Originally posted by killion81

Originally posted by helthros

Oh and lol at how easily simple minds are enthralled by a new gimmick doing the same Kill X quests.

 

All MMORPGs forever will have 'Kill X quests'.  It's a staple of the genre and there is no other way to give a quest to kill mobs.  GW2 may not specifically say kill 10 centaurs, but for the heart to fill up, you need to kill 10 centaurs, or for the 3 waves to finish, you need to kill 10 centaurs.  

 

There are few things that are "quest worthy" in an RPG.  They pretty much always fit into go get this, deliver this or go kill something.

And most of the GW2 DEs have a combination of all 3.

Personally I probably won't play either of them, at least until TERA goes f2p which will be before the year is out.  TERA does not have enough content to keep a subscription playerbase happy.

The things that turned me off in TERA was the absurd female outfits.  Also the ridiculous tank with a lance.  Yeah, I know it is a game, but ridiculous is ridiculous in my book.

I will say I found TERA fun to play, but not enough to justify purchase and subscription.  I don't like short term games, if I am going to put time into developing a character, I don't want to turn around and drop the game after a few months.

GW2 I am taking a wait and see attitude on it.  Was not impressed with the Beta.

Originally posted by Xzen

Originally posted by killion81

Originally posted by helthros

Oh and lol at how easily simple minds are enthralled by a new gimmick doing the same Kill X quests.

 

All MMORPGs forever will have 'Kill X quests'.  It's a staple of the genre and there is no other way to give a quest to kill mobs.  GW2 may not specifically say kill 10 centaurs, but for the heart to fill up, you need to kill 10 centaurs, or for the 3 waves to finish, you need to kill 10 centaurs.  

 

There are few things that are "quest worthy" in an RPG.  They pretty much always fit into go get this, deliver this or go kill something.

And most of the GW2 DEs have a combination of all 3.

The hearts generally have all of the possible objective types, which doesn't make it different than previous quests from other games.  The DEs tend to have a set single objective which is one of the types (gather this for me or kill these bad guys).  That's not to say I didn't have fun during the weekend event.  However, it's only fair to call something what it is.  GW2's 'quests' are not revolutionary, but the quest delivery system is something different.

Originally posted by Rollmeister

*Grabs Popcorn*

 

This could be interesting to watch.  Personally TERA doesn't appeal, but I am glad that there are multiple MMOs coming out that are trying to move the genre in different ways.  Diversification is good.  As long as people can finally accept that a game doesn't need 10 million subscribers to be succesful then there may well be games for all of us, regardless of what we look for in a game.

 

The only people that have an obsession with that are wowkiddies. And honestly, I am happy if all of them stick to playing wow and leave the other games idiot-free

I couldn't get into TERA when I tried it out. The combat really didn't interest me but it was probably even more so I didn't care for that same ol' quest delivery. But with that said I think it's still a good game and one I will try again later down the line. I am really interested in the political system and diving into that.

So for me GW2 will end up with my time because it grabbed me initially during the BWE and first impressions go a long way. But I think the contest between games is rather pointless and contradicts what we should want as gamers. At least to me, we should both to flourish so we have more gaming options. For far too long we mainly only had WoW and had to continually fall back onto it even if we truly didn't overly enjoy it.

Now we have choices and options and last I checked that's a really good thing. Can't even forget TSW which is around the corner.

Originally posted by killion81

Originally posted by Xzen

Originally posted by killion81

Originally posted by helthros

Oh and lol at how easily simple minds are enthralled by a new gimmick doing the same Kill X quests.

 

All MMORPGs forever will have 'Kill X quests'.  It's a staple of the genre and there is no other way to give a quest to kill mobs.  GW2 may not specifically say kill 10 centaurs, but for the heart to fill up, you need to kill 10 centaurs, or for the 3 waves to finish, you need to kill 10 centaurs.  

 

There are few things that are "quest worthy" in an RPG.  They pretty much always fit into go get this, deliver this or go kill something.

And most of the GW2 DEs have a combination of all 3.

 

The hearts generally have all of the possible objective types, which doesn't make it different than previous quests from other games.  The DEs tend to have a set single objective which is one of the types (gather this for me or kill these bad guys).  That's not to say I didn't have fun during the weekend event.  However, it's only fair to call something what it is.  GW2's 'quests' are not revolutionary, but the quest delivery system is something different.

I agree.

Originally posted by rammur65

tera just a basic korean grind fest  just alot prettier nothing remotely diffrent from it except the vanarch system which i think they had a similar concept in archlord back in the day people are just naive to see it at least gw2 just feels so much diffrent than most mmos out there.

 

"...nothing remotely different..." and then naming differences in the same sentence is a contradiction. You named differences and even forgot to mention a couple more differences than other mmos. True ability to dodge attacks and the requirment to actually aim attacks without targetting. 

Originally posted by Aalamr
I agree, Tera is not a grind fest. I am level 39 and have yet to run out of quests. I will admit that the quests are just like every other mmo but for me the combat makes up for that. I don't understand why people think these two games can't coexist.

i have a guestion...the bams from lev 20-30-39 have different mechanics or its all  the same and u use the same tactic to kill them?

Originally posted by Josexph
So people are talking about how you get rooted in combat in Tera. This must e class specific, because while playing a priest I am constantly moving around, and Only stop when I have to cast a few spells. I have yet to try all of the classes, but from what I have played there is no just stopping, you must continue moving.

Anyone able to enlighten me?

Nothing against Tera, I'm very happy for the simple fact that they are trying new things and like GW2 breaking the mmo mold imposed by wow. Having said that, comparing the combat style of both games, i have to say that GW2 is more action based and more dynamic. In Tera, you have to stop running, cast, and then keep running. In GW2 you can keep running while casting. Making it for me not just a better game to play but a much more fun experience. But that's me.

I disagree with Luke's opinion about the combat. If you played games like Vindictus, C9, Cabal Online, 2Moons, DCUO, etc. you'll get a similar feeling in Tera. It is an Action oriented Combat System. GW2 is in between WoW and Tera.

Both games look uninteresting. 

The art for Tera is rediculous.  I absolutely hate the overly elaborate, 9 foot long sword and armor that looks like something GWAR would wear if they were all gay (not that there's anything wrong with that).

GW2 looks ok, but not great.  I'm not getting the hype at all... at least I can look at it without wanting to vomit.  I just can't get into anything that is so instanced.

For me, it's all about Dominus (a real 3 sided PvP game) and Diablo 3 (sticking to the classics here).

Originally posted by joocheese

Originally posted by Josexph
So people are talking about how you get rooted in combat in Tera. This must e class specific, because while playing a priest I am constantly moving around, and Only stop when I have to cast a few spells. I have yet to try all of the classes, but from what I have played there is no just stopping, you must continue moving.

Anyone able to enlighten me?

Nothing against Tera, I'm very happy for the simple fact that they are trying new things and like GW2 breaking the mmo mold imposed by wow. Having said that, comparing the combat style of both games, i have to say that GW2 is more action based and more dynamic. In Tera, you have to stop running, cast, and then keep running. In GW2 you can keep running while casting. Making it for me not just a better game to play but a much more fun experience. But that's me.

People who play TERA know this is not completely true.

What Really got me was this line

"Dodging seemed to be a token gesture in Guild Wars 2; monsters swiftly caught up with me when I ran out of stamina after 3 jumps.  Because of this, the difficulty of monsters seemed punishing"

???

???

What? Dodging is absolutly vital in GW2. In fact its a core combat mechanic. You don't dodge to run away. You dodge to avoid attacks......like.....you know......in TERA. Not to mention that the dodges can be modified via traits. 

Both games have merits, but this seems like an uninformed opinion that doesn't serve either game very well.

Originally posted by Purgatus

What Really got me was this line

"Dodging seemed to be a token gesture in Guild Wars 2; monsters swiftly caught up with me when I ran out of stamina after 3 jumps.  Because of this, the difficulty of monsters seemed punishing"

???

???

What? Dodging is absolutly vital in GW2. In fact its a core combat mechanic. You don't dodge to run away. You dodge to avoid attacks......like.....you know......in TERA. Not to mention that the dodges can be modified via traits. 

Both games have merits, but this seems like an uninformed opinion that doesn't serve either game very well.

Yeah dodging isn't used as a crutch or a tool for "running away" in GW2, it's used as a ping-pong to dodge attacks in between skill cooldowns that allow you to mitigate damage or stun/CC etc. in some way.

That + kiting mobs and other movement skills (speed boosts, teleports, leaps etc.) it's not EASY but possible to defeat most enemies in GW2 without taking a point of damage, even as a melee character.

But it's not easy.

Dodge needs to be viewed as just another skill in your toolbox, not an end-all solution for avoiding damage.

But one piece of many in your build.

Originally posted by joocheese

Originally posted by Josexph
So people are talking about how you get rooted in combat in Tera. This must e class specific, because while playing a priest I am constantly moving around, and Only stop when I have to cast a few spells. I have yet to try all of the classes, but from what I have played there is no just stopping, you must continue moving.

Anyone able to enlighten me?

Nothing against Tera, I'm very happy for the simple fact that they are trying new things and like GW2 breaking the mmo mold imposed by wow. Having said that, comparing the combat style of both games, i have to say that GW2 is more action based and more dynamic. In Tera, you have to stop running, cast, and then keep running. In GW2 you can keep running while casting. Making it for me not just a better game to play but a much more fun experience. But that's me.

Ah, so in guild wars 2 every spell is just cast and run. I see, ok I was a bit confuses when people where saying you couldn't move in Tera. Though this all depends on class. As a preist, I have many instant cast spells, so essentially I can just continue moving also. But as a lancer...there really isn't a point to it.