Originally posted by neorandom

Originally posted by Atheenah

LOL, the game gotta be be really crappy to begin with if those two changes made you quit!

hes a ganker, if you can dress in armor on corpse runs he cant camp and snipe you naked.

 

and if you can buy stuff in the safety of the town youre in from other towns, he cant camp you in that one town if it didnt have armor for sale to naked gank you as you left to go to another to regear.

 

basically the 2 changes negatively effect campers that wanna kill naked people repeatedly.

Yes, I agree that is most likely the reason the op is shedding tears.  If he shed tears like that on an EVE forum he would be mocked.

Originally posted by ElderRat

Yes, I agree that is most likely the reason the op is shedding tears.  If he shed tears like that on an EVE forum he would be mocked.

 

Wow your EVE forums must be SO cool ;)

But honestly from the excerpt the OP posted that limbo death system sounds like complete BS. So if my guild wipes another guild, they can just reappear fully geared randomly close to me as long as that things not on cooldown and they have the money? So large fights will be decided by whoever has some stupid ability available and the money to pay for?

I don't think it makes the game like WoW in any way, its just a dumb system no competitive PvP game should have.

The new market system makes perfect sense to me though and is a needed feature.

Originally posted by darkehawke

Of course nothing will compare to the economy pre nge, SWG was a fantastic game for it. The shift towards loot ruined it, but it still remained a far deeper experience then any other mmo I've played. The nge got a lot better as it went on, but the damage was done to the craters and they slowly got more and more shafted as the loot whores got involved. It's a crying shame what happened to SWG, but nge was still a richer experience then wow and other crap. I personally don't blame soe for the nge anymore after hearing how lucasarts works. LA has the final say in any star wars products and the nge was, in my mind, their idea. Considering they forced an author to completely change the ending to his book wasting all the work he'd done on previous books building it up, we'll it just sounds a little too familiar.

It was an SOE mistake.   I am not sure if it is still around, but you can google about the focus groups that they used for feedback on the NGE patch while it was in development.   

 

Originally posted by ElderRat

Originally posted by neorandom

Originally posted by Atheenah

LOL, the game gotta be be really crappy to begin with if those two changes made you quit!

hes a ganker, if you can dress in armor on corpse runs he cant camp and snipe you naked.

 

and if you can buy stuff in the safety of the town youre in from other towns, he cant camp you in that one town if it didnt have armor for sale to naked gank you as you left to go to another to regear.

 

basically the 2 changes negatively effect campers that wanna kill naked people repeatedly.

Yes, I agree that is most likely the reason the op is shedding tears.  If he shed tears like that on an EVE forum he would be mocked.

 

Originally posted by ElderRat

Originally posted by neorandom

Originally posted by Atheenah

LOL, the game gotta be be really crappy to begin with if those two changes made you quit!

hes a ganker, if you can dress in armor on corpse runs he cant camp and snipe you naked.

 

and if you can buy stuff in the safety of the town youre in from other towns, he cant camp you in that one town if it didnt have armor for sale to naked gank you as you left to go to another to regear.

 

basically the 2 changes negatively effect campers that wanna kill naked people repeatedly.

Yes, I agree that is most likely the reason the op is shedding tears.  If he shed tears like that on an EVE forum he would be mocked.

 

So nothing Koster had to say about economy design touched you obviously, it all must have to do with ganking. 

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

As a veteran gamer  i am very worried about what AV is developing there. The more the reveal, the more shit it sounds. You all know i was a very avid supporter but i cant support the insta travel back after death = limbo and the global Auction House. Its the wrong direction i wanted to see this game heading to.

I m afraid DF flushes down the toilet.

"Once ganked, a character enters a limbo state where he is able to re-equip his character with items from his bank box, and reenter the battle at a random spot relatively close to his tomb stone." update 10 feb

 

"Browsing any marketplace will reveal all buy and sell orders currently available all over Agon. If  an item is located at the market you are at, you can buy it right there and then. If the item is located in another marketplace you have two options: You can either travel to the market and buy it there, or you can pay a courier cost related to the item’s price, and have it delivered to your location" update Feb 23

 

This will kill Darkfall for me. I ll supported it for become more rich gaming experience and not for it to become WoW. 

 

 

 

Yeah because DF was such a run away success why would they want to kill DF 2.0 with these changes.

Originally posted by Chrome1980

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

As a veteran gamer  i am very worried about what AV is developing there. The more the reveal, the more shit it sounds. You all know i was a very avid supporter but i cant support the insta travel back after death = limbo and the global Auction House. Its the wrong direction i wanted to see this game heading to.

I m afraid DF flushes down the toilet.

"Once ganked, a character enters a limbo state where he is able to re-equip his character with items from his bank box, and reenter the battle at a random spot relatively close to his tomb stone." update 10 feb

 

"Browsing any marketplace will reveal all buy and sell orders currently available all over Agon. If  an item is located at the market you are at, you can buy it right there and then. If the item is located in another marketplace you have two options: You can either travel to the market and buy it there, or you can pay a courier cost related to the item’s price, and have it delivered to your location" update Feb 23

 

This will kill Darkfall for me. I ll supported it for become more rich gaming experience and not for it to become WoW. 

 

 

 

Yeah because DF was such a run away success why would they want to kill DF 2.0 with these changes.

You could ask almost everyone telling you it had a promising ground to base upon. Some exptected it would have take  the route of  EvE with a rocky start and with continously development to flesh out what was missing.

It has a big world, cities, mobs to hunt, player cities, housing, seas and seawarfare, crafting, melle, combat, range combat, magic and mounted combat and freedom to explore the world how and when you like.

Just listing DF's feature let you think and "what's missing" ? 

For me its the lack of  "stay strict to sandbox" paradigm, because many listed features don't respect  entirely sandboxyness.

btw i dont care if a game's success is counted in number's of customers.  See, eating burgers is the most successfully nutrition in numbers but its unhealthy and wrong. Following the habbits of mainstream don't let you progress.

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by ElderRat

Originally posted by neorandom

Originally posted by Atheenah

LOL, the game gotta be be really crappy to begin with if those two changes made you quit!

hes a ganker, if you can dress in armor on corpse runs he cant camp and snipe you naked.

 

and if you can buy stuff in the safety of the town youre in from other towns, he cant camp you in that one town if it didnt have armor for sale to naked gank you as you left to go to another to regear.

 

basically the 2 changes negatively effect campers that wanna kill naked people repeatedly.

Yes, I agree that is most likely the reason the op is shedding tears.  If he shed tears like that on an EVE forum he would be mocked.

 

 

You were playing Eve last year when CCP introduced the cash shop, a lot of tears around last summer on the Eve forums.

Look where it got us. CCP did a complete 180 and is pumping out better content than ever - while focusing on fixing what's there (finally). Sometimes, tears make a difference. But not in this case (unless more people start crying).

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Chrome1980

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

As a veteran gamer  i am very worried about what AV is developing there. The more the reveal, the more shit it sounds. You all know i was a very avid supporter but i cant support the insta travel back after death = limbo and the global Auction House. Its the wrong direction i wanted to see this game heading to.

I m afraid DF flushes down the toilet.

"Once ganked, a character enters a limbo state where he is able to re-equip his character with items from his bank box, and reenter the battle at a random spot relatively close to his tomb stone." update 10 feb

 

"Browsing any marketplace will reveal all buy and sell orders currently available all over Agon. If  an item is located at the market you are at, you can buy it right there and then. If the item is located in another marketplace you have two options: You can either travel to the market and buy it there, or you can pay a courier cost related to the item’s price, and have it delivered to your location" update Feb 23

 

This will kill Darkfall for me. I ll supported it for become more rich gaming experience and not for it to become WoW. 

 

 

 

Yeah because DF was such a run away success why would they want to kill DF 2.0 with these changes.

 

You could ask almost everyone telling you it had a promising ground to base upon. Some exptected it would have take  the route of  EvE with a rocky start and with continously development to flesh out what was missing.

It has a big world, cities, mobs to hunt, player cities, housing, seas and seawarfare, crafting, melle, combat, range combat, magic and mounted combat and freedom to explore the world how and when you like.

Just listing DF's feature let you think and "what's missing" ? 

For me its the lack of  "stay strict to sandbox" paradigm, because many listed features don't respect  entirely sandboxyness.

btw i dont care if a game's success is counted in number's of customers.  See, eating burgers is the most successfully nutrition in numbers but its unhealthy and wrong. Following the habbits of mainstream don't let you progress. 

 

Yes you don't because it is not your money that is invested in the game. I doubt that the two changes listed in OP would make DF 2.0 more mainstream.

I am so excited for Darkfall 2.0!!!!!

Hell yeah it will be so fun starting fresh on an asian server!! I love being on top but am not skilled enough (or have enough free time) to remain on top once the game has been out this long. Starting out is different though because I only have to be hardcore for a month to solo groups and feel like a god and can remain that way for a few months! Awesomesauce coming this way to PVP community!!!!

I will probably still have my NA account as well but being able to solo own in this game again without having to spend a lot of time will be so fucking awesome that I do not understand any complaints that any PVPer has with the upcoming expansion.

As an MMORPG FFA PVPer how could you not be peeing on yourself over the release of this?!?

I promise you if you have any doubts than play with me and we will have tons of fun!

I will state this here like I did a few years ago and look back on this statement when and if Darkfall 2 ever comes out.

'its likely that Darkfall 2 will swing more toward what the mainstream MMOs are doing now rather than appealing to the core players. People who have made a career of playing Darkfall while also endlessly complaining about it are going to miss the days of Darkfall 1'

here me now, believe me later.

 wdOriginally posted by Arakazi

Explain why these two changes will have such a devestating effect on gameplay and why it turns darkfall into the MMO toy'r'us that is Warcraft?

Because DF is about capturing cities..... Take over ships..... Kill and take the gods like farms....... All this is ruined if you can just spawn beside the place you died...

But however, to few ppl are satisfied by the VERY hardcore mode right now, where you can ride your horse for 40 min then suddenly get hit by a tower a die....... If you are nab......

Something gotta change, and YES, it has to be something with the hardcore site of DF... Why? Cause ppl dont have all day all life to play....... And in DF, you can EASYLY use more nights on NOTHING.....................

Im not in for the Limbo state aswell.... But something near to it, that will tower the same idea. . . Like a summoner stone, which can be placed by 5 players.... 5 players can then sum there mates to this place....... Now theres something for the enemy to destroy, but also a easier way to get into a fight............................. As soon you make summoner stone its all fair... Cause its magic... An DF is magic... Limbo is wierd.................

It's such a shame that this sandbox game is being allowed to die by its developers ("AV").

The DF community is waiting for AV to announce its "promotion" which is meant to keep DF1 running until DF2 is launched.  As usual, AV is completely failing to tell its gamers what is happening and when it's going to happen.  In the meantime, the game continues to die a very slow and painful death.  The EU1 server is dead (despite what anyone says - the server numbers  cannot be argued with) and NA1 is on life support.

AV have really failed the sandbox gaming community on this one.

It's a real shame, as DF has been my most amazing MMORPG experience ever and has probably ruined any other genres for me now.

I still hold hope, though, that they pull 1k rabbits out of their hats.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

As a veteran gamer  i am very worried about what AV is developing there. The more the reveal, the more shit it sounds. You all know i was a very avid supporter but i cant support the insta travel back after death = limbo and the global Auction House. Its the wrong direction i wanted to see this game heading to.

I m afraid DF flushes down the toilet.

"Once ganked, a character enters a limbo state where he is able to re-equip his character with items from his bank box, and reenter the battle at a random spot relatively close to his tomb stone." update 10 feb

 

"Browsing any marketplace will reveal all buy and sell orders currently available all over Agon. If  an item is located at the market you are at, you can buy it right there and then. If the item is located in another marketplace you have two options: You can either travel to the market and buy it there, or you can pay a courier cost related to the item’s price, and have it delivered to your location" update Feb 23

 

This will kill Darkfall for me. I ll supported it for become more rich gaming experience and not for it to become WoW. 

 

 

 

Agreed. Why the hell should they be able to re-enter a fight, right after I killed them?? Battles will drag on for hours now, and players will become more like zombies-always coming back in huge hordes! And a global AH? Really? Players have always had to travel to trade and I remember always haggling  with people while trading. An AH will kill face to face trading! 2.0 does sounds like it will impact the game in a bad way. :(

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

As a veteran gamer  i am very worried about what AV is developing there. The more the reveal, the more shit it sounds. You all know i was a very avid supporter but i cant support the insta travel back after death = limbo and the global Auction House. Its the wrong direction i wanted to see this game heading to.

I m afraid DF flushes down the toilet.

"Once ganked, a character enters a limbo state where he is able to re-equip his character with items from his bank box, and reenter the battle at a random spot relatively close to his tomb stone." update 10 feb

 

"Browsing any marketplace will reveal all buy and sell orders currently available all over Agon. If  an item is located at the market you are at, you can buy it right there and then. If the item is located in another marketplace you have two options: You can either travel to the market and buy it there, or you can pay a courier cost related to the item’s price, and have it delivered to your location" update Feb 23

 

This will kill Darkfall for me. I ll supported it for become more rich gaming experience and not for it to become WoW. 

 

 

 

LOL..I knew it!

I preached it like the gospel.

I said 'with all the massive amounts of bitching and complaining people do about Darkfall there is little reason for them to NOT make Darkfall 2 more like a mainstream game' I warned you all...

as far as they are cocerned they will gladly trash the existing player base and get a new player base which is MUCH larger. Can you blame them?

Too many posts so I'm not sure if I'm repeating something somebody else said but...

Global market is going to fix darkfall in a big way. One of my biggest problems before I left was not being able to make the equipment I wanted because I didn't have access to the resources, and it wasn't a gold issue. I think they have found a good solution, and hopefully the prices for delivery are right. 

I'm incredibly excited about unholy wars, I hope to see you all there.

-Land Stander

Originally posted by neorandom

Originally posted by Atheenah

LOL, the game gotta be be really crappy to begin with if those two changes made you quit!

hes a ganker, if you can dress in armor on corpse runs he cant camp and snipe you naked.

 

and if you can buy stuff in the safety of the town youre in from other towns, he cant camp you in that one town if it didnt have armor for sale to naked gank you as you left to go to another to regear.

 

basically the 2 changes negatively effect campers that wanna kill naked people repeatedly.

And this is a negative how?

This one:

"Once ganked, a character enters a limbo state where he is able to re-equip his character with items from his bank box, and reenter the battle at a random spot relatively close to his tomb stone." update 10 feb

....is bad for this type of game.

It's like how respawning works in an arena game. Not good at all. We already have arena games for that.