Originally posted by Alot

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Originally posted by f0dell54

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Originally posted by BadSpock

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Originally posted by Sector13

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Originally posted by BadSpock I don't think the bias is obvious, I think that TERA as a whole is nothing but another Eastern themed EQ clone with a gimmick, just like every other MMO since WoW that has been over hyped and has crashed and burned.

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Yet you're seemingly defending a game that will end up the same way ... make a whole lot of sense. 

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I honestly believe GW2 is different enough to be one of the first "unique" additions to the MMORPG genre since about 2004.    

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Well, back when he was defending SW:TOR he had already played the game and was occasionally defending GW2, despite not having played the latter.

I honestly had the wool pulled over my eyes with SW:TOR just because it was Bioware and it was Star Wars.

I'll admit my shame. But also, I did really, really enjoy TOR for the first month or so before the reality of what the game really was and what it was lacking set in.

How could I have known the combat in TOR would become so mind numbing and the stories so canned and the decisions so trivial from a few dozen hours in BETA?

GW2 is different enough right off the bat from level 1 where a lot of my skepticism is gone. I will be the first to admit I am worried GW2 will lose it's shine after a month or so too, but for me a good 75% of my enjoyment of a game is based on if my friends/guildies keep playing, and they all abandoned ship in TOR after the first month.

I really don't see the same happening in GW2 because of the way they do PvP and how well it is done for one, and secondly how different the PvE offerings really are when compared to the "standard" quest hub grinding + trinity combat TOR offered.

Originally posted by Rollmeister

Two things.  Firstly, what does BAM stand for?  Sorry for being dense. Secondly, if the combat in TERA is not great until level 20+ is this going to put new players off do you think?

 

Rubbish. The combat starts at a comfortable pace and ramps up the higher you get. At 20 is when you can start using glyphs which add another dimension to your playstyle.

That's why I think you see people say "starts at 20". 

Oh and your first question. BAM stands for Big Ass Monster. En Masse coined the term I think. Started out as an inside funny way of calling the big monsters.

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Originally posted by Rollmeister
Two things.  Firstly, what does BAM stand for?  Sorry for being dense. Secondly, if the combat in TERA is not great until level 20+ is this going to put new players off do you think?
 

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It stands for something only someone who is physically mature, yet mentally immature could come up with.

*Sigh*

Originally posted by Lazarus71

Originally posted by BadSpock

An honest reply and one I have heard before. I actually really like the idea of BAM's and group based leveling up and all that, I really enjoy challenging group content especially in the open world, but I just don't see the cost of the game + subscription being justified by what I have seen in TERA thus far.

 Fair enough Spock, to each thier own. I had the money so I went ahead and bought Tera and for now I have no problem paying the 15 a month to play the game. When GW2 drops I will most definately be buying the game and then who knows Tera might go the way of the dinosaurs for me personally. Only time will tell.

Part of me wants to buy TERA anyway and hope I get enough enjoyment out of it to last until GW2 is released, but I'm trying to be "good" and not "waste" money on yet another MMO that will fade to my uninstall shelf after a few weeks/month.

TERA has ruined traditional tab targetting MMOs for me :(

I want to like GW2, but watching the videos it seemed like a zerg-fest. Go in mashing buttons, once you're low use your defensive cooldown (that everyone has) rinse, repeat.

After playing TERA with the action lock, making you actually have to choose when to use an attack, the combat in GW2 reminds me of that youtube video with the little fat kid flailing his fake lightsaber around.

For me, it's more a choice between GW2 and Diablo3 to compliment my TERA and EVE gaming.

Originally posted by NBlitz

Originally posted by Rollmeister

Two things.  Firstly, what does BAM stand for?  Sorry for being dense. Secondly, if the combat in TERA is not great until level 20+ is this going to put new players off do you think?

 

Rubbish. The combat starts at a comfortable pace and ramps up the higher you get. At 20 is when you can start using glyphs which add another dimension to your playstyle.

That's why I think you see people say "starts at 20". 

 Notice I said it starts to really shine at 20+. I myself fell in love with the combat from lvl one.

Originally posted by Paragus1

GW2 Vs TERA, I guess it was bound to happen.   GW2 for wins hands down.   I will yield the fact that TERA might have a more unrestricted combat system, but GW2 also offers more freedom in terms of dodging over the standard MMO.

The issue is this:  I would gladly give up a little of the freedom as GW2 does in exchange for not having to grind through the quest hubs of generic quests nobody will read, grind Asian style while surrounded by little people with bunny ears, and pay $15 a month do to it.   GW2 offers everything TERA does and does it better without a monthly fee, in exchange for a little less open combat system (again better than every other theme park).

 

No way TERA survives in the West longer than 60-90 days as a big name in the market.   Diablo 3 and Guild Wars 2 (both with no fee to play) will give players no reason to pay a monthly fee for a game that outside of it's combat is a complete rehash carbon copy of all the bargain bin MMOs that have come before it.  It breaks the mold, but not enough to justify paying a monthly fee when the market will be offering people equal or better alternatives without one.

Unless you accidentally hit the accept button for a year long contract to a game that you can't bring yourself to log into anymore...and yes I label it an accident!!!!

Originally posted by NBlitz

Originally posted by Rollmeister

Two things.  Firstly, what does BAM stand for?  Sorry for being dense. Secondly, if the combat in TERA is not great until level 20+ is this going to put new players off do you think?

 

Rubbish. The combat starts at a comfortable pace and ramps up the higher you get. At 20 is when you can start using glyphs which add another dimension to your playstyle.

That's why I think you see people say "starts at 20". 

That's fine.  I was genuinely just curious.  Several people had said that the combat doesn't open up intil level 20+, it's something I read in a few places.  I am keen to see MMOs diversify and I would hate it if the cmbat was slow starting and so the entire concept was dropped/not used again because of that.

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Originally posted by Zekiah
Ten bucks says it changes to GW2 on it's release.

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This man speaks truth. BTW GW2 wins btw. Tera is just 'another' MMO. GW2 brings a change to the MMO genre. Tera tries to, but doesnt do nearly as much.

Originally posted by BadSpock

Pro Tip: If you think GW2 combat is like any other "traditional" tank+spank "sit there and spam skills" MMO than you are either

A) doing it wrong

B) never got past level 3-4 or so

C) both A and B

D) actually playing TERA

 

BAsically, which is why i don't know why folk are getting upset.  So now you can jump on heads and direct the jump, still mario brothers. still the same game. still kill 100 trees. still stupid quests (veteran trees have bark, none of the others do).  

I've yet to find anyone who played gw2 to level 20 and played tera to level 20 tell me that tera has better combat, it just aint happening

Originally posted by BillMurphy

Originally posted by punkrock

I for one am stuck picking 3 games, TSW,GW2,Tera. This helpd me a little and i will say GW2 is for me hands down, also being a DAOC vet helps to with picking GW2. know do a GW2 vs TSW and i will be glued to see what y'all come up with.

When we can, we will!  ;)

 

Very awesome news ^_^  thanks !

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Lazarus71

Originally posted by BadSpock

An honest reply and one I have heard before. I actually really like the idea of BAM's and group based leveling up and all that, I really enjoy challenging group content especially in the open world, but I just don't see the cost of the game + subscription being justified by what I have seen in TERA thus far.

 Fair enough Spock, to each thier own. I had the money so I went ahead and bought Tera and for now I have no problem paying the 15 a month to play the game. When GW2 drops I will most definately be buying the game and then who knows Tera might go the way of the dinosaurs for me personally. Only time will tell.

Part of me wants to buy TERA anyway and hope I get enough enjoyment out of it to last until GW2 is released, but I'm trying to be "good" and not "waste" money on yet another MMO that will fade to my uninstall shelf after a few weeks/month.

 I know exactly how you feel lol. The MMO graveyard of boxes sitting next to my comp is truly astounding. Oh if I added up all that money.

Originally posted by Lazarus71

 

 Honestly in my opinion and many others (good or bad that it takes that long) the combat does not start to shine truly untill lvl 20+ when you start taking on the BAMs. I'm not saying that it would change your opinion though because I'm not you.  :)

Well, lets see, you are comparing a game who 'starts to shine' only after level 20, which is ok, because you have to work your way to have reward (n that case, fun). But at the same time you are telling us that until level 20 its not that fun... Well, if compared to GW2 which is fun from level 1 we must say that Tera, to be compared to GW2 have be a HELL of a fun on level 20!!! Much, much, much better than GW2 in every single feature, because, hey, I had to grind 20 levels of our every day MMO only to see it 'shine'... From that point on, we already have a winner even if GW2 is less fun than Tera on 20ìsh... Specially for me, who dont have time to wait the game to became fun... Specially with a game who already deliver me fun from day one... Even if this game is not that fun on highend, I have already had my piece of fun and I am attached to my character.

I will tell what I think from my experience on MMO. Its always the same excuse... The game 'only'  shines from level xx, which is the perfect excuse for a beta failure (in fun).

Originally posted by Alot

 

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Originally posted by Rollmeister
Two things.  Firstly, what does BAM stand for?  Sorry for being dense. Secondly, if the combat in TERA is not great until level 20+ is this going to put new players off do you think?
 

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It stands for something only someone who is physically mature, yet mentally immature could come up with.

*Sigh*

I thought it would be something like that, but hoped I would be wrong.  Thanks for the info.

Originally posted by helthros

TERA has ruined traditional tab targetting MMOs for me :(

 

I want to like GW2, but watching the videos it seemed like a zerg-fest. Go in mashing buttons, once you're low use your defensive cooldown (that everyone has) rinse, repeat.

 

After playing TERA with the action lock, making you actually have to choose when to use an attack, the combat in GW2 reminds me of that youtube video with the little fat kid flailing his fake lightsaber around.

 

For me, it's more a choice between GW2 and Diablo3 to compliment my TERA and EVE gaming.

 

1st play the game, i always play the games before i give my feedback i don´t launch in the air things that aren´t true.

You are entitle to your opinion but with true valid points not false statements.

Originally posted by Domenicus

Originally posted by Lazarus71

 

 Honestly in my opinion and many others (good or bad that it takes that long) the combat does not start to shine truly untill lvl 20+ when you start taking on the BAMs. I'm not saying that it would change your opinion though because I'm not you.  :)

 

Well, lets see, you are comparing a game who 'starts to shine' only after level 20, which is ok, because you have to work your way to have reward (n that case, fun). But at the same time you are telling us that until level 20 its not that fun... Well, if compared to GW2 which is fun from level 1 we must say that Tera, to be compared to GW2 have be a HELL of a fun on level 20!!! Much, much, much better than GW2 in every single feature, because, hey, I had to grind 20 levels of our every day MMO only to see it 'shine'... From that point on, we already have a winner even if GW2 is less fun than Tera on 20ìsh... Specially for me, who dont have time to wait the game to became fun... Specially with a game who already deliver me fun from day one... Even if this game is not that fun on highend, I have already had my piece of fun and I am attached to my character.

 

I will tell what I think from my experience on MMO. Its always the same excuse... The game 'only'  shines from level xx, which is the perfect excuse for a beta failure (in fun).

 You might want to see the post I made while you were writing this one.  I fell in love with the combat at lvl 1. I am just saying it starts to really shine at lvl 20+. If the game and combat had not grabbed me at the start I would not have purchased it.

TERA may have the boring quest grind system in place, but what of the DE's? Are they not merely quest grinding? Won't the same DE get old the 5th time you've done it on the 3rd character you are leveling? I'm not going to base my opinions of a game on something that will be dull in a month anyways. GW2 has no character progression. For people that love spamming battlegrounds / WvWvW I'm sure this is fine, but for people that play MMORPGs for character progression and advancement, GW2 will be a 1 month affair. 

I also don't know how people can even begin to compare GW2s combat to TERAs.  Run around in circles like a chicken with your head cut off hoping that your latency is better than your enemies (GW2) or strategic aim-based combat where every move you make has benefits / risks associated with it (TERA). 

That being said, I play TERA now, and will buy GW2 as well. The DE's will be fun to see once and I'm sure I can hop in PVP from time to time. GW2 will always just be a secondary game though, but with no sub? Who cares.