tutorial and then same starting zone. The quests system is HORRIBLE, the quests tend to not tell you what you are supposed to do just that you need to run here, then run there.. they have a habit of updating with no rhyme or reason. You can only have max 3 quests at once, one of each, and usually you only have 2 and then while you are out doing one find a quest that you cannot do because you would have to drop the one you are on to do it. This game could have been amazing.. the idea of it is just crazy good.. execution.. not so much.

 

Honestly I don't think you gave GW2 enough of a shot if you thought it was like Rift which I also played. If you are looking for a new type MMO done well its either GW2 or waiting on maybe Archage but that is so iffy still. Good luck in your decision.

On GW2 P2W:

A realy big turn off for GW2 is the ability to buy gold in the in game store. I was going to buy 4 copies of this game, but when it seems soooo P2W I had to remove it from my list.

Its just my preference but I don't like having an item in a cash store is = to in game gold (this would be the gems).

On Quset:

If you do not like the way the quest are done, that is a point of tast (on the 11th I will see if it is like every vid I have seen, I realy hope so). 

It seems one of your issues is "quest are to hard" with out being told where to go and every steep it holding you hand, like WoW does now. Well if they are then great, I am not big on the over hand holding that I lot of games do now, 

For some of us, only having 3 quest is a blessing. Most MMO's you have 20 to 50 and end up having to clean you quest log every 10 - 20 levels of some gray quest you never got around to and now don't need to do.

On GW2 Quest:

Do they do alot of hand holding?, is that why you think the quest are good there?

On Looks and Art:

Secret World (from the vids out) looks better then anything that is coming or is out right now, but that is art, wich is preference (to me GW2 looks like Aion, or any other korean grinder) .

On Faction:

Faction start is difrent enugh, there all human and they all have a difrent home city and faction unity is being built now with a facebook game so they will not need to build it then so much.

 

I do want to say to you ariboersma: "thank you for your input, you have realy made me look forward to Secret World even more then before and you realy help push me of the fince on GW2 (you will save me a good deal of cash),

so thank you "

well you are blind enough to think that GW2 is P2W so yea. I didn't say anything about hand holding.. I want a friggin objective to follow.. tell me at least a small portion of what I am trying to do. Or if I am to just explore make a reason why.. not just hey follow that arrow because we want you to. You obviously dont know much about GW2 so I am not even gonna go there but you dont know much about TSW and you want to play it. BTW on choice referring to my statement.. you do NOT have a choice.. the world is empty except where you have to go.. you are forced to follow a path that they do not tell you why ending in some chick going down on you. WHY IS THERE PORN IN THIS GAME?!?!? Its so friggin random. No matter what you faction you start out in the SAME apartment, same underwear because you were asleep.. then you have a different person come collect you and that part is different.. then you end up in your city again this is different but then you are back into the same exact tutorial as everyone and proceen onto the same starting area. 

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by jdnyc

Originally posted by Sybnal
Ya I've played it.  The setting is very refreshing.  Imo it's as much fun as GW2 was this weekend.

I really hope this is true.  Man do I hope.  If TSW is as good as GW2, I'll have my two games for the next year at least!

Seriously doubt you played it if you made this statementSybnal. The game looks worse than anything sub out right now and all three factions start out the same.. same intro vid, (different second part), same tutorial and then same starting zone. The quests system is HORRIBLE, the quests tend to not tell you what you are supposed to do just that you need to run here, then run there.. they have a habit of updating with no rhyme or reason. You can only have max 3 quests at once, one of each, and usually you only have 2 and then while you are out doing one find a quest that you cannot do because you would have to drop the one you are on to do it. This game could have been amazing.. the idea of it is just crazy good.. execution.. not so much.

 

Honestly I don't think you gave GW2 enough of a shot if you thought it was like Rift which I also played. If you are looking for a new type MMO done well its either GW2 or waiting on maybe Archage but that is so iffy still. Good luck in your decision.

[mod edit]

I assure you I am neither, what I said is exactly how the game is. Why dont you tell me what you think is wrong? 

Gw2 isn't p2w its a great mmo.

I intend to play both gw2 and tsw as both are refreshing and neither are "raid or die" games so I have time to play both.

on the subject of "random sexy bits" - well TSW is an 18 rated game.  The Witcher games have lots of "random sexy bits" doesnt stop them being the best story style rpgs on the market (im counting skyrim as an open ended rpg, i do think the witchers are better than the dragon age games though, and Witcher 2 better than ME3)

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by Arkain

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by jdnyc

Originally posted by Sybnal
Ya I've played it.  The setting is very refreshing.  Imo it's as much fun as GW2 was this weekend.

I really hope this is true.  Man do I hope.  If TSW is as good as GW2, I'll have my two games for the next year at least!

Seriously doubt you played it if you made this statementSybnal. The game looks worse than anything sub out right now and all three factions start out the same.. same intro vid, (different second part), same tutorial and then same starting zone. The quests system is HORRIBLE, the quests tend to not tell you what you are supposed to do just that you need to run here, then run there.. they have a habit of updating with no rhyme or reason. You can only have max 3 quests at once, one of each, and usually you only have 2 and then while you are out doing one find a quest that you cannot do because you would have to drop the one you are on to do it. This game could have been amazing.. the idea of it is just crazy good.. execution.. not so much.

 

Honestly I don't think you gave GW2 enough of a shot if you thought it was like Rift which I also played. If you are looking for a new type MMO done well its either GW2 or waiting on maybe Archage but that is so iffy still. Good luck in your decision.

On GW2 P2W:

A realy big turn off for GW2 is the ability to buy gold in the in game store. I was going to buy 4 copies of this game, but when it seems soooo P2W I had to remove it from my list.

Its just my preference but I don't like having an item in a cash store is = to in game gold (this would be the gems).

On Quset:

If you do not like the way the quest are done, that is a point of tast (on the 11th I will see if it is like every vid I have seen, I realy hope so). 

It seems one of your issues is "quest are to hard" with out being told where to go and every steep it holding you hand, like WoW does now. Well if they are then great, I am not big on the over hand holding that I lot of games do now, 

For some of us, only having 3 quest is a blessing. Most MMO's you have 20 to 50 and end up having to clean you quest log every 10 - 20 levels of some gray quest you never got around to and now don't need to do.

On GW2 Quest:

Do they do alot of hand holding?, is that why you think the quest are good there?

On Looks and Art:

Secret World (from the vids out) looks better then anything that is coming or is out right now, but that is art, wich is preference (to me GW2 looks like Aion, or any other korean grinder) .

On Faction:

Faction start is difrent enugh, there all human and they all have a difrent home city and faction unity is being built now with a facebook game so they will not need to build it then so much.

 

I do want to say to you ariboersma: "thank you for your input, you have realy made me look forward to Secret World even more then before and you realy help push me of the fince on GW2 (you will save me a good deal of cash),

so thank you "

well you are blind enough to think that GW2 is P2W so yea. I didn't say anything about hand holding.. I want a friggin objective to follow.. tell me at least a small portion of what I am trying to do. Or if I am to just explore make a reason why.. not just hey follow that arrow because we want you to. You obviously dont know much about GW2 so I am not even gonna go there but you dont know much about TSW and you want to play it. BTW on choice referring to my statement.. you do NOT have a choice.. the world is empty except where you have to go.. you are forced to follow a path that they do not tell you why ending in some chick going down on you. WHY IS THERE PORN IN THIS GAME?!?!? Its so friggin random. No matter what you faction you start out in the SAME apartment, same underwear because you were asleep.. then you have a different person come collect you and that part is different.. then you end up in your city again this is different but then you are back into the same exact tutorial as everyone and proceen onto the same starting area. 

You know why things keep going in th direction of TSW .vs. GW2? because GW2 trolls feel threatened by TSW's uniqueness.. I am sure GW2 will be a great game for a specific type of MMO gamer... same with TSW. lets hope both succeed and give the MMO genre some new ideas since ideas coming out (like TERA and shit like that) are stale and done 100000 times

Originally posted by ShakyMo

I intend to play both gw2 and tsw as both are refreshing and neither are "raid or die" games so I have time to play both.

on the subject of "random sexy bits" - well TSW is an 18 rated game. 

 

Same here. I am going to play both, which is something I never do. Over the last few years, I play a AAA title when it comes and get bored fairly quickly. Not that some of them aren't 'good' they just aren't giving me that 'rush' feeling I used to get while playing. I am hoping that playing both of the games, a little TSW today then a little GW2 next week, will keep me entertained for this year at least.

If there are a few PG-17 moments in the game, whether for ambiance or just to draw in a few 'titillated' individuals (see what I did there?), meh. Move on  past and keep working those skills.

I'll be playing TSW on-off since I got a lifetime for it.

Tera will be my monthly game (maybe even free cause of the chronoscrolls system).

GW2 is just not worth the money since the cash shop will be the ripoff of the century.

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by jdnyc

Originally posted by Sybnal
Ya I've played it.  The setting is very refreshing.  Imo it's as much fun as GW2 was this weekend.

I really hope this is true.  Man do I hope.  If TSW is as good as GW2, I'll have my two games for the next year at least!

Seriously doubt you played it if you made this statementSybnal. The game looks worse than anything sub out right now and all three factions start out the same.. same intro vid, (different second part), same tutorial and then same starting zone. The quests system is HORRIBLE, the quests tend to not tell you what you are supposed to do just that you need to run here, then run there.. they have a habit of updating with no rhyme or reason. You can only have max 3 quests at once, one of each, and usually you only have 2 and then while you are out doing one find a quest that you cannot do because you would have to drop the one you are on to do it. This game could have been amazing.. the idea of it is just crazy good.. execution.. not so much.

 

Honestly I don't think you gave GW2 enough of a shot if you thought it was like Rift which I also played. If you are looking for a new type MMO done well its either GW2 or waiting on maybe Archage but that is so iffy still. Good luck in your decision.

Have you actually played TSW? If yes then you're most welcome to discuss this game. If you haven't played then you are just another blind GW2 fanboi trolling other games. So which one are you?

Never pay attention to the negative posters because that is the cool thing to do on MMORPG.

Originally posted by Soandsoso

Never pay attention to the negative posters because that is the cool thing to do on MMORPG.

 

No the cool thing is to report them for trolling just because they have different opinions than you.

The #"¤½!%!"#¤! are so lazy they'll just rather %#"¤!" you instead of reading the thread.

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by Arkain

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by jdnyc

Originally posted by Sybnal
Ya I've played it.  The setting is very refreshing.  Imo it's as much fun as GW2 was this weekend.

I really hope this is true.  Man do I hope.  If TSW is as good as GW2, I'll have my two games for the next year at least!

Seriously doubt you played it if you made this statementSybnal. The game looks worse than anything sub out right now and all three factions start out the same.. same intro vid, (different second part), same tutorial and then same starting zone. The quests system is HORRIBLE, the quests tend to not tell you what you are supposed to do just that you need to run here, then run there.. they have a habit of updating with no rhyme or reason. You can only have max 3 quests at once, one of each, and usually you only have 2 and then while you are out doing one find a quest that you cannot do because you would have to drop the one you are on to do it. This game could have been amazing.. the idea of it is just crazy good.. execution.. not so much.

 

Honestly I don't think you gave GW2 enough of a shot if you thought it was like Rift which I also played. If you are looking for a new type MMO done well its either GW2 or waiting on maybe Archage but that is so iffy still. Good luck in your decision.

On GW2 P2W:

A realy big turn off for GW2 is the ability to buy gold in the in game store. I was going to buy 4 copies of this game, but when it seems soooo P2W I had to remove it from my list.

Its just my preference but I don't like having an item in a cash store is = to in game gold (this would be the gems).

On Quset:

If you do not like the way the quest are done, that is a point of tast (on the 11th I will see if it is like every vid I have seen, I realy hope so). 

It seems one of your issues is "quest are to hard" with out being told where to go and every steep it holding you hand, like WoW does now. Well if they are then great, I am not big on the over hand holding that I lot of games do now, 

For some of us, only having 3 quest is a blessing. Most MMO's you have 20 to 50 and end up having to clean you quest log every 10 - 20 levels of some gray quest you never got around to and now don't need to do.

On GW2 Quest:

Do they do alot of hand holding?, is that why you think the quest are good there?

On Looks and Art:

Secret World (from the vids out) looks better then anything that is coming or is out right now, but that is art, wich is preference (to me GW2 looks like Aion, or any other korean grinder) .

On Faction:

Faction start is difrent enugh, there all human and they all have a difrent home city and faction unity is being built now with a facebook game so they will not need to build it then so much.

 

I do want to say to you ariboersma: "thank you for your input, you have realy made me look forward to Secret World even more then before and you realy help push me of the fince on GW2 (you will save me a good deal of cash),

so thank you "

well you are blind enough to think that GW2 is P2W so yea. I didn't say anything about hand holding.. I want a friggin objective to follow.. tell me at least a small portion of what I am trying to do. Or if I am to just explore make a reason why.. not just hey follow that arrow because we want you to. You obviously dont know much about GW2 so I am not even gonna go there but you dont know much about TSW and you want to play it. BTW on choice referring to my statement.. you do NOT have a choice.. the world is empty except where you have to go.. you are forced to follow a path that they do not tell you why ending in some chick going down on you. WHY IS THERE PORN IN THIS GAME?!?!? Its so friggin random. No matter what you faction you start out in the SAME apartment, same underwear because you were asleep.. then you have a different person come collect you and that part is different.. then you end up in your city again this is different but then you are back into the same exact tutorial as everyone and proceen onto the same starting area. 

Blind, am I (when a person has no facts, they most often resort to personal attack, lol) 

Young ariboersma, your Google Fu is weak

I will show The 7 Fist of Google Fu

HayYa

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/349103/page/1

 http://knightsofcaelo.com/index.php/forum/11-general/1134-gw2-cash-shop-leak?limit=10&start=10

 http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1125060-Buying-gold-with-cash-from-the-in-game-store-Tell-me-this-is-not-true

 http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/28010-why-do-i-need-to-grind-gold-to-play-the-game/

 http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/28092-playing-the-devil%E2%80%99s-advocate-why-trading-gems-for-gold-is-a-good-thing/

 http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/28292-getting-gems-with-in-game-gold-question/

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/28121-is-there-a-risk-of-inflation-due-to-people-trading-gems-for-gold-and-gold-for-gems/

You may rise from the floor now, young one.

To explain, in GW2 you can buy gems from the CS store.

you can then sell them to other players for in game gold.

I have read that one may take untell level 25-35 to make Gold.

So a new player could use real money to buy Gold in the game.

Real Money = Gems = Ingame Gold

This is not an real issue for high level player, but a new player could start with a very nice sum.

ariboersma, why have you not risen to your feet, I barely touched you.

Your wound looks severe, go see the doctor, you are done with practice for today. 

Originally posted by maitrader

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by Arkain

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by jdnyc

Originally posted by Sybnal
Ya I've played it.  The setting is very refreshing.  Imo it's as much fun as GW2 was this weekend.

I really hope this is true.  Man do I hope.  If TSW is as good as GW2, I'll have my two games for the next year at least!

Seriously doubt you played it if you made this statementSybnal. The game looks worse than anything sub out right now and all three factions start out the same.. same intro vid, (different second part), same tutorial and then same starting zone. The quests system is HORRIBLE, the quests tend to not tell you what you are supposed to do just that you need to run here, then run there.. they have a habit of updating with no rhyme or reason. You can only have max 3 quests at once, one of each, and usually you only have 2 and then while you are out doing one find a quest that you cannot do because you would have to drop the one you are on to do it. This game could have been amazing.. the idea of it is just crazy good.. execution.. not so much.

 

Honestly I don't think you gave GW2 enough of a shot if you thought it was like Rift which I also played. If you are looking for a new type MMO done well its either GW2 or waiting on maybe Archage but that is so iffy still. Good luck in your decision.

On GW2 P2W:

A realy big turn off for GW2 is the ability to buy gold in the in game store. I was going to buy 4 copies of this game, but when it seems soooo P2W I had to remove it from my list.

Its just my preference but I don't like having an item in a cash store is = to in game gold (this would be the gems).

On Quset:

If you do not like the way the quest are done, that is a point of tast (on the 11th I will see if it is like every vid I have seen, I realy hope so). 

It seems one of your issues is "quest are to hard" with out being told where to go and every steep it holding you hand, like WoW does now. Well if they are then great, I am not big on the over hand holding that I lot of games do now, 

For some of us, only having 3 quest is a blessing. Most MMO's you have 20 to 50 and end up having to clean you quest log every 10 - 20 levels of some gray quest you never got around to and now don't need to do.

On GW2 Quest:

Do they do alot of hand holding?, is that why you think the quest are good there?

On Looks and Art:

Secret World (from the vids out) looks better then anything that is coming or is out right now, but that is art, wich is preference (to me GW2 looks like Aion, or any other korean grinder) .

On Faction:

Faction start is difrent enugh, there all human and they all have a difrent home city and faction unity is being built now with a facebook game so they will not need to build it then so much.

 

I do want to say to you ariboersma: "thank you for your input, you have realy made me look forward to Secret World even more then before and you realy help push me of the fince on GW2 (you will save me a good deal of cash),

so thank you "

well you are blind enough to think that GW2 is P2W so yea. I didn't say anything about hand holding.. I want a friggin objective to follow.. tell me at least a small portion of what I am trying to do. Or if I am to just explore make a reason why.. not just hey follow that arrow because we want you to. You obviously dont know much about GW2 so I am not even gonna go there but you dont know much about TSW and you want to play it. BTW on choice referring to my statement.. you do NOT have a choice.. the world is empty except where you have to go.. you are forced to follow a path that they do not tell you why ending in some chick going down on you. WHY IS THERE PORN IN THIS GAME?!?!? Its so friggin random. No matter what you faction you start out in the SAME apartment, same underwear because you were asleep.. then you have a different person come collect you and that part is different.. then you end up in your city again this is different but then you are back into the same exact tutorial as everyone and proceen onto the same starting area. 

You know why things keep going in th direction of TSW .vs. GW2? because GW2 trolls feel threatened by TSW's uniqueness.. I am sure GW2 will be a great game for a specific type of MMO gamer... same with TSW. lets hope both succeed and give the MMO genre some new ideas since ideas coming out (like TERA and shit like that) are stale and done 100000 times

Well said, well said. 

Originally posted by Arkain

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by Arkain

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by jdnyc

Originally posted by Sybnal
Ya I've played it.  The setting is very refreshing.  Imo it's as much fun as GW2 was this weekend.

I really hope this is true.  Man do I hope.  If TSW is as good as GW2, I'll have my two games for the next year at least!

Seriously doubt you played it if you made this statementSybnal. The game looks worse than anything sub out right now and all three factions start out the same.. same intro vid, (different second part), same tutorial and then same starting zone. The quests system is HORRIBLE, the quests tend to not tell you what you are supposed to do just that you need to run here, then run there.. they have a habit of updating with no rhyme or reason. You can only have max 3 quests at once, one of each, and usually you only have 2 and then while you are out doing one find a quest that you cannot do because you would have to drop the one you are on to do it. This game could have been amazing.. the idea of it is just crazy good.. execution.. not so much.

 

Honestly I don't think you gave GW2 enough of a shot if you thought it was like Rift which I also played. If you are looking for a new type MMO done well its either GW2 or waiting on maybe Archage but that is so iffy still. Good luck in your decision.

On GW2 P2W:

A realy big turn off for GW2 is the ability to buy gold in the in game store. I was going to buy 4 copies of this game, but when it seems soooo P2W I had to remove it from my list.

Its just my preference but I don't like having an item in a cash store is = to in game gold (this would be the gems).

On Quset:

If you do not like the way the quest are done, that is a point of tast (on the 11th I will see if it is like every vid I have seen, I realy hope so). 

It seems one of your issues is "quest are to hard" with out being told where to go and every steep it holding you hand, like WoW does now. Well if they are then great, I am not big on the over hand holding that I lot of games do now, 

For some of us, only having 3 quest is a blessing. Most MMO's you have 20 to 50 and end up having to clean you quest log every 10 - 20 levels of some gray quest you never got around to and now don't need to do.

On GW2 Quest:

Do they do alot of hand holding?, is that why you think the quest are good there?

On Looks and Art:

Secret World (from the vids out) looks better then anything that is coming or is out right now, but that is art, wich is preference (to me GW2 looks like Aion, or any other korean grinder) .

On Faction:

Faction start is difrent enugh, there all human and they all have a difrent home city and faction unity is being built now with a facebook game so they will not need to build it then so much.

 

I do want to say to you ariboersma: "thank you for your input, you have realy made me look forward to Secret World even more then before and you realy help push me of the fince on GW2 (you will save me a good deal of cash),

so thank you "

well you are blind enough to think that GW2 is P2W so yea. I didn't say anything about hand holding.. I want a friggin objective to follow.. tell me at least a small portion of what I am trying to do. Or if I am to just explore make a reason why.. not just hey follow that arrow because we want you to. You obviously dont know much about GW2 so I am not even gonna go there but you dont know much about TSW and you want to play it. BTW on choice referring to my statement.. you do NOT have a choice.. the world is empty except where you have to go.. you are forced to follow a path that they do not tell you why ending in some chick going down on you. WHY IS THERE PORN IN THIS GAME?!?!? Its so friggin random. No matter what you faction you start out in the SAME apartment, same underwear because you were asleep.. then you have a different person come collect you and that part is different.. then you end up in your city again this is different but then you are back into the same exact tutorial as everyone and proceen onto the same starting area. 

Blind, am I (when a person has no facts, they most often resort to personal attack, lol) 

Young ariboersma, your Google Fu is weak

I will show The 7 Fist of Google Fu

HayYa

 

 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/349103/page/1

 

 http://knightsofcaelo.com/index.php/forum/11-general/1134-gw2-cash-shop-leak?limit=10&start=10

 

 http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1125060-Buying-gold-with-cash-from-the-in-game-store-Tell-me-this-is-not-true

 

 http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/28010-why-do-i-need-to-grind-gold-to-play-the-game/

 

 http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/28092-playing-the-devil%E2%80%99s-advocate-why-trading-gems-for-gold-is-a-good-thing/

 

 http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/28292-getting-gems-with-in-game-gold-question/

 

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/28121-is-there-a-risk-of-inflation-due-to-people-trading-gems-for-gold-and-gold-for-gems/

 

You may rise from the floor now, young one.

 

To explain, in GW2 you can buy gems from the CS store.

you can then sell them to other players for in game gold.

I have read that one may take untell level 25-35 to make Gold.

So a new player could use real money to buy Gold in the game.

Real Money = Gems = Ingame Gold

This is not an real issue for high level player, but a new player could start with a very nice sume.

 

ariboersma, why have you not risen to your feet, I barely touched you.

Your wound looks severe, go see the doctor, you are done with practice for today. 

....and so Anet has taken the gold farmers market, away from them, giving the power to the new players, so by time the new players reach max level, the edge they had with gold, is moot and they are equal with everyone else. I like it.

Sounds like the only people losing are the gold farmers...lol.. cant say Im going to miss that spam in-game!

TSW is a great game and I'm so glad its not being hyped like AoC. It's a smart MMO. it doesnt hold your hand. It lets you choose what way you wanna go.... and get this... you have to THINK. Its for this reason it will not be popular. You can't just click and kill your way thru it.  I CANT WAIT!  :) 

And this is not to knock GW2. I will play that too :) Also a great game and im sure will have a huge player base 

/Meow

Originally posted by Adalwulff

Originally posted by Arkain

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by Arkain

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by jdnyc

Originally posted by Sybnal
Ya I've played it.  The setting is very refreshing.  Imo it's as much fun as GW2 was this weekend.

I really hope this is true.  Man do I hope.  If TSW is as good as GW2, I'll have my two games for the next year at least!

Seriously doubt you played it if you made this statementSybnal. The game looks worse than anything sub out right now and all three factions start out the same.. same intro vid, (different second part), same tutorial and then same starting zone. The quests system is HORRIBLE, the quests tend to not tell you what you are supposed to do just that you need to run here, then run there.. they have a habit of updating with no rhyme or reason. You can only have max 3 quests at once, one of each, and usually you only have 2 and then while you are out doing one find a quest that you cannot do because you would have to drop the one you are on to do it. This game could have been amazing.. the idea of it is just crazy good.. execution.. not so much.

 

Honestly I don't think you gave GW2 enough of a shot if you thought it was like Rift which I also played. If you are looking for a new type MMO done well its either GW2 or waiting on maybe Archage but that is so iffy still. Good luck in your decision.

On GW2 P2W:

A realy big turn off for GW2 is the ability to buy gold in the in game store. I was going to buy 4 copies of this game, but when it seems soooo P2W I had to remove it from my list.

Its just my preference but I don't like having an item in a cash store is = to in game gold (this would be the gems).

On Quset:

If you do not like the way the quest are done, that is a point of tast (on the 11th I will see if it is like every vid I have seen, I realy hope so). 

It seems one of your issues is "quest are to hard" with out being told where to go and every steep it holding you hand, like WoW does now. Well if they are then great, I am not big on the over hand holding that I lot of games do now, 

For some of us, only having 3 quest is a blessing. Most MMO's you have 20 to 50 and end up having to clean you quest log every 10 - 20 levels of some gray quest you never got around to and now don't need to do.

On GW2 Quest:

Do they do alot of hand holding?, is that why you think the quest are good there?

On Looks and Art:

Secret World (from the vids out) looks better then anything that is coming or is out right now, but that is art, wich is preference (to me GW2 looks like Aion, or any other korean grinder) .

On Faction:

Faction start is difrent enugh, there all human and they all have a difrent home city and faction unity is being built now with a facebook game so they will not need to build it then so much.

 

I do want to say to you ariboersma: "thank you for your input, you have realy made me look forward to Secret World even more then before and you realy help push me of the fince on GW2 (you will save me a good deal of cash),

so thank you "

well you are blind enough to think that GW2 is P2W so yea. I didn't say anything about hand holding.. I want a friggin objective to follow.. tell me at least a small portion of what I am trying to do. Or if I am to just explore make a reason why.. not just hey follow that arrow because we want you to. You obviously dont know much about GW2 so I am not even gonna go there but you dont know much about TSW and you want to play it. BTW on choice referring to my statement.. you do NOT have a choice.. the world is empty except where you have to go.. you are forced to follow a path that they do not tell you why ending in some chick going down on you. WHY IS THERE PORN IN THIS GAME?!?!? Its so friggin random. No matter what you faction you start out in the SAME apartment, same underwear because you were asleep.. then you have a different person come collect you and that part is different.. then you end up in your city again this is different but then you are back into the same exact tutorial as everyone and proceen onto the same starting area. 

Blind, am I (when a person has no facts, they most often resort to personal attack, lol) 

Young ariboersma, your Google Fu is weak

I will show The 7 Fist of Google Fu

HayYa

 

 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/349103/page/1

 

 http://knightsofcaelo.com/index.php/forum/11-general/1134-gw2-cash-shop-leak?limit=10&start=10

 

 http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1125060-Buying-gold-with-cash-from-the-in-game-store-Tell-me-this-is-not-true

 

 http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/28010-why-do-i-need-to-grind-gold-to-play-the-game/

 

 http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/28092-playing-the-devil%E2%80%99s-advocate-why-trading-gems-for-gold-is-a-good-thing/

 

 http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/28292-getting-gems-with-in-game-gold-question/

 

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/28121-is-there-a-risk-of-inflation-due-to-people-trading-gems-for-gold-and-gold-for-gems/

 

You may rise from the floor now, young one.

 

To explain, in GW2 you can buy gems from the CS store.

you can then sell them to other players for in game gold.

I have read that one may take untell level 25-35 to make Gold.

So a new player could use real money to buy Gold in the game.

Real Money = Gems = Ingame Gold

This is not an real issue for high level player, but a new player could start with a very nice sume.

 

ariboersma, why have you not risen to your feet, I barely touched you.

Your wound looks severe, go see the doctor, you are done with practice for today. 

 

....and so Anet has taken the gold farmers market, away from them, giving the power to the new players, so by time the new players reach max level, the edge they had with gold, is moot and they are equal with everyone else. I like it.

Sounds like the only people losing are the gold farmers...lol.. cant say Im going to miss that spam in-game!

Do you realy thank that will change:

Gems are used for sieges, expect out side the pvp areas to hear: "GEMS for GOLD!!..I HAVE GEMS FOR GOLD!!!"

As I said, my issue is that I feel (and mind you, this is not to press your view of GW2, and it is just my issue) CS store should not sell items that then can be traded in game with others, 

in essence, (to me) its as if they gave up the battle with the gold farmers and just made it legal.

In my view, thats like the cops saying that eveyone can now be a crooks, just becouse they gave up.

I view that as week, very, very weak.

Now once more, this is just my feelings on it, I would not want you to not enjoy GW2, becouse on my views (you don't see me in the GW2 forum bad mouthing GW2 to its fans like some of them have come over here to do to TSW, do you, you know how you are, oh you still have not risen to your feet ).

We'll see how much more you'll be able to hype this game if it ever enters open beta. Oh wait, it's approaching release and we've yet to hear hardly anything about an open beta.

No online game that requires a subscription fee and hence wants to optimize the number of subscriptions would want to launch without hype. No hype and a lifetime subscription sort of implies that it's expecting itself to flop, or maybe investors got savvy after Funcom screwed up their last two online projects.

Calling other people stupid won't help you sell your game. In fact, people like you barely do anything to sell it as it is. Do you think anybody is going to buy that elitism and go out and play it to make themselves feel smarter?

It's simply asinine.

People don't play online games to be academics, they get PhDs.