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  waynejr2

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4/30/12 1:51:02 PM#21
Originally posted by Gudrunix

My first time to Alterac Valley (the original version) left me with the distinct feeling that "this was what World of Warcraft should have been all along".  But AV got dumbed down and Blizzard relegated PvP to team-based Battlegrounds and the Arenas at the same time that in-world PvP died.


As the others above me said:  too little, too late.  WoW is so far down the end-game PvE raiding model, there really is no turning back.  They would have to redesign the whole game, including the engine, to turn it into a real World of Warcraft.  That isn't going to happen at this point; their player base is down to mostly hardcore PvE raiders with a few casual PvE gamers and a very few Arena diehards, and they know that and aren't going to make any substantial changes to the formula.


All the talk about revitalizing PvP is just that, talk, and won't do anything to get me to go back, and I suspect I am not the only one.

I loved the roginal AV and had the same feeling.   When it turned into the push to finish in 15 minutes, I lost that loving feeling.

I returned to wow for wotlk but left and will never return.  Gearscore, realid and losing longtime in game friends were the big factors.  I heard cata ruined the vanilla world so that also kills it.

  Stoprunning

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4/30/12 1:54:11 PM#22
It's a lost cause. Give up the dream. It's been over for a very long time. Just roll your panda and go raid.

 

  Alalala

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4/30/12 3:13:54 PM#23
Hard to take anything seriously in the Warcraft realm - with cute & cuddly pandas, we players are just fools in Blizzard's view. Putting the War in Warcraft? Really? No, they're putting Kung Fu pandas and Pokemon into World of Kidcraft. It's like Coca Cola announcing they're putting piss in Coke.
  Veldara

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4/30/12 3:58:39 PM#24

The biggest problem with WoW pvp design is the faction system itself.  It lacks the flexibility, looking at other mmos sure there are factions but they don't lock players into them like WoW does.  Factions should only affect storyline but never actual gameplay.  Raiding to pvp in WoW is constrained by factions.  I play my horde but I have relatives that play on alliance, I can alt but I would much rather play with my main with all the gear and familiarity.  There's other examples but simply put it's just an old school way of thinking and I'm glad mmos coming out now are leaving it behind.


  sithangel1

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4/30/12 4:35:55 PM#25
I am wondering how much life the game has in it. Skill counts for almost nothing as long as you have the latest gear. Pandas and Pokemon ain't gonna save it. Cata erked most players to the point of 850k subs being cancelled, and yet they still won't admit the Fail of it. World PvP dungeon and side xp bonus is not a new concept. Most games have been doing then for years, and in the case of Anarchy Online, over a decade. You want to shake it up, scrap the current incarnation of the world and Pandaria and get back to the original heart of the game. Go back to the lore and not the grind of boss after boss.
  palulalula

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4/30/12 4:42:53 PM#26

Originally posted by ShakyMo

Doesnt matter what they do. 2 factions, engine that doesn't like lots of players on screen, and massively lob sided existing servers. They should leave pvp to gw2 and ps2 and concentrate on pve imo.

 


lol gw2!!!! Gw2 is so poor compared to wow and it will be never on top .WOW pvp is 1000 times better then gw2  crapy combat system


  palulalula

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4/30/12 4:44:52 PM#27

Originally posted by sithangel1

I am wondering how much life the game has in it. Skill counts for almost nothing as long as you have the latest gear. Pandas and Pokemon ain't gonna save it. Cata erked most players to the point of 850k subs being cancelled, and yet they still won't admit the Fail of it. World PvP dungeon and side xp bonus is not a new concept. Most games have been doing then for years, and in the case of Anarchy Online, over a decade. You want to shake it up, scrap the current incarnation of the world and Pandaria and get back to the original heart of the game. Go back to the lore and not the grind of boss after boss.

 


Bla bla bla, still 11 millions and number is rising again after so many failed wanna be mmorpg's. Let me guess--horrible weekend in gw2 and you are just so sad that you need  old good wow spiting


  deniter

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Joined: 9/06/08
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4/30/12 4:55:16 PM#28
Originally posted by palulalula

Originally posted by sithangel1

I am wondering how much life the game has in it. Skill counts for almost nothing as long as you have the latest gear. Pandas and Pokemon ain't gonna save it. Cata erked most players to the point of 850k subs being cancelled, and yet they still won't admit the Fail of it. World PvP dungeon and side xp bonus is not a new concept. Most games have been doing then for years, and in the case of Anarchy Online, over a decade. You want to shake it up, scrap the current incarnation of the world and Pandaria and get back to the original heart of the game. Go back to the lore and not the grind of boss after boss.


 

Bla bla bla, still 11 millions and number is rising again after so many failed wanna be mmorpg's. Let me guess--horrible weekend in gw2 and you are just so sad that you need  old good wow spiting


Time to get real:

"Their marketing strategies are actually quite brilliant and I admire it from a business perspective. I've discussed Blizzard's reputation management in the past and this is just another great example: It's all about wording and how they perceive the numbers. =] They've lead the entire world to believe that they have 11.5 million active subscribers (thinking "players"), when in fact it was really half that amount (possibly less than half.)"

http://daeity.blogspot.com/2010/08/blizzards-active-subscription-numbers.html

 

  lavosslayer

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Joined: 1/12/06
Posts: 57

4/30/12 4:55:53 PM#29

Originally posted by palulalula




Originally posted by sithangel1



I am wondering how much life the game has in it. Skill counts for almost nothing as long as you have the latest gear. Pandas and Pokemon ain't gonna save it. Cata erked most players to the point of 850k subs being cancelled, and yet they still won't admit the Fail of it. World PvP dungeon and side xp bonus is not a new concept. Most games have been doing then for years, and in the case of Anarchy Online, over a decade. You want to shake it up, scrap the current incarnation of the world and Pandaria and get back to the original heart of the game. Go back to the lore and not the grind of boss after boss.





 




Bla bla bla, still 11 millions and number is rising again after so many failed wanna be mmorpg's. Let me guess--horrible weekend in gw2 and you are just so sad that you need  old good wow spiting





 


How can any mmorpg be a "wanna be"? Either it is one or it isn't, there is no in-between. The only thing you can truly use to determine how good an MMORPG is, would be whether it is successful or not. If it's still in existance and making money then in many ways all MMORPGs out there right now are successful. They might not have what any single person is looking for in a game, but they still have fans and still make money. 


World of Warcraft might be making money and have a rediculous number of subs still, but don't forget how many territories worldwide that have access to it. Those numbers are on a global scale and make it very hard for you or anyone to truly compare them to other AAA title MMORPGs.




  Chrisbox

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Posts: 1627

4/30/12 5:53:08 PM#30

Originally posted by palulalula




Originally posted by ShakyMo



Doesnt matter what they do. 2 factions, engine that doesn't like lots of players on screen, and massively lob sided existing servers. They should leave pvp to gw2 and ps2 and concentrate on pve imo.





 




lol gw2!!!! Gw2 is so poor compared to wow and it will be never on top .WOW pvp is 1000 times better then gw2  crapy combat system





 


LMAO please you know nothing about pvp.  GW2 pvp takes about 100 times more skill than WoW's.


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  Abdar

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Posts: 402

4/30/12 6:27:51 PM#31
If they can bring back real open world pvp I'm in. Thats where true pvp is at in my mind.
  Netspook

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Joined: 3/01/07
Posts: 1440

4/30/12 7:34:25 PM#32
Originally posted by deniter
Originally posted by palulalula

Originally posted by sithangel1

I am wondering how much life the game has in it. Skill counts for almost nothing as long as you have the latest gear. Pandas and Pokemon ain't gonna save it. Cata erked most players to the point of 850k subs being cancelled, and yet they still won't admit the Fail of it. World PvP dungeon and side xp bonus is not a new concept. Most games have been doing then for years, and in the case of Anarchy Online, over a decade. You want to shake it up, scrap the current incarnation of the world and Pandaria and get back to the original heart of the game. Go back to the lore and not the grind of boss after boss.


 

Bla bla bla, still 11 millions and number is rising again after so many failed wanna be mmorpg's. Let me guess--horrible weekend in gw2 and you are just so sad that you need  old good wow spiting


Time to get real:

"Their marketing strategies are actually quite brilliant and I admire it from a business perspective. I've discussed Blizzard's reputation management in the past and this is just another great example: It's all about wording and how they perceive the numbers. =] They've lead the entire world to believe that they have 11.5 million active subscribers (thinking "players"), when in fact it was really half that amount (possibly less than half.)"

http://daeity.blogspot.com/2010/08/blizzards-active-subscription-numbers.html

 

 

I don't know what's wrong with you wow bashers on these forums, but there's no limit to the amount of retarded anti-propaganda you keep spewing, appearently.

Time to get real? Right back at you.

If a company like Blizzard had lied like that, claiming they had at least twice as many subscribers/players than they actually had at peak, this would beyond doubt have been an illegal way to boost their stock values, and you can be absolutely certain they've been dragged to court facing fraud charges if that was true.

  TheHavok

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4/30/12 7:35:58 PM#33







Originally posted by Chrisbox






















Originally posted by palulalula














































Originally posted by ShakyMo































Doesnt matter what they do. 2 factions, engine that doesn't like lots of players on screen, and massively lob sided existing servers. They should leave pvp to gw2 and ps2 and concentrate on pve imo.















































 
































lol gw2!!!! Gw2 is so poor compared to wow and it will be never on top .WOW pvp is 1000 times better then gw2  crapy combat system















































 
















LMAO please you know nothing about pvp.  GW2 pvp takes about 100 times more skill than WoW's.























 








You sound foolish talking about something you do not know.  Here is a screen shot of a WoW healer's ui.  53 keybinds.  That doesn't count the macros he has for those multiple keybinds.  This is a top tier player and most top tier players (2700 elo in arena) have similar amount of keybinds.  Sure bad players will not have this many keybinds - but they are bad for a reason.








Now are you trying to tell me that WoW's pvp doesn't take skill?




Edit: I'm excited about GW2 and i'm a fan - not bashing the game.  I just hate when people talk about stuff they have no idea about.











 




 

  Netspook

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Joined: 3/01/07
Posts: 1440

4/30/12 7:43:37 PM#34
Originally posted by TheHavok

Originally posted by Chrisbox




Originally posted by palulalula










Originally posted by ShakyMo







Doesnt matter what they do. 2 factions, engine that doesn't like lots of players on screen, and massively lob sided existing servers. They should leave pvp to gw2 and ps2 and concentrate on pve imo.











 







lol gw2!!!! Gw2 is so poor compared to wow and it will be never on top .WOW pvp is 1000 times better then gw2  crapy combat system











 



LMAO please you know nothing about pvp.  GW2 pvp takes about 100 times more skill than WoW's.





 

You sound foolish talking about something you do not know.  Here is a screen shot of a WoW healer's ui.  53 keybinds.  That doesn't count the macros he has for those multiple keybinds.  This is a top tier player and most top tier players (2700 elo in arena) have similar amount of keybinds.  Sure bad players will not have this many keybinds - but they are bad for a reason.


Now are you trying to tell me that WoW's pvp doesn't take skill?

 

So, any wow player with less than 53 keybinds are bad players? Lol...

  TheHavok

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4/30/12 7:46:34 PM#35
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by TheHavok

Originally posted by Chrisbox




Originally posted by palulalula










Originally posted by ShakyMo







Doesnt matter what they do. 2 factions, engine that doesn't like lots of players on screen, and massively lob sided existing servers. They should leave pvp to gw2 and ps2 and concentrate on pve imo.











 







lol gw2!!!! Gw2 is so poor compared to wow and it will be never on top .WOW pvp is 1000 times better then gw2  crapy combat system











 



LMAO please you know nothing about pvp.  GW2 pvp takes about 100 times more skill than WoW's.





 

You sound foolish talking about something you do not know.  Here is a screen shot of a WoW healer's ui.  53 keybinds.  That doesn't count the macros he has for those multiple keybinds.  This is a top tier player and most top tier players (2700 elo in arena) have similar amount of keybinds.  Sure bad players will not have this many keybinds - but they are bad for a reason.


Now are you trying to tell me that WoW's pvp doesn't take skill?

 

So, any wow player with less than 53 keybinds are bad players? Lol...

No, my point is there is a high skill cap in WoW and because of this, really good pvp players have a lot of keybindings.  The number 53 is an example.  You clearly did not understand that.

  BarCrow

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4/30/12 7:49:24 PM#36
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by TheHavok

Originally posted by Chrisbox




Originally posted by palulalula










Originally posted by ShakyMo







Doesnt matter what they do. 2 factions, engine that doesn't like lots of players on screen, and massively lob sided existing servers. They should leave pvp to gw2 and ps2 and concentrate on pve imo.











 







lol gw2!!!! Gw2 is so poor compared to wow and it will be never on top .WOW pvp is 1000 times better then gw2  crapy combat system











 



LMAO please you know nothing about pvp.  GW2 pvp takes about 100 times more skill than WoW's.





 

You sound foolish talking about something you do not know.  Here is a screen shot of a WoW healer's ui.  53 keybinds.  That doesn't count the macros he has for those multiple keybinds.  This is a top tier player and most top tier players (2700 elo in arena) have similar amount of keybinds.  Sure bad players will not have this many keybinds - but they are bad for a reason.


Now are you trying to tell me that WoW's pvp doesn't take skill?

 

So, any wow player with less than 53 keybinds are bad players? Lol...

Yeah..i wouldn't call them bad players ..just players. People that like to play a game without spending 100 hours crunching numbers and making flowcharts of every combat scenario for every raid/dungeon. Then another 50 hours creating macros.....then...**huff**  **puff**...i'm tired just talking about it..lol.

Oh well..I guess that's just fun for some people.

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4/30/12 8:35:54 PM#37

Wow was an awsome game until they started to dumb it down, but that personal preferance.


53 key binds is quite impressive to manage, way more then i will ever do but its a skill im not interested in the slightest.


fps games take skill but you usaly click 8 buttons half of em are the move keys. left,right,up,down,left mouse, right mouse, ctrl/shift to duck. Thats a skill system im way more interested in then mastering my keyboard.


The macro system in wow is a smal cheat, its such an advantage for those that know about it compared to those that has no clue about it.


Like target macro, you can set a macro to switch target to the enemy healer in arena match and cc em with one click of a button. A hugh advantage compared to look around and target em with mouse then use skill.


  Scalebane

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4/30/12 8:50:15 PM#38

WoW will continue to do awesome like they do every year, even with all the people that wish it dead lol.   Even losing some subs they still make money because Blizzard is just awesome like that.

 

i bet MOP will sell millions just as fast as every other xpac they have released :)

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  ShakyMo

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4/30/12 9:23:48 PM#39
I don't care if people use 53 keybinds, its still boring old grind for tokens in small box pvp. You can't have good outdoor pvp with 2 factions it just doesn't work you need 3 or 4 or none and go gvg.

Which everway you put it the wow/eq/rift/eq2/swtor style mmos are raiding orientated games with minimal tacked on pvp.

Wow is good at what it does, casual friendly leveling, instanced dungeons and raids. It's always been an average at best pvp game, better than the wow clones but not a patch on games designed with pvp in mind like daoc, eve & planetside.
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4/30/12 10:44:41 PM#40
I like all the love planetside is getting in the comments of this article <3

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