When I said this game is hard and takes a lot of skill to even play PvE without dieing people laughed and trolled me...

My time to laugh now.. :D

Originally posted by Elikal

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That has nothing to do with the Trinity.

If anything you need MORE teamwork in GW2 then in a trinity designed gameplay.

Originally posted by Mannish
Sorry but a game is just more fun with classes for different roles. This is just one of the many things Guild Wars 2 did wrong.

 If you think this is wrong, then GW2 is simply not for you. Have fun in your other game, locked into your role, or being able to swap roles outside of combat or not. It doesn't matter. If you prefer not to have to adapt to the situation and just faceroll the keyboard there are plenty of other games out there to suit your fancy.

Nope. I feel like heals are too powerful as is. Battles can go on for longer than they really should because of this.

I'm not a fan of reviving people after someone has "finished" them either. 

Just my 5c opinion, the trinity concept has brainwash a lot MMO players including me too.

Why don't we try to learn and adept to something new.

It will be more fun cos its tend to get crazy at times :P .

Originally posted by maskedweasel

I stay in one of two support roles the entire time,  either my water attunement or my earth attunement.  Earth is really good to be on the forefront because you can reflect projectiles, and you can put up a lot of slows and stuns.. and I couple that with some other mitigation techniques such as an elemental glyph.

But i stay in my water attunement the most, and thats where I have my traits set, which increases my healing potential.  (yes you get a boost to a healing stat.  Hows that for no dedicated healers?)   When you are in a group and you know you have a water attuned healer,  its important to have an eye for where the heals are going.   These abilities are very good for keeping players alive, but even in the best situation, it can't overheal large amounts of damage.  In that sense I can keep an entire team alive when they understand where the heals are going to hit, and its evident the majority of players don't yet understand it.

For example, I saw another elementalist using the geyser as an offensive skill...   its not..     

I understand its the first time a lot of us have played and theres a bit of learning as far as skills are concerned,  but the game isn't that tough to grasp,  and it isn't action-y enough to warrant extensive action-game playing to get your footing.  By the time you reach level 10 you will pretty much be proficient in your class.  I really don't like people making this combat out to be harder than it is.  As far as complexities sake,  its not much different than standard MMO fare,  just.. now you can cast (most abilities) on the move.

I dunno masked.... that's probably the most 1-dimensional I've ever heard of the elementalist played. Considering how much inherent flexibility is built into the class, that's not a good thing. dontadow has some extremely good advice, tbh. Being able to tell what the group is doing & what the enemy is doing is far more helpful than just trying to spam heals everywhere.
 As you pointed out, you can't heal through heavy hits. There's only 1 class I know of that can heal through most damage, and that's the necromancer (most of his heals are self-target life leeches).  There are a number of useful heals, and they can be good for keeping players in the action a bit longer, but that's really the extent of it.

In PvE I would generally place heals around the melee when they started to form around one spot for a bit, because they are usually taking the most damage / have the toughest time avoiding it. I also tend to put AoE heals around groups of people that are dying, to make it easier for them to get back up. In PvP I do much the same, or I use AoE heals to secure a retreat / bolster an advance.

However, I've fought against a few people trying to just sit back and spam heals. What I generally ended up doing is using charge, snaring / trapping anyone around the healer, and then launching him into our own forces. On my necro it was even funnier, I could AoE fear people towards us, without them being able to do much about it. There's a lot of things that can be done to disrupt healing, and it's just not that potent to begin w/. I've found it's far more beneficiall to keep changing up your skills, and using a combination of tactics when / where they're most needed.

Originally posted by Zookz1
Without healers, PVP instantly turns into a DPS button mashing tunnel visioned clusterfuck, so yes, I'd like to see a healer class.

Yes if you don't know how to play... and are playing against people who don't know how to play...

In this game target switching, positioning, and bursting with ultimates are all a part of getting a kill.... its actually super hard to get a kill 1v1 vs a competent player... sometimes impossible if the class can run away and heal effectively..

But its not about killing... its about staying alive to capture objectives... Ive won so many games just capping points while my opponents slugged it out far away from objectives.

Sometimes in large battles it is a clusterfuck.... but I imagine being in a real large scale battle with 50 players would be that way....

The games very realistic imo

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Originally posted by MMOExposed
Wow, so much die and revive. Some attacks simply can't be avoided without being shut down.
a healing class would be nice. The AoE here is crazy. 
I had asked this question in the game, and got lots of agreement .
what about you all?

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I threw up in my mouth a little bit.

This is a huge thing they are doing moving the genre forward. What possible reason do we have to move back. If people are dying too much it is one of a few things.

1: No one knows how to play the game well yet. I mean, it's not even out yet, is it?

2: The people that are dying are just plain bad players and would die a lot regardless.

3: The game isn't properly balanced just yet, either with specific events, professions, weapons, abilities, etc.

4: The game is meant to be harder than other facerollingly easy MMOs.

I have a feeling it is some combination of them all.

But please, Light preserve us no! Don't bring back a Healer profession. Just no, never, ever, never. It's stupid, and a terrible idea, that takes us backward in terms of innovation and progression the genre. This is like saying "let's have no instances and use quests for everything so all bosses are out in the world and people get to corpse camp them again."

Ugh. Just, ugh.

Originally posted by Leodious

 

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Originally posted by MMOExposed
Wow, so much die and revive. Some attacks simply can't be avoided without being shut down.
a healing class would be nice. The AoE here is crazy. 
I had asked this question in the game, and got lots of agreement .
what about you all?

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I threw up in my mouth a little bit.

This is a huge thing they are doing moving the genre forward. What possible reason do we have to move back. If people are dying too much it is one of a few things.

1: No one knows how to play the game well yet. I mean, it's not even out yet, is it?

Doesnt take much to get use to it. Well for me at least. The combat wasnt that hard if at all. NPC can be ....nvm I wont mention this part.

2: The people that are dying are just plain bad players and would die a lot regardless.

This just isnt true. Bad and Good players will die. Especially when in Melee combat. You will die a lot. Melee will get focus fired in PvP. simple as that. very easy to die. Dodging doesnt work like some people seem to think it does. Dodging doesnt avoid all attacks. Especially when that attack is a AoE spam fest. Which you will run into a lot often in WvW. Nothing but major AoE spam fest. Can only dodge a few times before using up all your dodge. Avoidance skills have long cooldowns. Pretty much, if you get focus fired, thats it for you. you are going downed. And when Downed it is very likely you will be defeated as well by zergers, or AoE damage.

3: The game isn't properly balanced just yet, either with specific events, professions, weapons, abilities, etc.

Well doesnt this contradict your number 2?

4: The game is meant to be harder than other facerollingly easy MMOs.

Huh? lol Ranged is face roll. Melee if gimp. No idea what you played. Range is very easy. Melee is not easy because you are set up at a major disadvantage in both PvP as well as PvE.

I have a feeling it is some combination of them all.

But please, Light preserve us no! Don't bring back a Healer profession. Just no, never, ever, never. It's stupid, and a terrible idea, that takes us backward in terms of innovation and progression the genre. This is like saying "let's have no instances and use quests for everything so all bosses are out in the world and people get to corpse camp them again."

Ugh. Just, ugh.

Have you played beta this weekend?

No, that would turn the game into cakewalk buttonsmash

like any traditional mmorpg out there.

Originally posted by Draftbeer

No, that would turn the game into cakewalk buttonsmash

like any traditional mmorpg out there.

huh? its already like that. spam abiltiies when they off cooldown, and stay out of circles.

Originally posted by MMOExposed

Originally posted by Draftbeer

No, that would turn the game into cakewalk buttonsmash

like any traditional mmorpg out there.

huh? its already like that. spam abiltiies when they off cooldown, and stay out of circles.

huh? no it's not

No. 

This is one of fundamental mechanics. 

Having dedicated healer or not having it is HUGE. 

This would require alog of changes into combat mechanics and other things.

So no.

Besides one of biggest 'things' that kept me played GW2 beta and taking best enjoyment out of mmorpg in last few years was that this game is more 'challanging' than most of AAA mmorpg's in open world department and that it is diffrent , and you have to take care of yourself alot more.

So NO to dedicated healers in GW2.

There are plenty of games with dedicated hearlers - some of those games are really good - so if anyone wants game like that he/she have broad choice.

I wouldn't want to see healers in GW2 for so many reasons that I'll name just a few:

1) Way too many people are, simply put, terrible at healing. Maybe they're terrible at DPS too but this doesn't affect their team's viability so drastically. I had to healbot in WoW, I had to healbot in WAR, I had to healbot in Rift... because when I didn't, it all went to hell. For some reason people just don't understand how healing works in PvP. And I'm sick of watching green bars instead of actually playing the game.

2) Healing breaks the learning curve. When people fight against randoms and have a half-decent healer, they can play recklessly, they can overextend and get away with it. Then they meet a premade, they get focused and steamrolled repeatedly, they ragequit or start whining on forums. Overextending isn't OK. If people don't learn this among other fundamentals of PvP, they end up stuck with an unsound playstyle that will only cripple them later on.

3) When you add healing, whining increases tenfold. I'll explain why. Since focusfire and CC are legit, typical HPS of a healer should be 1.5-2 times typical DPS of a damage dealer. This leads to fairly long fights requiring a lot of maneuvering and terrain use especially in rated arenas. Naturally, long fights require patience and most gamers aren't known for being patient. Do you want to read over 9000 threads about how healers are overpowered and how healing should be nerfed?

4) No matter what, dedicated healing becomes a burden at high rates. Experienced high rated team always have competent healers who know all moves and counter-moves. Their performance is more or less defined by their raw HPS. Moreover, if healing classes are strong overall, mana effectiveness dictates the outcome of the entire match. (And if there's no finite resource like mana in game, you're going to see long annoying stalemates.)

5) Partially covered this in 1) but it's important enough to reiterate once more. Healing is too big to fail. You have to rely on your healer to some extent and even if you use vent some unfortunate lag spike can cost you a game. Statistically it all evens out but immediately it's very frustrating especially in larger brackets like 5v5.

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If you want more insight, try LoL. While LoL is a MOBA, not a MMO, it's a PvP game where clever positioning and well-timed use of abilities win the fight (as opposed to aim and good reaction in shooters for example). So there are certain similarities. LoL doesn't have dedicated healers but some champions can heal a bit. It's no coincidence that Soraka (healing support champion) statistically has one of the highest W/L ratios. And no, you can't pick Soraka and hope to carry your team single-handedly against a 2k elo enemy team. But when the odds are more or less equal, little HPS goes a long way.

Big fat no from me.

1) Great not having to wait for healers to do dungeons/encounters

2) Great not having to wait for a healer to run a succesful pvp group

3)Great not being a healer in pve (such a dull and easy class to play in previous mmos, was just mana management.)

I think in pvp the only times i died were when i got caught alone by greater numbers. On my mesmer I had this 1v1 against a warrior which lasted for like 15 minutes, and then a ranger from the 3rd faction joined in, so it was a 3 way. They were both on me, I gained some ground using escape tools, got my health back, came back and started on the ranger, but he ran and the warrior high tailed it. So none of us died. And not a healer between us, just using self heal effectively.

It's annoying that in other mmos, where it's class dependent the group with the healer will win out.

I have played a Healer for 7 years now. 

I tried a water elementalist and a guardian its not the same at all.

I will buy and play the game but I am really gutted still about this. Give me my  GW1 Monk back!