Originally posted by GeezerGamer

The Key is tied to the account and that specific beta client. NOT the final product. The final product has not been delivered and thus is unused and unopened. No one has thus far presented any evidence where it was in the pre-purchase agreement that said "No Refunds" Unless that language is present, I think it's a bit presumptuous to say that someone has no recourse to receiving their prepayment back.

First...you are wrong.  This isn't some special account that only works with the beta client.  The beta client isn't somehow special or different from what will be there when the game is released.  For online purchases, this is the final key (afaik), for physical pre-purchase, you do have to enter another key that comes with your box, but this is because a boxed copy will come with a code anyways, and there would otherwise be no way to stop people from making a second account or selling the code that comes with the box or whatever.

Second...straight from the Email you get for prepurchasing GW2.

"Online game codes are non-returnable, non-refundable, and can only be used to create or upgrade one game account."  This applies to all online games as far as I know. 

Originally posted by Chivalry1978
I gave all classes a spin, but Necro by far was a favorite and the most exploitive. 

its a beta... things can and will change they've been saying it in there blogs, and im thinking if u gave all the classes a spin u only played a couple of hours of each yeh?

The guy you quoted was an obvious fan of open world PvP. It's his fault for bad mouthing the zone PvP gameplay of course, but he does have a point in regards to danger from other players while questing in the open world.

The game is certainly more casual friendly in this regard.

Originally posted by Chivalry1978

Was skeptical to play after all the gw2 flaming I have seen this past year but figured well lets see what they are backing....

Very stall tastic and not all that innovative as was claimed...And yes this is a very care bare game...The pvp I did do was well to be honest weak. I just dont think this lived up to the hype and was not all that impressed with it.

If you found it so easy, perhaps you can go talk to all the people whinning about the game being too hard, and how they are dying all the time, and help explain to them what they are doing wrong. There are an awful lot of them.

Originally posted by aesperus

Originally posted by Chivalry1978

Was skeptical to play after all the gw2 flaming I have seen this past year but figured well lets see what they are backing....

Very stall tastic and not all that innovative as was claimed...And yes this is a very care bare game...The pvp I did do was well to be honest weak. I just dont think this lived up to the hype and was not all that impressed with it.

If you found it so easy, perhaps you can go talk to all the people whinning about the game being too hard, and how they are dying all the time, and help explain to them what they are doing wrong. There are an awful lot of them.

it's hard for them cause there use to wow combat stand still and bash buttons its so sad isn't it... i for one loved the hardness of the game i hope they dont change it 2 much or at all

Originally posted by Eliandal

Originally posted by dontadow

I hope they don't grant refunds.  A refund is not a guaranteed thing, it's not smoething you're suppose to get. When you buy something you sign a contract. 

One of the benefits I received for buying the game was access to beta.  Once you receive that benefit, you have essentially began the benefits of the purchase.  

IF I buy tickets to a movie, i can't watch 10 minutes of the movie and ask for my money back.  

 

  Actually, if the movie is NOT what you were expecting, you definately can talk to the manager.  You most likely won't get your money back, but will get tickets to another movie (at least that's how it works up here)

 

  If ArenaNet is smart, they WILL allow refunds.  It's just good customer service, and will save them a LOT of grief from chargebacks (Yes, those do have a detrimental effect on the company being charged back)

 I was going to say something similar. You can actually ask for your money back, there is just no guarentee that you will get your money back( for the movie reference). Just like you can ask for your money back for GW2 at the moment - there is no guarentee you will get it back at this point. You are a lot more likely to get it back if you present your case now pre-release than if you tried to wait post release as they likely dont want the headaches ascociated with disgruntled players. I have a feeling they are going to sell enough copies to people who actually want to play the game such that they will want to avoid any bad press ascociated with players whining about refunds - although why anyone would prepurchase a game they are not 100% sure about is beyond me really.

In my opinion the game pretty much delivered everything the devs said it would be with one exception. I did not notice the event chains to any great extent. I saw a few things happen that caused some teleport portals to shut down untill players went to go fix things, however, all such "events" were on short loops that repeated over and over the same thing very much like the PQ's in warhammer. I did not get much beyond some of the lvl 10 charr area so I probably just have not seen enough of the world to find the true event chains. The world is large with a lot of things to do.

I think they are on the right track as to making the world more alive again without a straight linear quest line running you from hub to hub. The player still feels pulled to level appropriate spots which seem limited in the early game without jumping to other race locations - whether this opens up at higher levels remains to be seen.

Overall definately worth the $60 with at least 2 to 3 months of good playtime in there and potentially a lot more.

Originally posted by Dekarx12

Originally posted by Chivalry1978

Was skeptical to play after all the gw2 flaming I have seen this past year but figured well lets see what they are backing....

Very stall tastic and not all that innovative as was claimed...And yes this is a very care bare game...The pvp I did do was well to be honest weak. I just dont think this lived up to the hype and was not all that impressed with it.

bear game your kidding right? u play the beta? it was bloody hard (for me anyway) and i find that awsome far from carebear...lvl 10+ got hard... and btw instead of just been a run of the mill internet hater jumping on the band wagon of ERRR THIS GAME SUCKS! give reasons why yeh? y was the pvp weak? WvWvW was awsome fun! the siege weapons, massive groups going at it atking keeps!! i couldnt stop loving the game. wat was stall tastic? and not innovative? reaons please?

Cheers

 carebear game is pretty accurate, when looking at the broad meaning of the word. I like care bear btw, ( grizzly ones).

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=carebear

Examples of the ORIGINAL term are:

No full loot was "carebear"
Safe zones were "carebear"
Limits on who you can attack and where you can attack them were "carebear."
Limits on freedom in general were "carebear."
Instances were "carebear."

Carebears were people who wanted devs to develop/change games to make their gaming experience easy, safe, and cozy. No risk, no challenge, no realism. Cozy like a carebear.

The point is that GW2 is really a wellmade themepark, where you are guided well, and are really safe and protected so nothing really bad happends. Its the arctype of a carbear game.

that the game is a little hard in the first few lvl and you die alot means nothing when death is so forgiving as it is.

its a care bear game, and I like that it is.

Im not jumping on any bandwagon. I didnt like the fact that gw2 fan boys were trashing swtor cause it just seemed silly, note I beta that one as well and do not play it. I found that all the hype you people put out is rather infantile as you act as if this game is something ground breaking...Well it is if you consider it stole a ton of concepts from about 12 games I can think off the top of my head and put them together...But hey thats ok bringing concepts others may enjoy is a good idea, however having people become these rabid dogs bashing anyone who doesnt share their view is rather silly and reminds me of the whole conservative v liberal debate. 

As for game play wise I was hoping for something else. It reminded me way to much of dynasty warrior with a nanny holding my hand the whole way. The learning curve for this game was a rather ummm nonexistant. Now I will say having some features that are familar were great and rather fun however in here the way it was done just left me feeling well let down. 

If you like the game awesome, great, just I felt it didnt live up to the hype and found it not worth the price. Maybe when its comes down to 30 bucks I will play it but till then well sorry folks just not worth it. Oh and the rumors of pay 2 win that are going around. I hope this isnt true.

So there is my 2 cents. No strong words no insults, even after a few of you could not do so.

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Originally posted by GamerFun
Already canceled, played the beta. HUGE DISSAPPOINTEMNT. Dull and stail just like the rest of the MMO's made these days.

So you played the beta even though you had previously made this statement:

 

"Yeah and GW2 is still going to be carebear to the max. I'll play SWTOR before ever playing this craphole game with its carebear instance box pvp system. At least in SWTOR I can PvP without jumping into instance battlegrounds."

 

I am so confused. Between the 19th and the 30th did you manage to buy and play SWTOR and then decide to give that up so you could prepurchase GW2 so you could play in the beta weekend?

Please clarify, thanks in advance.

And yet another caught in a questionable story.  I can't believe they're actually making up stories to tell in threads.  This is the second one I know of, but I'm sure there are others.

I you hate GW2 for some inexplicable reason.....why not just be honest and say so instead of making up an elaborate fabrication? 

I certainly didn't cancel my pre-order, since I pre-purchased and the game exceeded my expectations.

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Originally posted by grimm6th

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Originally posted by GeezerGamer
The Key is tied to the account and that specific beta client. NOT the final product. The final product has not been delivered and thus is unused and unopened. No one has thus far presented any evidence where it was in the pre-purchase agreement that said "No Refunds" Unless that language is present, I think it's a bit presumptuous to say that someone has no recourse to receiving their prepayment back.

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First...you are wrong.  This isn't some special account that only works with the beta client.  The beta client isn't somehow special or different from what will be there when the game is released.  For online purchases, this is the final key (afaik), for physical pre-purchase, you do have to enter another key that comes with your box, but this is because a boxed copy will come with a code anyways, and there would otherwise be no way to stop people from making a second account or selling the code that comes with the box or whatever.
Second...straight from the Email you get for prepurchasing GW2.
"Online game codes are non-returnable, non-refundable, and can only be used to create or upgrade one game account."  This applies to all online games as far as I know. 

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No, I am pretty sure the beta client is different than the final product. When the game releases, if your currently installed Beta client auto updates and runs the live game after release, then I'll admit my mistake.

As for point number two, since I didn't pre purchase, I'll have to take your word for it, but I was going off the other posters response who said there was no such language. Anyway, I'll operate assuming your are speaking the truth, That being said, then yeah, No refunds....Buyer beware. I think it's pretty slick marketing on ANet, but yeah, if it's what's said, so be it.

But I do have one question. How is it that when people have said they paid for beta and didn't get it, Everyone here is overwhelmingly saying..."You paid for the game, not the beta!" So beta didn't equal the game in that case, But now that Someone who was in beta wants a refund, They don't deserve it because they used the game.

Which is which? Is being in beta getting the game or isn't it?

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

 

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Originally posted by grimm6th

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Originally posted by GeezerGamer
The Key is tied to the account and that specific beta client. NOT the final product. The final product has not been delivered and thus is unused and unopened. No one has thus far presented any evidence where it was in the pre-purchase agreement that said "No Refunds" Unless that language is present, I think it's a bit presumptuous to say that someone has no recourse to receiving their prepayment back.

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First...you are wrong.  This isn't some special account that only works with the beta client.  The beta client isn't somehow special or different from what will be there when the game is released.  For online purchases, this is the final key (afaik), for physical pre-purchase, you do have to enter another key that comes with your box, but this is because a boxed copy will come with a code anyways, and there would otherwise be no way to stop people from making a second account or selling the code that comes with the box or whatever.
Second...straight from the Email you get for prepurchasing GW2.
"Online game codes are non-returnable, non-refundable, and can only be used to create or upgrade one game account."  This applies to all online games as far as I know. 

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No, I am pretty sure the beta client is different than the final product. When the game releases, if your currently installed Beta client auto updates and runs the live game after release, then I'll admit my mistake.

As for point number two, since I didn't pre purchase, I'll have to take your word for it, but I was going off the other posters response who said there was no such language. Anyway, I'll operate assuming your are speaking the truth, That being said, then yeah, No refunds....Buyer beware. I think it's pretty slick marketing on ANet, but yeah, if it's what's said, so be it.

But I do have one question. How is it that when people have said they paid for beta and didn't get it, Everyone here is overwhelmingly saying..."You paid for the game, not the beta!" So beta didn't equal the game in that case, But now that Someone who was in beta wants a refund, They don't deserve it because they used the game.

Which is which? Is being in beta getting the game or isn't it?

Heya Geezer. The client we have now will simply be updated as we go along. For all intents and purposes, we have the game itself even though it's only the beta content at this time. The updating is automatic.

People saying they paid for the beta and didn't get it... not sure about that. Some are saying that GameStop, for example, gave them preorder keys (1 day headstart, no beta) instead of pre-purchase keys. If that's true, GameStop has some 'splainin' to do.

Being in the beta is being in the beta. Pre-purchasing the game is getting the game as well as access to all betas. There are also beta keys being given out that do not give access to the released game when it's live.

Originally posted by -Zeno-
Just curious to see if anyone is canceling their pre-order after this last beta event.

88% or so either not cancelling or never pre-ordered in the first place after almost 1,200 votes.

I'd say that proves without a doubt the first BWE was a massive success within the MMORPG.com community wouldn't you?

Originally posted by -Zeno-

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Oh boy, this thread is going to turn out so well.

 

And out of curiosity OP, since you're clearly a fan of SWTOR, why did you make this post?

I want to see what people think of the beta.  Looking at the poll it looks very positive.  Ohh and I am not a SWTOR fan.  I am a Shadowbane / Darkfall fanatic.  I cant kill my own side in any of these games.  However I do like population and in GW2 I can roam around slaughtering whoever I want in the RVR zones at least without paying a monthly fee.  Even the hardcore need a place to retire since there is no other good game out.

Here, here! I'm an old Shadowbane player and have been disappointed with all mmorpgs since the severs shut down. I tried Darkfall for a bit, but lost interested in it. The Beta weekend was refreshing and even though the instant PvP was alright, the WvW was great I thought, that is when I could get in it, lol. But it's was a beta stress test so no biggie for me. I think I'll enjoy this game, time will tell.

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Originally posted by BadSpock

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Originally posted by -Zeno-
Just curious to see if anyone is canceling their pre-order after this last beta event.

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88% or so either not cancelling or never pre-ordered in the first place after almost 1,200 votes.
I'd say that proves without a doubt the first BWE was a massive success within the MMORPG.com community wouldn't you?
 

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Honestly, I am a lot less skeptical than I was before I read everyone's posts. I still, however, have some unanswered questions, that will probably not be answered until game's release.

Only reason I am holding off is the end game feels like "been there..done that" to me. Alot of you might think I am trolling, but this feels like Aion to me with dyanamic events. Everything I see described about end game just sounds like Aion where I will sit on my thumb twiddling it waiting for something to do.

The pvp was shit, but the end game was 5 mans and that was it.