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  doragon86

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5/01/12 3:04:09 PM#21
Originally posted by Verterdegete
Originally posted by Vunak23

 

 

You can't faceroll your way through the game like you can in GW2.

 

 

Actually, GW2 is quite a bit more difficult than TERA...

Yea.. I stopped reading his post when he said this. People were pretty much complaining about how difficult it was. I have a friend who was farming a 30+ dungeon in a group in Tera while waiting for release, and his group rarely took damage. In GW2, you're level 1, and mobs are handing your ass to you if you aren't wary. 

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  Airwren

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5/01/12 3:05:04 PM#22
Originally posted by Verterdegete
Originally posted by Vunak23

 

 

You can't faceroll your way through the game like you can in GW2.

 

 

Actually, GW2 is quite a bit more difficult than TERA...

Agreed, I have yet to watch anyone be "challenged" by anything I've seen in Tera so far.  The levelling and questing is most definitely facerolling from what I've seen.  Having said that I have yet to see any large scale pvp or end game raids where things might actually be difficult.  Anyone whose claiming that combat in Tera is a challenge (at least as far as levelling is concerned) is either a terribad or flat out lying.

  Jimmydean

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5/01/12 3:08:43 PM#23
Originally posted by Airwren
Originally posted by Verterdegete
Originally posted by Vunak23

 

 

You can't faceroll your way through the game like you can in GW2.

 

 

Actually, GW2 is quite a bit more difficult than TERA...

Agreed, I have yet to watch anyone be "challenged" by anything I've seen in Tera so far.  The levelling and questing is most definitely facerolling from what I've seen.  Having said that I have yet to see any large scale pvp or end game raids where things might actually be difficult.  Anyone whose claiming that combat in Tera is a challenge (at least as far as levelling is concerned) is either a terribad or flat out lying.

So you've watched Tera but not played it. Makes sense that you have no clue what you are talking about.

  Sovrath

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5/01/12 3:12:18 PM#24
Originally posted by Airwren
 

Agreed, I have yet to watch anyone be "challenged" by anything I've seen in Tera so far.  The levelling and questing is most definitely facerolling from what I've seen.  Having said that I have yet to see any large scale pvp or end game raids where things might actually be difficult.  Anyone whose claiming that combat in Tera is a challenge (at least as far as levelling is concerned) is either a terribad or flat out lying.

Actually the BAMS and bosses can be hard.

Especially the BAMS that jump around. Part of that is that you can't make a mistake or you pay for it. Part of it can also be endurance, especially when fighting them with a small group.

Levelling on mobs/quests isn't hard but very few games are. I know that I rarely died in LOTRO.

Like any game the difficulty raises if you accidentally pull more than you can handle. Luckily, in Tera, you could have a chance if you play smartly.

 

  Vunak23

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5/01/12 3:12:19 PM#25
Originally posted by Verterdegete

 

Actually, GW2 is quite a bit more difficult than TERA...

Validate it instead of throwing out worthless comments like this

 

 

Originally posted by Airwren

It's interesting that you make the comments that you do in regards to the rotation for skills in Tera.  If the game is how you describe it I have yet to see it play that way.  Watched a level 40ish slayer play for about 4 hours last night and it was the same process the whole time.  Gather up mobs, AOE, never go below 50% health, rinse and repeat.  Got on Twitch today and watched a 30ish priest do exactly the same thing the slayer did.  The combat didn't require any thought or tactics whatsoever.  I'm not saying the combat isn't good, it just isn't at all what you are describing here. 

Like I said. Preferred rotation. A smart slayer will use Whirlwind > Overhand > Knockdown > Overhand > Heart Strike > Overhand. AoE grinding is a valid way to grind but it isn't as fast as BAMing. So yes there is mindless grinding in TERA like in every other game. But it is NOT efficient.

And a slayer that doesnt go below 50% hp is a bad slayer. Very bad slayer.

 

In instances, BAMing and PvP the main forms of TERA you cant faceroll like in GW2.

 

I could counter your argument by saying the only thing I saw when watching a massive amount of GW2 streams for 4+ hours was people spamming the 1 key. And it would be true. The only thing I saw people doing was spamming 1. The difference between Gw2 and TERA. It was working in GW2. Do it in TERA and you will get raped by everything in game.

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  MMOExposed

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5/01/12 3:13:51 PM#26
Originally posted by Deolus

I haven't touched Tera as I don't like the way it sexually portrays its characters.

So you have not given me any option to vote for.

I dont understand people's hatred of this. In many cultures they embrace that. Why the hate?

  Xzen

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5/01/12 3:16:08 PM#27
Originally posted by MMOExposed
Originally posted by Deolus

I haven't touched Tera as I don't like the way it sexually portrays its characters.

So you have not given me any option to vote for.

I dont understand people's hatred of this. In many cultures they embrace that. Why the hate?

Cause sex is bad Mmmkay? But killing everything that moves is fine.

  DanielVE

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5/01/12 3:17:07 PM#28

TERA! It sux at the begining lvls but get so good when you are 30+.  I really love it.

 

That being said, i also like GW2 combat system, better than most mmos out there.

  Kuppa

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5/01/12 3:20:56 PM#29

I prefer GW2's combat, but I find Tera's combat entertaining also. The reason I prefer GW2's combat is because I felt that I was making more desicions and really needed to understand what all of my skills actually did and in the case of the Ele what attunement to use for the right time. Also, the movement is key in GW2 and for me that was the biggest lack in Tera's combat. I also found the pve in GW2 to be way harder(even though this is not necessarily correlated to combat), from 1 through 25 I felt like I cruised through Tera. Not the case in GW2's 1 through 15.

In Tera's combat the aiming is essentially the best part. The skills are interesting but not as interesting as GW2's, at least the ones I ran into. Combat awereness is pretty important also which is good, but that counts for both games. The biggest let down for me in Tera's combat was the animation lock. I've already posted in other threads as to why but here we go again...

Many compare Tera to other action rpgs or action games(Nija Gaiden, DMC, Street Fighter, ect..) I can maybe see some small similarities in temrs of the melee classes but nothing to back any comparisons with ranged classes. To start off, in those games you rarely do range, and when you do you don't have to aim. You don't even have to aim in melee combat. You swing/hit/shoot at a specific target or at whatever is next to you in those action games. In Tera you have to aim and that is the main difference. That, and the fact that Tera has skills and cooldowns also makes it completely different from those games...

That is why I find Tera's ranged clases more akin to RE5 and its shoot only standing still than those action combat games. It basically limits the "action" part of the combat since you have to stand still way too much. Now with that said the combat is still fun, but for me it could have been better.


  Morcelll

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5/01/12 3:21:28 PM#30
Originally posted by Jimmydean

The most frustrating thing as a melee player is when range are able to kite me with no consequences. Ever fight a Frost Mage in WoW? Now imagine every ranged class feeling like a Frost Mage in GW2. That's what the PVP was like. 

In TERA, the action lock makes it so casters have to choose their abilities wisely as well as melee. It's more about choosing your skills and when to use them, than running away and spamming 1 ala GW2.

This couldn't be further from the truth.  Melee does very very well in this game, but I've seen a lot of people complain about it.  It actually drove me to make a quick video on the last day to show my experience with melee. 

Here's the video if you want to watch how melee functions quite fine in PvP, and you may notice some server lag from time to time.  That was one of the major issues of the beta: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAi_2_eCf_A

  doragon86

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5/01/12 3:22:12 PM#31
Originally posted by Vunak23
Originally posted by Verterdegete

 

Actually, GW2 is quite a bit more difficult than TERA...

Validate it instead of throwing out worthless comments like this

 

 

Originally posted by Airwren

It's interesting that you make the comments that you do in regards to the rotation for skills in Tera.  If the game is how you describe it I have yet to see it play that way.  Watched a level 40ish slayer play for about 4 hours last night and it was the same process the whole time.  Gather up mobs, AOE, never go below 50% health, rinse and repeat.  Got on Twitch today and watched a 30ish priest do exactly the same thing the slayer did.  The combat didn't require any thought or tactics whatsoever.  I'm not saying the combat isn't good, it just isn't at all what you are describing here. 

Like I said. Preferred rotation. A smart slayer will use Whirlwind > Overhand > Knockdown > Overhand > Heart Strike > Overhand. AoE grinding is a valid way to grind but it isn't as fast as BAMing. So yes there is mindless grinding in TERA like in every other game. But it is NOT efficient.

And a slayer that doesnt go below 50% hp is a bad slayer. Very bad slayer.

 

In instances, BAMing and PvP the main forms of TERA you cant faceroll like in GW2.

 

I could counter your argument by saying the only thing I saw when watching a massive amount of GW2 streams for 4+ hours was people spamming the 1 key. And it would be true. The only thing I saw people doing was spamming 1. The difference between Gw2 and TERA. It was working in GW2. Do it in TERA and you will get raped by everything in game.

So you want that person to validate his comment like you validated your facerolling comment in regards to GW2? Quit acting like a fanboy and view both games objectively. Both games have their strengths and weaknesses. This is part of the reason I stopped reading one of your last posts, as it clearly showed you hadn't played the game. So why talk about something you have no experience with short of whatever video you may have seen, and henceforth decided to base all your opinion on?

"For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed:
And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!"
~Lord George Gordon Byron

  ta_erog

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5/01/12 3:23:11 PM#32

You Do realize that "spaming" the 1 key in guildwars 2 does not happen right?? 

That the 1 key for almost all weapons and skills is auto attack right?  And then while autoattacking you then do other skills and dodge which does take skill to use correctly . . . .right??  

Just checking . .

  Opapanax

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5/01/12 3:29:37 PM#33
I think both combat systems are fun. My lean goes towards GW2 though. The weapon swapping gives it the push..

PM before you report at least or you could just block.

  Vunak23

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5/01/12 3:29:55 PM#34
Originally posted by ta_erog

You Do realize that "spaming" the 1 key in guildwars 2 does not happen right?? 

That the 1 key for almost all weapons and skills is auto attack right?  And then while autoattacking you then do other skills and dodge which does take skill to use correctly . . . .right??  

Just checking . .

And you do realize that rotations dont happen in TERA right? I watched videos of people spamming one just as he watched videos of people using rotations in TERA. Either both happened or neither happened.

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  Vunak23

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5/01/12 3:30:55 PM#35
Originally posted by doragon86
Originally posted by Vunak23
Originally posted by Verterdegete

 

Actually, GW2 is quite a bit more difficult than TERA...

Validate it instead of throwing out worthless comments like this

 

 

Originally posted by Airwren

It's interesting that you make the comments that you do in regards to the rotation for skills in Tera.  If the game is how you describe it I have yet to see it play that way.  Watched a level 40ish slayer play for about 4 hours last night and it was the same process the whole time.  Gather up mobs, AOE, never go below 50% health, rinse and repeat.  Got on Twitch today and watched a 30ish priest do exactly the same thing the slayer did.  The combat didn't require any thought or tactics whatsoever.  I'm not saying the combat isn't good, it just isn't at all what you are describing here. 

Like I said. Preferred rotation. A smart slayer will use Whirlwind > Overhand > Knockdown > Overhand > Heart Strike > Overhand. AoE grinding is a valid way to grind but it isn't as fast as BAMing. So yes there is mindless grinding in TERA like in every other game. But it is NOT efficient.

And a slayer that doesnt go below 50% hp is a bad slayer. Very bad slayer.

 

In instances, BAMing and PvP the main forms of TERA you cant faceroll like in GW2.

 

I could counter your argument by saying the only thing I saw when watching a massive amount of GW2 streams for 4+ hours was people spamming the 1 key. And it would be true. The only thing I saw people doing was spamming 1. The difference between Gw2 and TERA. It was working in GW2. Do it in TERA and you will get raped by everything in game.

So you want that person to validate his comment like you validated your facerolling comment in regards to GW2? Quit acting like a fanboy and view both games objectively. Both games have their strengths and weaknesses. This is part of the reason I stopped reading one of your last posts, as it clearly showed you hadn't played the game. So why talk about something you have no experience with short of whatever video you may have seen, and henceforth decided to base all your opinion on?

 

I validated my argument with details of how TERA actually works. There was no context to his post.

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  Kuppa

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5/01/12 3:33:45 PM#36
Originally posted by Vunak23
Originally posted by ta_erog

You Do realize that "spaming" the 1 key in guildwars 2 does not happen right?? 

That the 1 key for almost all weapons and skills is auto attack right?  And then while autoattacking you then do other skills and dodge which does take skill to use correctly . . . .right??  

Just checking . .

And you do realize that rotations dont happen in TERA right? I watched videos of people spamming one just as he watched videos of people using rotations in TERA. Either both happened or neither happened.

I don't know what class you played but rotations do happen in Tera...and the videos you saw of GW2 probably had the 1 in auto attack. The fact is that both games have rotations, its how skill based games work. But I found myself breaking the rotation way more in GW2 than in Tera.


  RCP_ut

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5/01/12 3:33:53 PM#37
Originally posted by WardTheGreat
Originally posted by Jimmydean

The most frustrating thing as a melee player is when range are able to kite me with no consequences. Ever fight a Frost Mage in WoW? Now imagine every ranged class feeling like a Frost Mage in GW2. That's what the PVP was like. 

In TERA, the action lock makes it so casters have to choose their abilities wisely as well as melee. It's more about choosing your skills and when to use them, than running away and spamming 1 ala GW2.

This couldn't be further from the truth.  Melee does very very well in this game, but I've seen a lot of people complain about it.  It actually drove me to make a quick video on the last day to show my experience with melee. 

Here's the video if you want to watch how melee functions quite fine in PvP, and you may notice some server lag from time to time.  That was one of the major issues of the beta: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAi_2_eCf_A

Very nice, thats a melee very well played. I havent played a melee in 1st beta but i plan do to next beta.

  Airwren

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5/01/12 3:34:32 PM#38
Originally posted by Jimmydean
Originally posted by Airwren
Originally posted by Verterdegete
Originally posted by Vunak23

 

 

You can't faceroll your way through the game like you can in GW2.

 

 

Actually, GW2 is quite a bit more difficult than TERA...

Agreed, I have yet to watch anyone be "challenged" by anything I've seen in Tera so far.  The levelling and questing is most definitely facerolling from what I've seen.  Having said that I have yet to see any large scale pvp or end game raids where things might actually be difficult.  Anyone whose claiming that combat in Tera is a challenge (at least as far as levelling is concerned) is either a terribad or flat out lying.

So you've watched Tera but not played it. Makes sense that you have no clue what you are talking about.

If you're here to try and claim that somehow the live game footage I'm watching isn't a good representation of the levelling process in Tera I think it's you who don't know what you're talking about.  Christ even Bill Murphy whose one of the staff writers here mentions that in his blog post.  I even mentioned that I have yet to see some of the other game play aspects that could be more challenging.  Either way, my post is still valid despite your claim that I don't know what I'm talking about. lol

  Nevulus

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5/01/12 3:35:07 PM#39

Vs regular mobs: GW2's regular mob battles are significantly more challenging than Tera's, vs regular mobs.

Vs Boss & Bams: Tera's boss fights are more challenging than GW2's, also Tera's BAM fights, when you try to solo or duo, are significantly more challenging.

 

I only made it to level 19 on GW2, and 29 Tera. So my view is based off those levels, remember that end game can be a totally different experience.

 

GW2 boss battles were your standard "look for animation indicator" and move, they were challenging, but Tera wins this one by a bit with its bosses and bams that have a range of different attack patterns and scripts.

 

While out questing, GW2 was far more challenging than what Tera had to offer. With Tera I would just go out round up a bunch of mobs, and just AOE them down (albeit very fun), but with GW2 I would head out, get involved in a dynamic quest, and be prepared to face a challenging battle.

 

Only thing I was disgruntled about during GW2's PVE combat was when people would show up to a dynamic quest and just stand there and do nothing. I thought the encounter wasn't suppose to scale up, but it did. Others I saw were doing it on purpose then spamming local chat about it. Its a game mechanic i hope gets fine tuned, because some !@#$Q# will exploit it to ruin peoples' day.

 

Only thing I was disgruntled about during Tera's PVE combat was the extremely easy and slow start the game has. It ramps up a lot by 20, even more at 27, but still I felt it was too easy just the normal mobs.

 

Once again this can change for both games at later levels, only time will tell.

  doragon86

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5/01/12 3:36:27 PM#40
Originally posted by Vunak23

I validated my argument with details of how TERA actually works. There was no context to his post.

How does detailing how TERA works validate your GW2 facerolling comment?

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And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed:
And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!"
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