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  Jorendo

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5/02/12 2:21:14 AM#141

Those who where raging forget one word, and they do that will all MMORPG's. For those people who ragged at the friday's problems i shall explain a few things:


 


1. Beta means that the devs are running tests. It is their plan to see how far they can go until it goes wrong, so they can fix it. They are running tests like how many people can login at the same time, seeing how the servers hold up under presure of thousands of players, seeing when lag appears, what bugs gonna pop up, etc.


 


2. Beta means you get to TEST the game. Many people confuse the beta with a early acces these days. When you play the beta you aren't playing, you are testing. If something happens that makes the game crash or isn't working accordingly you aren't going to any forum to rant and rage, you gonna report it to the devs. Sadly many people have forgotten that.


 


3. Beta means it isn't the final version of the game. The game you played isn't even the latest build of the game. Bugs and other problems will rise up, and some of them are already fixed in the latest version of the game. Sometimes you are lucky and playing a very stable and streamlined beta, other times you are less lucky and end up in a messy buggy beta. But it still isn't the final product, so unless it happens when the game gone live you shouldn't rage.


 


4. Beta means you aren't entitled to rage, whine and complain when you can't login, crash on regular base, etc. You, and only you, forgot that you volunteerd to sign up for the beta. No one forced you too. And that you mix up beta with demo is your own problem. If you can't login on friday, to bad, try again later that night or check again the day after. And if you can't play at all that weekend cause of server issues that is to bad for you. Anet can use the info gathered to make sure the servers are up and running next time.


 


Really, i had the same problems friday. I couldn't login for a great deal of the night, and when i finally could the game didn't run smooth at all. Felt like huge lag and such, making it imposible to play. But instead of me raging on the Anet forums, on mmorpg.com and any other games forum i just logged out and decided to leave it for what it was friday and check the next day again.


 


But really, the rage is just stupid and only happens cause you ragers forgot what the word BETA means. I sugest you guys/girls don't play until the early acces so you get a streamlined game and if things like this happen again you can complain cause it is your right. Now you complained without having the right too.


  UtukuMoon

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Posts: 1109

5/02/12 2:27:54 AM#142
Originally posted by BillMurphy

Originally posted by orbitxo

who cares- it was beta!- you guys are beginning to sound like FOXnews... write something positive about the game! so we can discuss.








..and no, i dont agree early bird gets the worm...or beta acess.








-newly GW2 Fanboy!











 




 

Did you read the article? It's about how people need to take Beta into account and STOP raging.  ;)

Lol,i thought the same thing,some people really need to read the full write up instead stopping as soon as they read a negative line.The problem is ArenaNet have made a rod for their own back by taking money off of people who really don't understand what a beta intails.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ymgFyzbDo

  thekid1

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Joined: 7/10/05
Posts: 772

5/02/12 2:30:29 AM#143
This is the second article where the mmorpg staff defends the beta, you can stop convincing me you're on the payroll for several mmo companies. Your 50 Star Wars TOR articles already convinced me of that.
  Ulorik

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Joined: 9/12/11
Posts: 178

5/02/12 2:46:05 AM#144
Originally posted by Torvaldr

I disagree in this case.  ANet had a million beta applicants.  They had a huge pool with a lot of hardware profiles to choose from.  They could have sent out questionnaires and refined the pool down to a large pool very interested in BETA testing.  Did any significant portion of that pool even get chosen to test?

No, instead they chose to sell preview access to their game for marketing purposes.  It worked.  Their marketing department is genius.

They also deserve everything they get with that.  It is in no way shape or form the fault of the the "stupid gaming community".

And again, this sums up things nicely....

 

I'm really glad there are so many peolpe out there who had a great beta experience, which bodes well for the game. I would just kindly ask those who were lucky enough to have a smooth ride to put themselve in the position of those pre-purchasing the game and not getting access (after not being selected for the "free" beta) and ask yourself how you would have felt.

 

Just to quote Anet again: Pre-Purchase the game now and get Access to all beta events.

I purchased a product and did not get Access.

  redzebrass

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Joined: 1/23/11
Posts: 10

The Last Unicorn

5/02/12 2:53:29 AM#145

@Wickedjelly


The answer to this is Anet did not force anyone to buy the game.




Think of it as gambling, you wouldn't walk into a casino, gamble away all your money, then cry and demand your money back simply because you lost........




Anet simply provided the opportunity, we (the players) weighed up the risks and took the gamble.





 

The Last Unicorn

  Silverbranch

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Joined: 10/31/10
Posts: 179

Wherever you go, there you are.

5/02/12 3:19:19 AM#146

Originally posted by Ulorik


Originally posted by Torvaldr



I disagree in this case.  ANet had a million beta applicants.  They had a huge pool with a lot of hardware profiles to choose from.  They could have sent out questionnaires and refined the pool down to a large pool very interested in BETA testing.  Did any significant portion of that pool even get chosen to test?


No, instead they chose to sell preview access to their game for marketing purposes.  It worked.  Their marketing department is genius.


They also deserve everything they get with that.  It is in no way shape or form the fault of the the "stupid gaming community".



And again, this sums up things nicely....


 


I'm really glad there are so many peolpe out there who had a great beta experience, which bodes well for the game. I would just kindly ask those who were lucky enough to have a smooth ride to put themselve in the position of those pre-purchasing the game and not getting access (after not being selected for the "free" beta) and ask yourself how you would have felt. 


Just to quote Anet again: Pre-Purchase the game now and get Access to all beta events.


I purchased a product and did not get Access.



 


Yeah, I know.  It's not like a beta test might also be exercising server and infrastructure loads under a large SPIKE in logins or anything.  You wouldn't want to exercise THAT before release day. I mean, how COULD you test that prior to release given the building tidal wave of interest in the MMO community.


Nope, that couldn't be tested at all.  Just going to have to blindly head for release day and hope on a leprechaun the infrastructure's all good/  Why include infrastructure testing as a component of Beta.  Now that's just SILLY.


Oh, wait . . .


Lots of people got into Beta.  It's a Beta weekend.  It's not the last one.  Some people had some initial trouble then it was cleared up . . . on a beta TEST weekend which you DID have access to.


The very point to a beta TEST weekend is the premise problems may be found needing correction, which supercedes the cries of "I can't get IN-ZORZ!" . . . if the problem found during a beta TEST is a problem that affects login during heavy load.


The good news is it won't be the last beta test weekend, which you'll have access to just like this one.


I'd like to thank each and every one of you, login successful or NOT, for participating in the beta TEST weekend, because having the infrastructure falter under a huge spike in logins NOW (where it's supposed to be happening if it occurs) is my choice, not when it goes live.


"Originally posted by Silverbranch:


Asking the general "Gaming Community" to conduct Beta Testing is like trying to train a bunch of chimpanzees to change an auto-transmission.

 


You'll get an awful lot of noise and commotion and tool bashing sure to ding up the paint and body while the transmission remains a mystery."


 


Now go sit in a corner and eat a banana.


Wherever you go, there you are.

  fiontar

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Joined: 4/07/04
Posts: 3687

5/02/12 3:37:18 AM#147
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by Vepgenus
Originally posted by Silverbranch

Asking the general "Gaming Community" to conduct Beta Testing is like trying to train a bunch of chimpanzees to change an auto-transmission.


You'll get an awful lot of noise and commotion and tool bashing sure to ding up the paint and body while the transmission remains a mystery.


I'm sure there are some diamonds in the rough in the middle of all that, but otherwise . . . meh.

lol so very true

I disagree in this case.  ANet had a million beta applicants.  They had a huge pool with a lot of hardware profiles to choose from.  They could have sent out questionnaires and refined the pool down to a large pool very interested in BETA testing.  Did any significant portion of that pool even get chosen to test?

No, instead they chose to sell preview access to their game for marketing purposes.  It worked.  Their marketing department is genius.

They also deserve everything they get with that.  It is in no way shape or form the fault of the the "stupid gaming community".

That doesn't make much sense to me.

The beta applicant pool is a hedge against too few pre-orders and also provides a marketing list that they can target with invites to some last, massive WBE event meant to market the game to people who want to "try before they buy".

It really seems some people here want to have their cake and eat it too. They don't want to buy a game before they try it, but they just can't stand the idea that someone who IS willing to buiy it before they try it can be rewarded with guaranteed Weekend Beta Event access.

If you are on the fence, wait until just before launch and hope that there will be a more open event for people who want a free weekend trial. If you are a fan of the game, know you want to buy it no matter what and understand that beta events don't represent a finished game? It may just be worth the pre-purchase.

The thing is that it seems that Arenanet had more people willing to pre-purchase the game in order to get into these events than many other AAA MMOs can manage to get into free, open betas. That's a sign of success, not some cynical marketing ploy. People who decided to gamble that there wouldn't be enough pre-purchases for the tests and that Arenanet would be forced to give out free access to fill slots lost that bet.

We know there is going to be at least one more WBE, maybe several and the game is still available for pre-purchase. It wouldn't make much sense for Arenanet to address the "try before I buy" crowd months before launch when they probably already have close to half a million pre-purchases!

As far as people who pre-purchased and were disappointed, a few things:

First, the game grows on you and there is a learning curve. The more dedicated you have been to previous games, the harder the adjustment period may be. Most will get over that hump if they keep at it and become hooked. If you pre-purchased the game, you definitely owe it to yourself to take full advantage of future beta events and see if you just needed a little more time to make the leap.

Second, the game is in beta. We could be three months from launch, we could be eight months from launch. We just don't know, but we do know it's beta and during beta things change. Arenanet especially changes things all the time as they tweak and tune the game. There is always a chance that what ever bothered you about the first WBE will be fixed, tweaked, rebalanced or improved. It's beta!

Third, the game has no subscription fee. The game will improve over time and now that you have pre-purchased the game, you'll be able to check in when ever you want after the game launches to see if the game has become more appealing in your absense, or maybeeven  to test if your tastes have evolved. With most MMOs you buy and sour on, you end up waiting until they offer some free trial a year after launch, or shell out $15 for a month, if down the road you decide to see how things look. Not an issue with GW2.

Finally, no one made anyone pre-purchase. Any game purchase is a gamble, no matter what the buzz is surrounding the game, what your friends say or what the reviews say. Sometimes, you just buy something and are disappointed. That's the way it is. When you pre-purchase a game with no announced release date, you have to understand that you've just bought a game before it's even in a release worthy state. Just with a launch day purchase, there is still risk, but even more so since the game isn't even finished when you made your decision to buy. At least you know with certainty that the game will improve between now and launch, so there is a lot more hope that the game will be playable for you by the time full access is granted than the hope that some finished game is going to greatly improve after launch.

GW2 is a very solid, innovative and expansive game that offers a ton of content while essentially being 4 games in one. (PvE, SPVP, WvW, and almost a full solo RPG game's worth of story experience per character)! If you pre-purchased this game and still can't find something worth the box price here, then you just have some very narrow tastes and a bit of bad luck.

Personally, with 38 hours of play time in WBE1, I already got more out of my pre-purchase than I have managed to get out of a number of MMORPGs I've purchased at launch. In that time, I still didn't get a chance to do PvP or WvW, or do any crafting or any exploring that wasn't just part of my progression. I just scratched the surface of what this game offers and I didn't even start to fully appreciate the PvE aspect until pretty near the end of the weekend. It's hard for me to imagine that anyone tried enough of the various elements of the game to really know that they won't find something worth playing here at launch, no matter how fickle their taste is.

For most people, the game was not a disappointment and is definitely a game that appears to have a very good shot at extended play. Even a lot of people who aren't completely sold on the game yet have aknowldeged it's a good, fun, solid title, even in the beta state. As far as game pruchases go, you could find a lot worse gambles for your cash than a GW2 pre-purchase!

Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated

  User Deleted
5/02/12 4:28:33 AM#148

beta was awsome had no lag or login issues, but i have no dam clue why i came on here to say this maybe its just to rub it in some of the cry babys face!

a majority of this mmorpg.com community will troll game after game until they find there gaming "Messiah" and the income this site generates from the stupid articles they do for some major upcoming or previous MMORPG's which ended up a total flop is just beyond a joke.

simply this is the google ads of the gaming industry?

oh yeah and siege placements are the best in WvW, man i remember spamming some arrow cart all over the centre castle got about 5 levels from it

  tankknat

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5/02/12 4:43:31 AM#149
Originally posted by prescort

beta was awsome had no lag or login issues, but i have no dam clue why i came on here to say this maybe its just to rub it in some of the cry babys face!

a majority of this mmorpg.com community will troll game after game until they find there gaming "Messiah" and the income this site generates from the stupid articles they do for some major upcoming or previous MMORPG's which ended up a total flop is just beyond a joke.

simply this is the google ads of the gaming industry?

oh yeah and siege placements are the best in WvW, man i remember spamming some arrow cart all over the centre castle got about 5 levels from it

well said +1

  Digna

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5/02/12 5:24:47 AM#150

There was some lag on a few occasions but the log in issue didn't get me until Saturday afternoon. Saturday afternoon = prime time. I figure it was primarily congestion issues on the part of the authentication and/or routing servers. More people (esp in select large areas)  would mean more  errors.


 I know there were probably other issues as well and I feel for those who didn't get in due to scheduling.


  Tyratops

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5/02/12 6:57:31 AM#151

The login issues we're disappointing, but they appeared to improve through out the weekend so I'm not angry and if you didn't expect issues on the first OB, you are incredibly naive.


I'll be annoyed if they plague the next event though.


  sadeyx

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5/02/12 7:07:19 AM#152

oh yes, it IS a beta.

but when you start charging people money to enter those beta's the frustration is understandable.

  Wickedjelly

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5/02/12 7:53:17 AM#153



Originally posted by redzebrass



@Wickedjelly








The answer to this is Anet did not force anyone to buy the game.
















Think of it as gambling, you wouldn't walk into a casino, gamble away all your money, then cry and demand your money back simply because you lost........
















Anet simply provided the opportunity, we (the players) weighed up the risks and took the gamble.























 










 




 Did I ever say or imply they did? They decided to use beta as a marketing tool to spike sales and for viral marketing purposes. So they got some people to buy the game that aren't privy to how betas work.. What a shock...




...and I'm supposed to sympathize with Anet when some got bent out of shape for not being able to participate in a beta that Anet on their own turned into a marketing ploy and an incentive to prepurchase their game? Give me a fucking break.




Unlike some writers and other posters around here I actually still like to hold companies to task for their actions and not always give them a free pass. As if they're even remotely innocent in this affair or there was even a huge outcry of rage that deserved this article. Made for great baiting material though 


1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  redzebrass

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The Last Unicorn

5/02/12 8:45:39 AM#154

Back@wickedjelly


So what if they used it as a marketing ploy, it's a business at the end of the day not a charity, marketing is what business do, and everyone who bought the game must agree with this otherwise they wouldn't have even considered buying it. The point is that nobody had to buy into it. 


As for people who aren't privy to how betas work, really, if they found out about guild wars 2 in the first place then they've had plenty of time to find out how betas work, unless you're implying that these people are lower in the IQ department.......


 


The Last Unicorn

  Wickedjelly

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The Dude abides

5/02/12 9:19:05 AM#155
Originally posted by redzebrass

Back@wickedjelly


So what if they used it as a marketing ploy, it's a business at the end of the day not a charity, marketing is what business do, and everyone who bought the game must agree with this otherwise they wouldn't have even considered buying it. The point is that nobody had to buy into it. 


As for people who aren't privy to how betas work, really, if they found out about guild wars 2 in the first place then they've had plenty of time to find out how betas work, unless you're implying that these people are lower in the IQ department.......


 

 I'm not marking them with a Scarlet Letter 'A' for using it as a marketing ploy. What I am saying is the moment you go that route you open up the flood gates for people being insanely judgemental because they're now "invested" in the product. Is it smart from a business perspective? Of course. Does going that route have repurcussions from a customer standpoint? Of course. To think some wouldn't get bent out of shape if they had serious issues getting into the beta is simply ridiculous especially when they have a monetary investment in the product now. Frankly, I have no sympathy for Anet because just like no one forced the customer to buy the game - no one forced Anet to go the route they chose either.

...and you guys need to wake up in how you judge people. Not everyone follows mmos like we do nor has the time. Just because someone doesn't know how betas work like you or I does not mean they're dense. I mean really now...

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  jtcgs

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5/02/12 9:23:24 AM#156

Yawn, ive been reading articles like this since Asherons Call 1 beta back in the late 90s.


New beta tester comes in, complains.


Old beta tester complains about the complaints.


New beta tester complains they have a right to complain.


Article is written by someone talking about all the complaining and what it means.


Nothing new, dead horse...will be looking forward to this very same thing at the end of the next MMORPGs open beta cycle.


“I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson

  Bloodchyld

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Joined: 1/25/06
Posts: 6

5/02/12 9:33:07 AM#157

seriously? you're a columnist? time to go back to journalism 101. write about the facts and let people decide not your opinions. and i'm playing from the other side of the globe and didnt get the issues you were writing about.


and it is BETA....you should know what that is being a columnist for MMORPG.


 


  Wickedjelly

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Posts: 5064

The Dude abides

5/02/12 9:35:35 AM#158
On a side note, really is stunning how many posters responded to this article without even reading it. Should have made an article about forum rage apparently.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  Overfiend138

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Joined: 8/30/06
Posts: 50

5/02/12 9:59:19 AM#159

to quote PC Gamer: "You could give away a bag with $10 in it for free, and someone will complain that it's not $20"


In the case of gamers, this is true more often than not,


  diabis

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Joined: 6/12/06
Posts: 35

5/02/12 10:24:20 AM#160
I believe the issue here is Beta, to many have no idea what Beta means. To many games have long Open Beta because they do not want to be hit with complaints that game is not ready, they can say look Beta. GW2 offered Pre-Sale with Beta Events as a perk for ordering it now.  They gave us nifty bug report button, survey at end of mission events with note areas. Yes there was a time you got true Closed Beta invites. But we have seen that move away.  Some reason for that are people would get into Closed Beta start whining that they would not get to keep their toon and not give helpful info. This weekend, GW2 was giving responses quickly to forums and issues. As always they make a problem they fix it. You never feel that they went home and you will have to wait on this until whenever. I too put in some feedback on que out also from what I can tell you can grp for WvW and  I do think they are looking at all the system for other worlding. When we did last event as a Beta grp my husband and I got moved apart as well.

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