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5/02/12 2:30:12 PM#41
Link Realms
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5/02/12 2:38:21 PM#42
That definition of sandbox isn't really what the original users of the word intended. The entire point is delineating between games where the player chooses between "rides" (themeparks) and games where the player shapes the world (sandbox.) Unless a feature lets the player manipulate the world in some way, it's not really a sandbox trait. ...so most of the list is just "features often found in sandboxes", not "features that make something sandbox." |
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5/02/12 3:21:18 PM#43
Originally posted by Axehilt I agree with you Axehilt. But most people will compare features, if it has FFA PvP and Loot...it must be sanbox... In reality this is a Lower level (in a graph) PoV, and the difference in my view lies in a higher level. Because a Themepark could have FFA PvP with loot, it may not be as fun since most of the Lowbies will get slaughtered and looted..but it is not an intrinsic Sandbox feature, same goes for Housing. So while I do really like Larsa's thread and efforts here, the approach to qualify a Game as a Sandbox or not based only on the number of Sandbox Features it contains, may not be it. I understand however that since most people see it like that it maybe the more sensible approach, yet at the same time someone could make a Themepark game and pass it as a Sandbox his way while in reality it may not be.
A few words on Shaping the world, in the strict sense, Minecraft as a game would be the Ideal Sanbox, you can dig a hole on the ground rechape complete mountens etc etc. But, reshaping the world can be done though other ways, not requiring physical alteration of the environment. Lets take for Example UO, there is no doubt that UO is a Sandbox game, yet one cannot reshape the environment physically like Minecraft. But the environment can be altered by Housing and the Communities around it and inside it. Where there was just a Forest, someone may have now built a Medium House, and Opened a tavern or an Inn, all of the sudden that Wild part of the world becomes a Social Hotspot with many people coming and going and interacting together. This is no longer a wild spot of Forest where only wildlife wanders in. That piece of the world was changed by the actions of the players. Ultimatelly however, this very same action could happen in a Themepark game too, it is just that it has not been within the vision of any Themepark devellopers in most of the games. So even "the capacity to reshape the world" does not necessarilly make a game (an MMO), Sandbox, in my opinion, or Minecraft a Sandbox. What makes Minecraft a Sandbox is that you could do the reshaping everywhere from the first instance that you log in to its world freely without constraints or the game telling you where to go or a path to follow. Open Ended gameplay, like for instance, "Mount and Blade", but in an MMO is in my opinion the stronges element that makes the difference. In such a game the player could operate and interact in any point of the world from day one, it is open ended, meaning there is no predefined Progression Path to follow for the character. The player makes their own Path for their Character in the world as the player sees fit and based on their own decisions, and each game session can be completelly different and never the same. The game Environment is designed in such a way as to permit for this to happen... In UO I could start in Minoc, or Britain, but decide to walk to Trinsic and establish my self there on day one, with newbie skills and all and still have an experience, nothing in the game prevents one to have that Freedom. And that is what freedom is about, which, btw, constitutes another important element of a Sandbox. Open Ended gameplay implies Freedom. Conversely, in a Themepark you are not Free to be anywhere, you have to follow and explore the world and opperate in it according to the established progression path. |
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Originally posted by Shari As I understand it Link Realms is not released but rather in a (continuous?) state of beta. Granted, one could say the same about quite some games ... Anyway, I wanted to list games that people can play now (after all that's the purpose of the thread), and thus I exclude games where one has to apply for beta. Sorry. Happy to list it when it gets released. I maintain this List of Sandbox MMORPGs. Please post or send PM for corrections and suggestions. |
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5/02/12 4:38:07 PM#45
http://minecraft-server-list.com/ Every server type you could imagine under the sun. Play single player or create your own server. You can find servers with 400+ people. How this game is not listed on MMORPG.com when games like Diablo 3, League of Legends etc are is just mind boggling. Minecraft is huge on youtube and the creations are endless. How to post links. Check it Archeage |
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5/02/12 4:44:46 PM#46
Originally posted by nilden Minecraft is not a sandbox, it has zero character development. Cute game, but definitely NOT a sandbox. |
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5/02/12 5:10:08 PM#47
Originally posted by Ozmodan Uh, it's almost the literal textbook definition of a sandbox... It quite literally is a sandbox. The only thing you could question is whether it's an MMORPG. But it's very obviously a sandbox. |
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Originally posted by Axehilt Yes, that is my opinion too. It certainly is a sandbox, but not an MMORPG in my opinion. I maintain this List of Sandbox MMORPGs. Please post or send PM for corrections and suggestions. |
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5/02/12 5:29:23 PM#49
Originally posted by Larsa It's more of an MMORPG than Global Agenda, League of Legends, Diablo 3, DOTA or Dota 2, all of which are listed on this site. It has literally thousands of servers that support over 100+ people. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-vM2GDgMrE Yea watch that, not an mmorpg... How to post links. Check it Archeage |
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5/02/12 6:06:11 PM#50
Originally posted by nilden wow I havnt played Minecraft the original game only IOS/Android versions.
but I am interested. How does Multiplayer work?
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5/02/12 6:10:37 PM#51
Originally posted by MMOExposed Depends on the server, some are pvp, some are building, some economy, check out the link they have pretty good descriptions. How to post links. Check it Archeage |
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5/02/12 6:17:58 PM#52
Originally posted by Ozmodan Minecraft is not a sandbox, it has zero character development. Cute game, but definitely NOT a sandbox.
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Originally posted by nilden Sorry, nilden. I'm just a random guy who makes a list of sandbox MMORPGs (with the help of the posters here), and as long as the mods let me do it I couldn't care less what other games are listed on this site. My list is completely unrelated to what games the staff here at MMORPG.com lists. I'm sure they have their reasons. I maintain this List of Sandbox MMORPGs. Please post or send PM for corrections and suggestions. |
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5/02/12 6:22:44 PM#54
Originally posted by Larsa Well I'd ask that you give Minecraft an honorable mention then. It's a fantastic game for someone looking to play a sandbox. How to post links. Check it Archeage |
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5/02/12 6:29:04 PM#55
Yeah I dont see how minecraft is a sandbox either...I dont really even consider it a game.....Just like your lego blocks weren't a game either.
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GeezerGamer
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5/02/12 6:35:33 PM#56
I think that in the spirit of why people chose to play Sand Boxes over Theme Parks, I'd have to say MC fits the bill. I'd say add it to the list. Maybe a brief description on how it differes from traditional RPGS, but certainly, For what it offers and why people "Sand Box" Yeah, Definitely. If the conversation turned "Tit-for-Tat", and I've stopped posting, Consider it your win. |
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Worstluck
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5/02/12 6:36:16 PM#57
Minecraft is sandbox video game, it's the very definition of it. But it's not a RPG and there is no character development, thus it's not an MMORPG. it's online and it's multiplayer, but it's no MMORPG. I wont argue with the sillyness of having games like Diablo III and LoL on here, they aren't MMORPGs either. The publishers advertise here so this website lists them on the site. We all know better though.
Anyways, bumping this thread because it's not about GW2.
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5/02/12 6:39:53 PM#58
Minecraft is a sandbox-building... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minecraft The very first words on the wiki. If you can't tell minecraft is a sandbox game I question if you even know what one is. How to post links. Check it Archeage |
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5/02/12 6:45:16 PM#59
Originally posted by Ozmodan
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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5/02/12 7:56:12 PM#60
Originally posted by Ozmodan What does that have to do with anything? You can perhaps argue that a lack of character development means it's not an MMORPG, but it's very much a sandbox. ----- My definition of a sandbox is that it's a game without a prescribed order for doing things. There might be bits and pieces of, you have to do A before you can do B, but it should be sensibly possible to do most particular pieces of content in the game before or after the bulk of the rest of the game's content. |
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