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  Palladin

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OP  5/02/12 4:26:04 PM#1

I spent nearly the entire WBE playing as I have always played (face rolling the hotkeys) which means I died ALLOT.  At first it was really annoying. But near the end of the event I started learning the skills more and began to use them in a more thought out process.

 

Basicly I had to read and re-read all the ability descriptions and experiment with diff combos to see what worked best which is currently a work in progress.

Face rolling the keyboard jsut does not work with this game.

 

I am not trolling here.

This was my good humored atempt to point out the difference in combat between GW2 and every other game ever made and my lack of ability to quickly adjust to the new combat dynamic. I will get it ...i'll practice untill I do ....then I will chop your face off..:)

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  MMOExposed

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5/02/12 4:31:59 PM#2

Honestly, you can still face roll just have to watch your movement.

 

Thats the realiy of it. I went into WvW as a level 2 enigneer without all my weapon skills. Was fighting level 80 npc like nothing. Just have to make sure your movement is right. Face roll away!!!

  VowOfSilence

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5/02/12 4:38:20 PM#3

Which class / weapon sets did you use? What level were the mobs?

Because i didn't even have to faceroll with thief, pressing 111111 was good enough most of the time. Could have easily killed mobs 10 lvls above mine with cripple + autoattck, if the game would have allowed me to deal more than 0-1 damage to them...

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  Volkon

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5/02/12 4:39:26 PM#4
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Honestly, you can still face roll just have to watch your movement.

 

Thats the realiy of it. I went into WvW as a level 2 enigneer without all my weapon skills. Was fighting level 80 npc like nothing. Just have to make sure your movement is right. Face roll away!!!

Heh... you can try. When I use the skills as intended and celebrate with a Finishing move on your downed body, maybe you'll reassess that assessment.

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  BeansnBread

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5/02/12 4:42:01 PM#5
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Honestly, you can still face roll just have to watch your movement.

 

Thats the realiy of it. I went into WvW as a level 2 enigneer without all my weapon skills. Was fighting level 80 npc like nothing. Just have to make sure your movement is right. Face roll away!!!

^ A lesson on how to suck at PvP.

 

What's funny is this guy was calling guardians underpowered the other day.

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  Derpybird

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5/02/12 4:42:01 PM#6
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Honestly, you can still face roll just have to watch your movement.

 

Thats the realiy of it. I went into WvW as a level 2 enigneer without all my weapon skills. Was fighting level 80 npc like nothing. Just have to make sure your movement is right. Face roll away!!!

When you play, do you start with the left side of your face or the right? And how do you watch your movement when your face is on your keyboard?

And really, do you find comments like the one you made helpful in any way?

"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.

  Sciva

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5/02/12 4:45:12 PM#7
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Honestly, you can still face roll just have to watch your movement.

 

Thats the realiy of it. I went into WvW as a level 2 enigneer without all my weapon skills. Was fighting level 80 npc like nothing. Just have to make sure your movement is right. Face roll away!!!

Sure, let me faceroll and shadowstep into a bunch of players with my sword and pistol. Won't work. We get that you don't like the game, so do us all a favour and stop trolling, and even better, grow up.

  Creslin321

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5/02/12 4:52:08 PM#8
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Honestly, you can still face roll just have to watch your movement.

 

Thats the realiy of it. I went into WvW as a level 2 enigneer without all my weapon skills. Was fighting level 80 npc like nothing. Just have to make sure your movement is right. Face roll away!!!

 Heheh...man you are getting lit up pretty badly for this statement, but honestly I see where you are coming from.

Oftentimes when I was working on a new weapon, I would have to use only the "1" skill to kill mobs.  And against some mobs this is very viable with a movement technique like circle strafing.  For example the drakes that take forever to charge up their flame burst...you can literally just walk behind them and whale away while they charge up.  And throwing in dodging and your heal helps a lot as well.

There are some mobs that this just doesn't work agaisnt though.  Ranged mobs, for example will typically destroy you if you try this.  There's just no way to outmanuever their range.  You have dodge, but that's liimited.

So in the end, there are mobs that you can beat by "dancing" around them and using the "1" skill, and mobs that will give oyu a lot of trouble if you try this.

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  Unlight

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5/02/12 5:07:33 PM#9

Technically, it's probably possible to spam your "1" key and take out most of the normal mobs in the game.  The point is that it's not as effective as using the array of skills that are available.  It's also plain stupid to do that when say, you're facing multiple enemies and just spam your first skill, when you have one or more AoE or multi-targetable spells you could use. 

I'm sure there are some stubborn asses out there who would do it just to prove that you can auto-attack your way from 1 to 80.  These are the rocket scientists I would most like to meet in PvP.

  VowOfSilence

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5/02/12 5:46:41 PM#10
Originally posted by Unlight

Technically, it's probably possible to spam your "1" key and take out most of the normal mobs in the game. The point is that it's not as effective as using the array of skills that are available.

Sure, but that leads to my next problem with combat: Using your skills properly often isn't that much more effective than it seems. If you can't kill a mob with autoattack and some basic movement - chances are you can't kill it with a more sophisticed combo, either. In PvP, that will indeed matter - but world PvE looks like it will turn into hack n slash.

Also, the "proper" use of skills + traits is usually pretty obvious and leaving little room to really "play your way", like you could in GW1. But that's a different problem xP

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  dontadow

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5/02/12 5:54:33 PM#11
Originally posted by Palladin

I spent the entire WBE playing as I have always played (face rolling the hotkeys) which means I died ALLOT.  At first it was really annoying. But near the end of the event I started learning the skills more and began to use them in a more thought out process.

 

Basicly I had to read and re-read all the ability descriptions and experiment with diff combos to see what worked best which is currently a work in progress.

Face rolling the keyboard jsut does not work with this game.

 

I am not trolling here.

This was my good humored atempt to point out the difference in combat between GW2 and every other game ever made and my lack of ability to quickly adjust to the new combat dynamic. I will get it ...i'll practice untill I do ....then I will chop your face off..:)

Or choose a new class. I find that some classes just don't work for some people. It's not neccessarily skill, it's playstyle.  And GW2 tends to be one of those games that demands you be skilled at your playstyle.  I'd try a different class, different weapons and abilities.  

The first couple of levels of me forcing myself to play an engineer melee class were tough, i tried out a few different skill combinations before finally settling on the progression to my final build.  I

  Saxx0n

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5/02/12 6:04:39 PM#12
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Honestly, you can still face roll just have to watch your movement.

 

Thats the realiy of it. I went into WvW as a level 2 enigneer without all my weapon skills. Was fighting level 80 npc like nothing. Just have to make sure your movement is right. Face roll away!!!

Notice that he didn't share how it went fighting another player. More like face plow into the turf as opposed to faceroll.

  ButeoRegalis

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5/02/12 6:05:36 PM#13
Originally posted by VowOfSilence
Originally posted by Unlight

Technically, it's probably possible to spam your "1" key and take out most of the normal mobs in the game. The point is that it's not as effective as using the array of skills that are available.

Sure, but that leads to my next problem with combat: Using your skills properly often isn't that much more effective than it seems. If you can't kill a mob with autoattack and some basic movement - chances are you can't kill it with a more sophisticed combo, either.

Right. Because stuff like block, dodge, stun, weaken, poison, KB, KD is all just fluff and doesn't do squat. Have you played anything but Space Invaders? Heck, even there you have to dodge!

(Which of course makes GW2 a total Space Invader clone.)

  Kuppa

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5/02/12 6:09:31 PM#14
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Honestly, you can still face roll just have to watch your movement.

 

Thats the realiy of it. I went into WvW as a level 2 enigneer without all my weapon skills. Was fighting level 80 npc like nothing. Just have to make sure your movement is right. Face roll away!!!

If you move enough you will not die, correct. You really wont get anything done efficiently in pve early on and you will probably die later on. Pvp just moving might keep you alive(only against really bad people) but you wont kill anyone. So ya, keep face rolling to be as usefull as a flat tire...


  Kuppa

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5/02/12 6:10:29 PM#15
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Honestly, you can still face roll just have to watch your movement.

 

Thats the realiy of it. I went into WvW as a level 2 enigneer without all my weapon skills. Was fighting level 80 npc like nothing. Just have to make sure your movement is right. Face roll away!!!

^ A lesson on how to suck at PvP.

 

What's funny is this guy was calling guardians underpowered the other day.

Ya, Ive seen him post a bunch of pretty interesting posts lately.


  BizkitNL

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5/02/12 6:12:13 PM#16
Dont be afraid to practise weapon swapping when needed. Makes things even more interesting.

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  Palladin

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OP  5/02/12 6:24:35 PM#17
Originally posted by dontadow
Originally posted by Palladin

I spent the entire WBE playing as I have always played (face rolling the hotkeys) which means I died ALLOT.  At first it was really annoying. But near the end of the event I started learning the skills more and began to use them in a more thought out process.

 

Basicly I had to read and re-read all the ability descriptions and experiment with diff combos to see what worked best which is currently a work in progress.

Face rolling the keyboard jsut does not work with this game.

 

I am not trolling here.

This was my good humored atempt to point out the difference in combat between GW2 and every other game ever made and my lack of ability to quickly adjust to the new combat dynamic. I will get it ...i'll practice untill I do ....then I will chop your face off..:)

Or choose a new class. I find that some classes just don't work for some people. It's not neccessarily skill, it's playstyle.  And GW2 tends to be one of those games that demands you be skilled at your playstyle.  I'd try a different class, different weapons and abilities.  

The first couple of levels of me forcing myself to play an engineer melee class were tough, i tried out a few different skill combinations before finally settling on the progression to my final build.  I

I can play any class any style there is. It jsut takes a little time to adjust is all.

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  fiontar

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5/02/12 6:44:51 PM#18
Originally posted by VowOfSilence
Originally posted by Unlight

Technically, it's probably possible to spam your "1" key and take out most of the normal mobs in the game. The point is that it's not as effective as using the array of skills that are available.

Sure, but that leads to my next problem with combat: Using your skills properly often isn't that much more effective than it seems. If you can't kill a mob with autoattack and some basic movement - chances are you can't kill it with a more sophisticed combo, either. In PvP, that will indeed matter - but world PvE looks like it will turn into hack n slash.

Also, the "proper" use of skills + traits is usually pretty obvious and leaving little room to really "play your way", like you could in GW1. But that's a different problem xP

That's just not true. It may seem that way while you are still learning to play your profession and mastering the skills, but once you do start to really get how all your skills work, you most definitely can take down foes you never would be able to with basic play.

I had a number of encounters were the right weapon swap and the right skill use at exactly the right time won me a victory that would have otherwise proven elusive.

In the last hour of the WBE, I took on a very difficult Champion Ettin solo with my level 20 Elementalist, just to see if I could take it out. I died three times before I took a better look at my skills, figured out a strategy and managed to finally take it out after a very harrowing 10 minute battle. XP, as it is for all kills, was minimal, but I did get a nice chest peice upgrade which I hope I will be able to enjoy if our WBE1 characters carry over to WBE2.

It's not just soloing tough mobs where strategy becomes important. I had a number of DEs with large groups of PCs taking on large groups of NPCS where changing strategy and tactics involving skill use made a huge difference either in my survivability, or even in the actual course of the battle.

There is a lot of depth here. I spent 38 hours playing during WBE1 and it wasn't until the final half day that things really started to gel  for me and my survivability and combat efficiency started to show major improvement. (There was progress, of course, continually over the course of the beta, but at some point, everything starts to really come together and game play can make a major leap forward).

I know I still have a lot to learn and I expect that my combat proficiency will continue to improve over the course of WBE2 and beyond.

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  Delvie

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5/02/12 7:08:16 PM#19

palladin -

It was very frustrating for me the first few hours and was still learning stuff as server was shut down.  This game definitely requires more thought and flat out practice than others.

fiontar -

Not that I got to the level you did but this was also my experience.  It was on Sunday afternoon that things started clicking though it will take much more game time for me to become more than just competent.

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  VowOfSilence

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5/02/12 7:16:01 PM#20
Originally posted by fiontar

I had a number of encounters were the right weapon swap and the right skill use at exactly the right time won me a victory that would have otherwise proven elusive.

In the last hour of the WBE, I took on a very difficult Champion Ettin solo with my level 20 Elementalist, just to see if I could take it out. I died three times before I took a better look at my skills, figured out a strategy and managed to finally take it out after a very harrowing 10 minute battle.  lot to learn and I expect that my combat proficiency will continue to improve over the course of WBE2 and beyond.

I read that elementalist is currently one of the most versatile classes, i was actually planning to re-roll an ele or maybe warrior next beta. maybe thief was simply a bad choice for me...

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