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  RefMinor

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5/02/12 12:20:43 PM#101
Originally posted by Dreyder

Originally posted by Myria

For this discussion to make any sense whatsoever you would first have to establish that ToR isn't doing well with it's current model. For better or ill what hard evidence there is suggests it's doing very well indeed -- and frankly I'll take official EA numbers over the ravings of the armchair expert brigade any day of the week.





 

MMORPG.com writers have given in to the mob of idiots that haunt their forums...


These people are out of touch with reality... casking for server merges in games they don't even play when those servers show standard population on most nights.

http://www.torstatus.net/shards/us/trends

 

Much as I hate to insert some reality in your obviously happy and oblivious world, the link shows the actuality of 80% light servers with the remainder standard and a few heavy. Actual facts rather than bluster.

  Elikal

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5/02/12 12:21:06 PM#102

Hey, great idea, go F2P and make money by selling their awesome fashion!

Err...

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  RefMinor

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5/02/12 12:24:18 PM#103
Originally posted by MikeB
Originally posted by Ethian
TOR won't go F2P because its run by Bioware and EA. Whether it should or not doesn't really matter because its not going to happen unfortionately. You can expect them to try for as much profit as possible.

And I am arguing that going free-to-play in some form (hybrid F2P with subscription option, for example) seems like a no brainer in order to do that. Subscribers could still be given all manner of incentives to continue subscribing (see other games of this type) while also opening up the game to additional streams of revenue from free-to-play users. Even the ones who don't pay are valuable as they help fill the game worlds and make the game feel alive. This would do wonders for some of the lighter servers, for example.

The free trials haven't been massively oversubscribed if you look at the XFire trends, I think the main problem is the lacklustre nature of the beast and the way it separates players from each other by design.

  BarCrow

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5/02/12 12:25:11 PM#104
I never understood the big deal about B2P vs P2P. Other than convenience. Yes ..i don't have to worry about a crdt crd or cancelling a sub..which is cool. However..if having a credit card is not the issue then you're really just paying a few bits a day for a P2P game after your initial purchase. Most sub games are practically B2P anyway.
  RefMinor

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5/02/12 12:25:29 PM#105
Originally posted by Elikal

Hey, great idea, go F2P and make money by selling their awesome fashion!

Err...

Those are the free models, they will put actual Star Wars-y gear in the cash shop.

  User Deleted
5/02/12 12:27:19 PM#106
I thought Bioware has a plan B for SWTOR to go F2P?
  FrodoFragins

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5/02/12 12:28:13 PM#107

I did make a post here, before launch, stating the game was better suited as B2P or F2P.  But considering they had 1.7 million susbcribers at one point I don't think they should switch to B2P/F2P until they get below 400k subscribers.

 

If they went F2P I'd just go back an level alts (I quit in january just before the sub would kick in).  I'd most likely never use the store, but they would be more likely to get me to buy an expac.

 

 

  Elikal

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5/02/12 12:29:54 PM#108
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by Elikal

Hey, great idea, go F2P and make money by selling their awesome fashion!

Err...

Those are the free models, they will put actual Star Wars-y gear in the cash shop.

Caramba, you are full of wicked ideas, you know! XD

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Wearacup

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UO made people nervous, now it just makes them dress funny.

5/02/12 12:30:58 PM#109

Anyway, this game should be pay to play (P2P), as in they pay us to play. SWTOR is the single worst AAA game of all time IMO.

[Mod Edit]

 

Trammies need to stop polluting the MMORPG landscape. They already have enough games in which to emote hugs and sell garbage by the banks.

  fenistil

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5/02/12 12:37:34 PM#110
Originally posted by BadSpock

This is a business decision, nothing more, nothing less.

If LA/EA/BW feel like they could make more money and have more players if they converted to a F2P model, they will.

The game is far too new to go fully F2P, but buy-to-play would be a convenient option as long as they maintain a "premium" subscription option for people who enjoy the "classic" payment model.

 

This would be more like Freemium & B2P mix instead of true B2P.

B2eemium?

 

Would not play it like that.

I would not play any game with model like that.

 

Either true B2P without optional subs or gtfo sorry.

 

Alternatively normal F2P or Freemioum but that's worse.

  FrodoFragins

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5/02/12 12:38:41 PM#111
Originally posted by eayes

I don't play ToR or care either way but aren't there enough threads like this without a staff writer making one. What's next, "Is GW2 worth a sub?"

 

I for one am happy to see any threads that aren't just advertisements for games.  This is a relevant topic considering GW2 is on the horizon and BW is desperate to get people to try, stay or return.

  skiwalker998

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5/02/12 12:43:29 PM#112

condensing the servers is all swtor needs to do to improve population on  servers and make it a geat game


  fenistil

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5/02/12 12:44:43 PM#113
Originally posted by MikeB

Originally posted by Grakulen

If they really have 1.7 million subs (but I don't believe they do) then no they shouldn't. Why give up $60+million in revenue each month.


 

I never said they should go free-to-play exclusively. These days free-to-play often still offers a subscription option see: LOTRO/DDO, Champions Online, DCUO, STO etc.

Worst model ever.

Combines disadvantages of P2P and F2P and does not bring their biggest advantages.

 

Hope it will die.  Obviosuly not soon ,but somewhere along the road.

 

P2P , B2P or F2P are all better than Freemium.

  Siug

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5/02/12 12:51:07 PM#114

More than changing the pricing model they should redesign their game. Get rid of at least half of the instances, maybe delete fleets to bring more life to planets and open the worlds.

Hating gear treadmill I didn't have anything to do at level 50, other than roll a few alts...but doing the same quests again for 3rd time in a couple of months was too much. During my travels I didn't have a single whoah effect or discovery. Worlds are just too static and lifeless for a Star Wars universe.

Freemium may have a positive impact for them but they still need more brains imho. Mind, I don't hate the game and liked leveling my Sith Warrior a lot. Until end game or the lack of it.

  SlothnChunk

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5/02/12 12:53:36 PM#115

Free to play...probably not.


Buy to play...you bet.


  Elikal

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5/02/12 12:54:39 PM#116
Originally posted by Piiritus

More than changing the pricing model they should redesign their game. Get rid of at least half of the instances, maybe delete fleets to bring more life to planets and open the worlds.

Hating gear treadmill I didn't have anything to do at level 50, other than roll a few alts...but doing the same quests again for 3rd time in a couple of months was too much. During my travels I didn't have a single whoah effect or discovery. Worlds are just too static and lifeless for a Star Wars universe.

Freemium may have a positive impact for them but they still need more brains imho. Mind, I don't hate the game and liked leveling my Sith Warrior a lot. Until end game or the lack of it.

I agree. Some parts of the game just are horribly designed. With their assumed many hundred of employees it should not be so difficult. I still really wonder how this could happen.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Alalala

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5/02/12 12:55:04 PM#117
F2P?!?! Seriously, I would not play if EA-BW gave me $15/month to play. Once the glowing the light sabers fades and the quest dialogue becomes white noise, you've got a game that would have been mediocre 4 years ago. Stay away - don't make my mistake.
  HurricanePip

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5/02/12 12:55:51 PM#118

The most interesting part of this commentary was actually about RL geopgraphic locations and the value of money.  I get that $15 doesn't go as far in NYC.  I used to live in Boston, different city, similar type of expenses.  However, moving out west, $15 goes a lot further. 


Is $15 a lot of money in either place, probably not.  However, $1 in the rocky mountain region > $1 on the east coast, so you tend to think a little more about your expenses out here even if you can afford them.


Either way, I would agree that subscription models are dieing off.  I enjoyed CoH for a year, WoW for 3 years and Rift for 3 months, but I wouldn't sign up for another subscription game.  For me, WoW 40% margins seem awfully high.  I'm also a weary of investing in content that has yet to be released.  Towards the end of WoW, I found myself sitting around waiting for something to do and that wasn't good.  Part of that was a design problem with systems already in place, but a lot had to do with not having enough content.


If you don't worry about it, it's not a problem.

  Snikz

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5/02/12 12:56:41 PM#119

Theres few things i want in this game, and i hate to say it. But its from WoW

 

1. Give us a Flashpoint tool + Ops

* Well this is the only thing i want :)

 

Ohhh, and the ability to heal my companion. I.e. as a gunslinger would be helpful :)

  Wickedjelly

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5/02/12 1:03:53 PM#120
Originally posted by fenistil
Originally posted by MikeB

I never said they should go free-to-play exclusively. These days free-to-play often still offers a subscription option see: LOTRO/DDO, Champions Online, DCUO, STO etc.

Worst model ever.

Combines disadvantages of P2P and F2P and does not bring their biggest advantages.

 

Hope it will die.  Obviosuly not soon ,but somewhere along the road.

 

P2P , B2P or F2P are all better than Freemium.

 Completely disagree. The model works great from what I have seen in LotR, DDO, and DCUO.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

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