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  Seriousblack

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5/03/12 9:57:25 AM#201

Originally posted by Ikeda


Originally posted by Seriousblack

 To get outplayed by someone with better gear because Dad and Mom gave up a credit card number, is troubling. 

I have always had a hard time wrapping my mind around this.


If you want to cry because someone paid money for stuff... GET A JOB.


I know this is an unpopular sentiment on this site but I have a job that consumes 60+ hrs, a family that consumes the rest, when I want to game, I game on MY terms.  Why should I not get to see some of the cool dungeons because I can't farm for rep for 8000000 years.  Why do I have to miss content because losers insist you have a certain item score in order to participate in a group?  Money levels that playing field.  PERIOD.


I would possibly throw a couple of bucks towards ToR as a F2P but again... only if it allowed me to do things my way.  As long as you have the ability to earn the same item for free in game... well then here's to you.


And you weren't outplayed because they threw money at a problem, you were outplayed because you just didn't think of the method first.  



Wrap your head around this, in your world apparently you believe money solves everything. It is precisely that concept that makes those like me, that do not share your view, cringe when engaging in rl or the gaming world. You actually believe the mmo was created for your very own manipulation, under your terms, for your use. That is self serving and simply unrealistic to believe that any game developing entity would cater to just you and ignore the designer's intent. So you work and have a family... maybe a mmorpg is not where you should be investing your time. Get a console. Most of the player base is just like you... jobs, careers, school, etc. In other words, limited gaming time. So your answer is ...money. I suppose you like cheats, and buy gold, as well. It certainly would fit the mentality of it's all about me. You are making the case. That is exactly why Ftp does not work, for those of us that play it the way it was designed. Mmorpg's are time sinks, period. Either you commit to that time or you don't (can't). So what, you don't see all the content... then don't sign up if that troubles you. Go play ftp and enjoy it. There is plenty out there and it fits your view. Of course I was not outplayed by those that want to throw money at it. I see that path, I just choose not to take it. Oh, btw I have a job, career and family as well. I use my rl money where it counts, on them.


 


  Ozzallos

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5/03/12 12:58:44 PM#202

Free to Play? Old Republic?  Excuse me while I choke on my laughter.

But seriously, this game cost what again? 300 million? It'll never see a return on investment if it does. Ever. That and the franchise is ultimately owned by a prima donna director with a ego rivaling Steve Jobs. Don't think its in the cards, frankly, but thanks for playing.

 

  Wolfhammer

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Joined: 12/11/08
Posts: 501

Bleh!

5/03/12 2:48:01 PM#203

Originally posted by Grakulen

If they really have 1.7 million subs (but I don't believe they do) then no they shouldn't. Why give up $60+million in revenue each month.

 


Oh man your maths is shite  lol


  nuttob

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5/03/12 10:39:27 PM#204

Played this game for about a month and a half.  Got one character to lev 50, and really loved all the solo instances.  I am playing a lot of other FTP titles, but when I was subbing to SWTOR, I felt obligated to get my $15 dollars worth ignoring my other titles.  SWTOR is my last sub ever.  There are just too many good FTP titles out there now.  I like the idea of absolutely no pressure to play one game over another, so it's BTP or FTP with no more subs ever again.  If this title goes FTP or BTP I will come back for sure.


  Illyssia

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5/04/12 5:56:02 AM#205

Mike. The subscription model is exactly what WoW uses, it isn't exactly a strange way for an mmo to maintain itself. The money does allow the game company to develop and patch in new content on a regular basis.  Given that SWTOR sub numbers are likely still healthy then Bioware is likely to maintain the sub model for the rest of the year.

  Dreyder

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Joined: 4/24/12
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5/04/12 9:52:15 AM#206





Originally posted by eayes





I don't play ToR or care either way but aren't there enough threads like this without a staff writer making one. What's next, "Is GW2 worth a sub?"



Well said... but really aren't MMORPG.com articles pretty much forum rants at this point anwyays? This "news" site is more like overdressed troll posts if you ask me.... doomsayer pandering.


There are tons of servers with decent population and if you expect filled newbie zones after 5 months you don't know anything about MMOs.

 


I play the 1.2 content on a weekly basis, I'm getting my money's worth... they got tons more content in the pipeline... frankly I'll be enjoying my 5th free content patch before GW2's devs are done fixing their bugs and in the end I'd rather deal with a sub than a cash store.

 


Can't wait til GW2 comes out so it can all at once act like a giant pacifier AND crush those fanboy hard-ons with a cold bucket of reality.


 


  Force_Fire

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Posts: 148

5/04/12 11:43:29 AM#207

Perhaps I'm out of touch, but $15 bucks isn't a lot of money. I spend that much on Lunch everyday. Go see any movie this weekend and you'll pay at least $15.00. You can't even buy a full tank of gas for $15.00. Would Free be better???.....sure. But what does that mean? Will we get More or Less content in the future? Will the game be better somehow because you are no longer paying a fee?

Personally, I don't care either way. I don't miss the $15.00 each month. I still enjoy the game and have no plans to leave.

 

So make it free.......or not.  meh

  blackafrica

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Joined: 8/27/10
Posts: 17

Power to the People

5/05/12 3:45:16 AM#208

I loved KotOR and when I first heard about SW:TOR I was very excited. I signed up for the beta as soon as I could.  Then I played the Beta and thought "this would be a great b2p game or single player RPG, but I'm not paying a for a sub." It seemed to me that it would be fun for maybe 4-8 playthroughs just to get the different stories, but after that it didn't seem to have much to offer. In the end I didn't buy it and I don't regret it. If it went f2p I would totally play it just to enjoy the stories for the different classes, but I will never pay for a subscription.


  User Deleted
5/05/12 11:09:24 AM#209

"it won’t necessarily be because the game isn’t performing well; it would just be an AAA developer making a smart business decision. "




Whew!




Good to know it's not because the game is perceived as an MMORPG fail by some if not many.




Also good to see mmorpg.com is not downplaying expectations or backpeddling.




/wipe_brow




 





 

  User Deleted
5/05/12 11:35:54 AM#210
Originally posted by jdnewell
Originally posted by Mors.Magne

I think all sci-fi MMORPG are up against strong opposition with Eve Online on the market - CCP evolve their game.


Neither SWTOR or Eve Online were that great in the first few months, but SWTOR isn't even trying to adapt.

No offense against EVE or its playerbase but it is not even a contender for the sub numbers TOR wants & needs. EVE has its niche player base and overall has done pretty well. But TOR will probably be shut down if it drops enough subs to be at EVE subsciption numbers.

And the TOR fans are pretty much opposite in every way possible from EVE fans. Other than they are humans & are breathing.

"But TOR will probably be shut down if it drops enough subs to be at EVE subsciption numbers."

Probably, since they have that huge nut to pay off, 200, 300 million... w/e

I might play it as f2p as long as they implement it similar to lotr and I don't have loud, annoying popups like EQII "encouraging" me to upgrade.

Hopefully they'll have enough rich fanboi whales not to have to get greedy with the cash shop so the average person can enjoy playing.

We'll see.

  User Deleted
5/05/12 11:36:55 AM#211

Does not matter if go F2P or not, I will not play it personally because is a bad game. End of story.

  Souldrainer

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5/05/12 1:58:37 PM#212

On one hand, 1.2 was a step in the wrong direction.

On the other hand, if it goes F2P, most people who play it now will quit.  I, for one, will not pay $100 a month to play anything.  That is essentially what F2P means.  Let's not sugar coat it.

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  RizelStar

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5/05/12 2:01:38 PM#213
Originally posted by Souldrainer

On one hand, 1.2 was a step in the wrong direction.

On the other hand, if it goes F2P, most people who play it now will quit.  I, for one, will not pay $100 a month to play anything.  That is essentially what F2P means.  Let's not sugar coat it.

Can we not exaggerate it either?

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P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)

Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.

  Wearacup

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UO made people nervous, now it just makes them dress funny.

5/07/12 11:48:15 AM#214
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Trammies need to stop polluting the MMORPG landscape. They already have enough games in which to emote hugs and sell garbage by the banks.

  waynejr2

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5/07/12 11:57:09 AM#215
Originally posted by Deleted User

Does not matter if go F2P or not, I will not play it personally because is a bad game. End of story.

So those who say it's a bad game yet want it free to play must be full of it.

  Terranah

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5/07/12 12:00:59 PM#216

Even if it was free to play I still wouldn't play it in it's current form.  $15 per month is cheap.  It's a nonissue in determinging how I spend my free time.

 

But I think if it went f2p I would be even less inclined to go back at a later date because that model of being nickle and dimed is irritating.

  ktanner3

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5/07/12 12:07:56 PM#217
Originally posted by Mixxathon

Bitchers bitch, whiners whine and haters hate - it´s their function in life.

I would say that those who whine the hardest are those who came to SWTOR seeking a pure gaming experience, spaced through all content to get to lvl 50 and found that it was not WoW at all. And as do all who have an oppinion believes that theirs are the only one valid, they brand SWTOR as Failed - and in their world it probably is.

Then we have the others, Star Wars fans who relish in walking around on location just for the sake of walking around, taking in the sounds, wielding lightsabers or blasters when needed, getting immersed in the gameworld. For those, SWTOR is nothing less that total Win, and 15 bucks a month is a basement bargain for such a rare treat.

Then we have the casuals, the vast majority of the paying customers, who perhaps have an hour or two after work or school to play, and this is where the game truly shines. You can put in a short time and still have a feeling that you have accomplished something. When limited gametime applies, every moment playing counts. If one only manages to get into a couple of Warzones a day, they will be memorable, if one can only run a couple of quests, they will stay in memory longer, if one just hangs in the cantina with a couple of buddies, that has more meaning than much else that day. The rare opportunity to partake in an Operation will feel truly epic.

So, you see, there are so many ways to enjoy a game. You who wait for GW2, SWTOR was obviously not really for you and you should have known that from the beginning and never have visited to begin with. If you now long for pandas, I bid thee farewell. Servermerges will come, character transfers will come, bugs will be squashed - and all that will be left in SWTOR will be those who actually play the game because they like it and not merely uses it as a steppingstone for that elusive "better game" that always seems to wait around the corner.


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Pretty much sums up my opinion. The only games that go FTP are the ones that can't maintain a sub base of 100,000, and then those games usually end up nickle and diming you to death. No thanks. You people that are too cheap to pay a sub fee, please stick with single player games and leave this genre alone.

Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  ktanner3

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5/07/12 12:10:23 PM#218
Originally posted by Souldrainer

On one hand, 1.2 was a step in the wrong direction.

On the other hand, if it goes F2P, most people who play it now will quit.  I, for one, will not pay $100 a month to play anything.  That is essentially what F2P means.  Let's not sugar coat it.

I agree. There's no way I'll keep playing this game if it goes the route of STO. I don't want to be nickel and dimed for the best weapons or gear.

Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  GoldenArrow

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5/07/12 12:12:31 PM#219

B2P imho. The game is definately worth the box price.

But the game just sucks so bad once you get through the story and the endgame starts.

  Ambros123

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5/07/12 12:12:41 PM#220
Originally posted by Souldrainer

On one hand, 1.2 was a step in the wrong direction.

On the other hand, if it goes F2P, most people who play it now will quit.  I, for one, will not pay $100 a month to play anything.  That is essentially what F2P means.  Let's not sugar coat it.

And let's not lie out our teeth either.  Look at DDO or LotRO, perfect examples that a F2P MMO can be cheap.  Sure you go VIP for a little bit to get TP or buy some TP up but in the end it is very cheap to play there.

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