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  tallguy

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Joined: 7/18/11
Posts: 13

4/28/12 4:02:43 PM#281

The system requirements were clearly outlined in the pre-purchase pages, shame on you for not reading it.

 

  srps

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Joined: 12/02/09
Posts: 116

4/28/12 4:17:23 PM#282

I can't really complain about the beta. I know we've "paid for it", but still is a beta, hiccups are to be expected.

I had like 1,5h yesterday unable to login, then it started working and had no login problems since. Had a few lagspikes yesterday in Norn starting zone, today a couple huge lagspikes in charr starting zone, but else have had no problems around.

No stuck characters, no problems with non-working features, no glitches, the classes are working great (save for ranger pets that ocasionally get stuck), plenty of stuff to do, I dunno about you guys, but I wasn't that hyped (I'm used to these "betas", mew MMO launches, etc) but I'm having a blast.

Not enerything is perfect, I prefer some weapon skills to others for instance, but I get the tactical side where for a certain combat \ situation you have to be smart about the weapons you pick.

I've found some veteran \ boss mobs too punishing for melee, I suppose they'll need to balance to not falter into "WoW raid syndrome", in which being a melee was for ages stupidly punishing while ranged could just "sit and enjoy the fight" while afk spamming attacks. As ranged here you already have to dodge \ deflect missiles and other stuff, so the melee scaling needs to be seen.

 

All in all, a very positive experience. I wish they give an extra day for people to enjoy the beta, as the first day was kinda buggy login-wise. I know Trion did, and Rift beta was also smooth as butter. I have great respect for Trion, let's see if ArenaNet earns a spot nearby.

  GeezerGamer

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4/28/12 5:40:22 PM#283

What does "Beta" have to do with it? Call it Alpha, Beta, Call it Omega for all I care. What ever it is, ANet guaranteed people could see it if they paid. People paid to see this "Beta" which ANet guarnteed and did not deliver. You say "It's Beta" They say, "Yeah, I know, I paid to see it and can't" 

"But it's Beta" You should expect problems"

"Yeah I know, I paid for, and was guaranteed access to see, those Problems and I can't"

"But It's Beta You should expect issues"

"Yeah I know, I paid for, and was guaranteed access to see, those issues and I can't"

"But it's Beta, you need to expect things won't run smoothly"

"Yeah I know, I paid for, and was guaranteed access to see, what doesn't run smoothly and I can't"

Whatever it is, people were guaranteed. And ANet failed them.

 

Beta is not about server access, it's about testing the code. Every time my company issues beta testing to our potential customers, We kinda make sure they can access the application to actually test something.

 

People are trying to redefine what a Beta is so as to give Anet their "out" for breaking their own guarntee.

 

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  stayBlind

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Joined: 4/19/06
Posts: 451

4/28/12 5:44:36 PM#284

I pre-purchased GW2 for the beta.

I do not own a computer.

I demand a refund.

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  Aerowyn

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Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

4/28/12 5:51:38 PM#285
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

What does "Beta" have to do with it? Call it Alpha, Beta, Call it Omega for all I care. What ever it is, ANet guaranteed people could see it if they paid. People paid to see this "Beta" which ANet guarnteed and did not deliver. You say "It's Beta" They say, "Yeah, I know, I paid to see it and can't" 

"But it's Beta" You should expect problems"

"Yeah I know, I paid for, and was guaranteed access to see, those Problems and I can't"

"But It's Beta You should expect issues"

"Yeah I know, I paid for, and was guaranteed access to see, those issues and I can't"

"But it's Beta, you need to expect things won't run smoothly"

"Yeah I know, I paid for, and was guaranteed access to see, what doesn't run smoothly and I can't"

Whatever it is, people were guaranteed. And ANet failed them.

 

Beta is not about server access, it's about testing the code. Every time my company issues beta testing to our potential customers, We kinda make sure they can access the application to actually test something.

 

People are trying to redefine what a Beta is so as to give Anet their "out" for breaking their own guarntee.

 

for an MMO or any online game beta is ALWAYS about testing the servers.. A stress test is the big test but overall every big beta is a server test.. has always been this way and always will be this way.. 

if this was the final open beta I could see people's reasoning for  freaking out but this is still months from release

 

oh also where does it say you are paying FOR the beta..  it clearly states you are paying for the game, beta access is bonus for paying early nothing more

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  Bladestrom

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4/28/12 5:56:06 PM#286
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

What does "Beta" have to do with it? Call it Alpha, Beta, Call it Omega for all I care. What ever it is, ANet guaranteed people could see it if they paid. People paid to see this "Beta" which ANet guarnteed and did not deliver. You say "It's Beta" They say, "Yeah, I know, I paid to see it and can't" 

"But it's Beta" You should expect problems"

"Yeah I know, I paid for, and was guaranteed access to see, those Problems and I can't"

"But It's Beta You should expect issues"

"Yeah I know, I paid for, and was guaranteed access to see, those issues and I can't"

"But it's Beta, you need to expect things won't run smoothly"

"Yeah I know, I paid for, and was guaranteed access to see, what doesn't run smoothly and I can't"

Whatever it is, people were guaranteed. And ANet failed them.

 

Beta is not about server access, it's about testing the code. Every time my company issues beta testing to our potential customers, We kinda make sure they can access the application to actually test something.

 

People are trying to redefine what a Beta is so as to give Anet their "out" for breaking their own guarntee.

 

You didnt pay for the beta, you paid for the game.  Having issues in Beta does not mean the game is poor, it means you found a bug for them to fix in beta, and helped improve the quality of the very product you paid for - get it?

 

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  SuperXero89

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Joined: 8/16/09
Posts: 2595

4/28/12 5:59:56 PM#287
To sum it up, this is beta, so there will be issues.  Anet doesn't owe you anything because issues prevented you from accessing the game; however, public betas for pre-order customers are just marketing hype.  If there are this many people having issues, it was a mistake to hold an open beta weekend at this point in time.  Having done so has hurt GW2's hype tremendously.
  GeezerGamer

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Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 4161

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4/28/12 6:03:30 PM#288
Originally posted by Bladestrom
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

What does "Beta" have to do with it? Call it Alpha, Beta, Call it Omega for all I care. What ever it is, ANet guaranteed people could see it if they paid. People paid to see this "Beta" which ANet guarnteed and did not deliver. You say "It's Beta" They say, "Yeah, I know, I paid to see it and can't" 

"But it's Beta" You should expect problems"

"Yeah I know, I paid for, and was guaranteed access to see, those Problems and I can't"

"But It's Beta You should expect issues"

"Yeah I know, I paid for, and was guaranteed access to see, those issues and I can't"

"But it's Beta, you need to expect things won't run smoothly"

"Yeah I know, I paid for, and was guaranteed access to see, what doesn't run smoothly and I can't"

Whatever it is, people were guaranteed. And ANet failed them.

 

Beta is not about server access, it's about testing the code. Every time my company issues beta testing to our potential customers, We kinda make sure they can access the application to actually test something.

 

People are trying to redefine what a Beta is so as to give Anet their "out" for breaking their own guarntee.

 

You didnt pay for the beta, you paid for the game.  Having issues in Beta does not mean the game is poor, it means you found a bug for them to fix in beta, and helped improve the quality of the very product you paid for - get it?

 

OK having issues in Beta. Yes, I agree. But these peopel can't even see the issues in Beta. They are beta testing GW2, not the login servers. You people do not understand, There is a difference between testing hardware and software. Beta is a software test. Not a hardware test.

as for Paying for the game and not beta. Read this.

http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/game-faq/#forty-three

 

What is Pre-Purchase?

Customers who pre-purchase the game pay for the game in full and will enjoy guaranteed access to our Beta Weekend Events, three-day Headstart Access to the final game, and the Hero's Band digital item designed to enhance your gameplay experience.

 

Funny thing is, All they had to do was change the wording a little. But ANet in their own arrogance is gonna come out of this weekend with a few shitstains on themselves. And all the White Knights and Straw Men won't change that.

 

I did not pre purchase, I had no plan to be in beta, But It really irritates me when the developers can wrong people and then when they speak up about it, they are told it's their fault for not knowing it's beta. When Beta testing GW2 has nothing to do with network and hardware issues on the host side.

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  Aerowyn

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Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

4/28/12 6:12:58 PM#289
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

You didnt pay for the beta, you paid for the game.  Having issues in Beta does not mean the game is poor, it means you found a bug for them to fix in beta, and helped improve the quality of the very product you paid for - get it?

 

OK having issues in Beta. Yes, I agree. But these peopel can't even see the issues in Beta. They are beta testing GW2, not the login servers. You people do not understand, There is a difference between testing hardware and software. Beta is a software test. Not a hardware test.

as for Paying for the game and not beta. Read this.

http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/game-faq/#forty-three

 

What is Pre-Purchase?

Customers who pre-purchase the game pay for the game in full and will enjoy guaranteed access to our Beta Weekend Events, three-day Headstart Access to the final game, and the Hero's Band digital item designed to enhance your gameplay experience.

 

Funny thing is, All they had to do was change the wording a little. But ANet in their own arrogance is gonna come out of this weekend with a few shitstains on themselves. And all the White Knights and Straw Men won't change that.

 

I did not pre purchase, I had no plan to be in beta, But It really irritates me when the developers can wrong people and then when they speak up about it, they are told it's their fault for not knowing it's beta. When Beta testing GW2 has nothing to do with network and hardware issues on the host side.

sorry nowhere does it say guarnteed uptime or how long you get to play and that even goes for when the games released.. also like I said before in these types of games the game isnt JUST the software. You need the servers to be able to play so basically the hardware portion is required to play the software. Anytime an online game is testing its game on LIVE servers its testing both software and hardware... if you don't understand that then I dunno.. sorry

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Sarethor

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Joined: 10/02/07
Posts: 41

4/28/12 6:24:56 PM#290
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Bladestrom
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

What does "Beta" have to do with it? Call it Alpha, Beta, Call it Omega for all I care. What ever it is, ANet guaranteed people could see it if they paid. People paid to see this "Beta" which ANet guarnteed and did not deliver. You say "It's Beta" They say, "Yeah, I know, I paid to see it and can't" 

"But it's Beta" You should expect problems"

"Yeah I know, I paid for, and was guaranteed access to see, those Problems and I can't"

"But It's Beta You should expect issues"

"Yeah I know, I paid for, and was guaranteed access to see, those issues and I can't"

"But it's Beta, you need to expect things won't run smoothly"

"Yeah I know, I paid for, and was guaranteed access to see, what doesn't run smoothly and I can't"

Whatever it is, people were guaranteed. And ANet failed them.

 

Beta is not about server access, it's about testing the code. Every time my company issues beta testing to our potential customers, We kinda make sure they can access the application to actually test something.

 

People are trying to redefine what a Beta is so as to give Anet their "out" for breaking their own guarntee.

 

You didnt pay for the beta, you paid for the game.  Having issues in Beta does not mean the game is poor, it means you found a bug for them to fix in beta, and helped improve the quality of the very product you paid for - get it?

 

OK having issues in Beta. Yes, I agree. But these peopel can't even see the issues in Beta. They are beta testing GW2, not the login servers. You people do not understand, There is a difference between testing hardware and software. Beta is a software test. Not a hardware test.

as for Paying for the game and not beta. Read this.

http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/game-faq/#forty-three

 

What is Pre-Purchase?

Customers who pre-purchase the game pay for the game in full and will enjoy guaranteed access to our Beta Weekend Events, three-day Headstart Access to the final game, and the Hero's Band digital item designed to enhance your gameplay experience.

 

Funny thing is, All they had to do was change the wording a little. But ANet in their own arrogance is gonna come out of this weekend with a few shitstains on themselves. And all the White Knights and Straw Men won't change that.

 

I did not pre purchase, I had no plan to be in beta, But It really irritates me when the developers can wrong people and then when they speak up about it, they are told it's their fault for not knowing it's beta. When Beta testing GW2 has nothing to do with network and hardware issues on the host side.

Why would you say that beta testing is a client-only software exercise?  In context to GW2 - how do you propose to compartmentalize a system which has heavy client/server and network infrastructure so as to test them purely independent of each other?   That happens internally at a negligible volume of users.

It's a very myopic view and it appears you're not objective and reacting instead of reasoning, especially given your purported profession. 

I would say that stress testing the associated hardware/network infrastructure has historically come last and very late in development cycles and that's led to significant  issues at launch for almost every AAA title (and others).   I don't see how doing it concurrently really detracts from the volume or quality of data collected.  Obviously, if the login servers were down for 3 days they'd get no other data but that's not been the case.

The internet is an amazing platform for some people to showcase their deficiencies as a person.

Regards,
Sarethor

  GeezerGamer

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Posts: 4161

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4/28/12 6:44:01 PM#291
Originally posted by Sarethor
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Bladestrom
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

What does "Beta" have to do with it? Call it Alpha, Beta, Call it Omega for all I care. What ever it is, ANet guaranteed people could see it if they paid. People paid to see this "Beta" which ANet guarnteed and did not deliver. You say "It's Beta" They say, "Yeah, I know, I paid to see it and can't" 

"But it's Beta" You should expect problems"

"Yeah I know, I paid for, and was guaranteed access to see, those Problems and I can't"

"But It's Beta You should expect issues"

"Yeah I know, I paid for, and was guaranteed access to see, those issues and I can't"

"But it's Beta, you need to expect things won't run smoothly"

"Yeah I know, I paid for, and was guaranteed access to see, what doesn't run smoothly and I can't"

Whatever it is, people were guaranteed. And ANet failed them.

 

Beta is not about server access, it's about testing the code. Every time my company issues beta testing to our potential customers, We kinda make sure they can access the application to actually test something.

 

People are trying to redefine what a Beta is so as to give Anet their "out" for breaking their own guarntee.

 

You didnt pay for the beta, you paid for the game.  Having issues in Beta does not mean the game is poor, it means you found a bug for them to fix in beta, and helped improve the quality of the very product you paid for - get it?

 

OK having issues in Beta. Yes, I agree. But these peopel can't even see the issues in Beta. They are beta testing GW2, not the login servers. You people do not understand, There is a difference between testing hardware and software. Beta is a software test. Not a hardware test.

as for Paying for the game and not beta. Read this.

http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/game-faq/#forty-three

 

What is Pre-Purchase?

Customers who pre-purchase the game pay for the game in full and will enjoy guaranteed access to our Beta Weekend Events, three-day Headstart Access to the final game, and the Hero's Band digital item designed to enhance your gameplay experience.

 

Funny thing is, All they had to do was change the wording a little. But ANet in their own arrogance is gonna come out of this weekend with a few shitstains on themselves. And all the White Knights and Straw Men won't change that.

 

I did not pre purchase, I had no plan to be in beta, But It really irritates me when the developers can wrong people and then when they speak up about it, they are told it's their fault for not knowing it's beta. When Beta testing GW2 has nothing to do with network and hardware issues on the host side.

Why would you say that beta testing is a client-only software exercise?  In context to GW2 - how do you propose to compartmentalize a system which has heavy client/server and network infrastructure so as to test them purely independent of each other?   That happens internally at a negligible volume of users.

It's a very myopic view and it appears you're not objective and reacting instead of reasoning, especially given your purported profession. 

I would say that stress testing the associated hardware/network infrastructure has historically come last and very late in development cycles and that's led to significant  issues at launch for almost every AAA title (and others).   I don't see how doing it concurrently really detracts from the volume or quality of data collected.  Obviously, if the login servers were down for 3 days they'd get no other data but that's not been the case.

I don't have to propose anything. That's a problem that belongs to Anet. They made the offer, people took them up on it in good faith and put up their money as prof and guess what.......

I can tell you that my job requires me to track, identify and document software defects. I know you could really care less, but it does support the fact tha tI know what I am talking about. Beta is not hardware. The problems with access are harware. This is what I do. I just do it after release instead of in beta, but the process is the same. Fact is, It's NEVER about hardware.

 

The optimization issues, the FPS issues the lag issues. All the stuff people are bitching about in the game.....That's beta. And that, no one has a right to bitch about really. Because for them, the term "It's Beta, what do you expect does in fact apply and they need to suck it up." Those who did not get to enjoy the weekend due to Host issues, has nothing to do with beta. And none of this will prevent my from buying the game after release so long as they do what htey are suppoesed to and fix it. But again, Not related to login servers. Login Servers have nothing to do with GW2 code.

 

You can defend ANet all you want. They screwed up this weekend. That's what a Beta is. Software testing to ID issues in Code. Not hardware. As for the prior poster, You are redefining what "Beta Access" means so you can justify ANet's free pass on this mess when you should be holding them accountable so they don't do more stuff like this. Come on. Guaranteed access is guaranteed access. You gotit or you didn't. It's ANet's words, not my interpretation, they should have put in some wiggle room if that's what they needed, They didn't.

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  Gdemami

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4/28/12 6:56:25 PM#292


Originally posted by Terminus-Est

Its a bit more than that. Many many people have not been able to get in at all. I personally have genuinely never seen any beta (open or closed) crash as often as GW2. This is an open beta - we should be long past this sort of instability.

It isn't anything more than that, it is precisely that - a game under development.

Beta is for developer needs and whether certain amount of testers cannot log in is secondary.


This is no open beta, it is closed beta - access is restricted.

Also, you are not qualified to make conclusions about beta state as you have no insight into GW2 development process.

  Gdemami

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4/28/12 7:01:15 PM#293


Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Guaranteed access is guaranteed access.

And that is what you got. You are confusing access with availability.

They did not guarantee you availability of the systems, they guarantee you access when the systems are available.


  GeezerGamer

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4/28/12 7:21:26 PM#294
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Guaranteed access is guaranteed access.


 

And that is what you got. You are confusing access with availability.

They did not guarantee you availability of the systems, they guarantee you access when the systems are available.

 

Semantics.

Not one of you guys was thinking this way Friday morning. Now that you can reword what ANet said, it works. Well, I can't argue with you. But any reasonable person knows what Anet sold and what they delivered. And they look bad for it. Redefined "access" or not.

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  RefMinor

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4/28/12 7:34:16 PM#295
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Guaranteed access is guaranteed access.


 

And that is what you got. You are confusing access with availability.

They did not guarantee you availability of the systems, they guarantee you access when the systems are available.

 

Semantics.

Not one of you guys was thinking this way Friday morning. Now that you can reword what ANet said, it works. Well, I can't argue with you. But any reasonable person knows what Anet sold and what they delivered. And they look bad for it. Redefined "access" or not.

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  Distopia

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4/28/12 7:40:32 PM#296
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Guaranteed access is guaranteed access.


 

And that is what you got. You are confusing access with availability.

They did not guarantee you availability of the systems, they guarantee you access when the systems are available.

 

Many people can't even get as far as logging into their account. So those people (I"m sure a majority of those raising hell) have not gained access (while everyone else has). Should they be a little more understanding? Possibly, at the same time so could you and the rest of those raising hell about those raising hell. All you're doing is making this forum worse.

This isn't about crashing issues, game-play or game related bugs, it's about account infrastructure. The systems are available, yet their accounts are not, for those people what they were guaranteed is not being delivered, if that weren't the case many of these threads would not exist.

How is it hard to understand this? Or is it a matter of having to concede to a point?

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  niceguy3978

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4/28/12 7:43:29 PM#297
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Guaranteed access is guaranteed access.


 

And that is what you got. You are confusing access with availability.

They did not guarantee you availability of the systems, they guarantee you access when the systems are available.

 

Many people can't even get as far as logging into their account. So those people (I"m sure a majority of those raising hell) have not gained access (while everyone else has). Should they be a little more understanding? Possibly, at the same time so could you and the rest of those raising hell about those raising hell. All you're doing is making this forum worse.

This isn't about crashing issues, game-play or game related bugs, it's about account infrastructure. The systems are available, yet their accounts are not, for those people what they were guaranteed is not being delivered, if that weren't the case many of these threads would not exist.

How is it hard to understand this? Or is a matter of having to concede to a point?

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  Sarethor

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4/28/12 7:52:15 PM#298
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Sarethor
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Bladestrom
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

What does "Beta" have to do with it? Call it Alpha, Beta, Call it Omega for all I care. What ever it is, ANet guaranteed people could see it if they paid. People paid to see this "Beta" which ANet guarnteed and did not deliver. You say "It's Beta" They say, "Yeah, I know, I paid to see it and can't" 

"But it's Beta" You should expect problems"

"Yeah I know, I paid for, and was guaranteed access to see, those Problems and I can't"

"But It's Beta You should expect issues"

"Yeah I know, I paid for, and was guaranteed access to see, those issues and I can't"

"But it's Beta, you need to expect things won't run smoothly"

"Yeah I know, I paid for, and was guaranteed access to see, what doesn't run smoothly and I can't"

Whatever it is, people were guaranteed. And ANet failed them.

 

Beta is not about server access, it's about testing the code. Every time my company issues beta testing to our potential customers, We kinda make sure they can access the application to actually test something.

 

People are trying to redefine what a Beta is so as to give Anet their "out" for breaking their own guarntee.

 

You didnt pay for the beta, you paid for the game.  Having issues in Beta does not mean the game is poor, it means you found a bug for them to fix in beta, and helped improve the quality of the very product you paid for - get it?

 

OK having issues in Beta. Yes, I agree. But these peopel can't even see the issues in Beta. They are beta testing GW2, not the login servers. You people do not understand, There is a difference between testing hardware and software. Beta is a software test. Not a hardware test.

as for Paying for the game and not beta. Read this.

http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/game-faq/#forty-three

 

What is Pre-Purchase?

Customers who pre-purchase the game pay for the game in full and will enjoy guaranteed access to our Beta Weekend Events, three-day Headstart Access to the final game, and the Hero's Band digital item designed to enhance your gameplay experience.

 

Funny thing is, All they had to do was change the wording a little. But ANet in their own arrogance is gonna come out of this weekend with a few shitstains on themselves. And all the White Knights and Straw Men won't change that.

 

I did not pre purchase, I had no plan to be in beta, But It really irritates me when the developers can wrong people and then when they speak up about it, they are told it's their fault for not knowing it's beta. When Beta testing GW2 has nothing to do with network and hardware issues on the host side.

Why would you say that beta testing is a client-only software exercise?  In context to GW2 - how do you propose to compartmentalize a system which has heavy client/server and network infrastructure so as to test them purely independent of each other?   That happens internally at a negligible volume of users.

It's a very myopic view and it appears you're not objective and reacting instead of reasoning, especially given your purported profession. 

I would say that stress testing the associated hardware/network infrastructure has historically come last and very late in development cycles and that's led to significant  issues at launch for almost every AAA title (and others).   I don't see how doing it concurrently really detracts from the volume or quality of data collected.  Obviously, if the login servers were down for 3 days they'd get no other data but that's not been the case.

I don't have to propose anything. That's a problem that belongs to Anet. They made the offer, people took them up on it in good faith and put up their money as prof and guess what.......

I can tell you that my job requires me to track, identify and document software defects. I know you could really care less, but it does support the fact tha tI know what I am talking about. Beta is not hardware. The problems with access are harware. This is what I do. I just do it after release instead of in beta, but the process is the same. Fact is, It's NEVER about hardware.

 

The optimization issues, the FPS issues the lag issues. All the stuff people are bitching about in the game.....That's beta. And that, no one has a right to bitch about really. Because for them, the term "It's Beta, what do you expect does in fact apply and they need to suck it up." Those who did not get to enjoy the weekend due to Host issues, has nothing to do with beta. And none of this will prevent my from buying the game after release so long as they do what htey are suppoesed to and fix it. But again, Not related to login servers. Login Servers have nothing to do with GW2 code.

 

You can defend ANet all you want. They screwed up this weekend. That's what a Beta is. Software testing to ID issues in Code. Not hardware. As for the prior poster, You are redefining what "Beta Access" means so you can justify ANet's free pass on this mess when you should be holding them accountable so they don't do more stuff like this. Come on. Guaranteed access is guaranteed access. You gotit or you didn't. It's ANet's words, not my interpretation, they should have put in some wiggle room if that's what they needed, They didn't.

Thanks for validating that you're not objective.  Perhaps it's stemming from this whole perspective that they've taken advantange of people in a premeditated way.   I'm going try to address what you said.

 

First, you have no way of specifically knowing what the real root cause of the log in servers being down was, and likely never will.  To say that it's hardware because that's how it (always?) is where you work is an appealing to authority fallacy (as you seemed to like to mention fallacies earlier)  and ignores both the potential and actual differences in context between your professional situation and what occurred today within this game. 

 

About Alpha/Beta testing in general: 

In your own personal, job-specific context - and at the level which you work - I won't disagree that your definition makes sense.  That said, when you go up several levels hierarchically, in any complex system with interrelating parts/functions/software/hardware, one can and will affect the other(s).   For a very complex system like GW2, short of knowing Anet's specific, targeted goals for a session, I'd say beta testing means testing all systems and subsystems that are available within whatever particular build are being tested.  For a game which requires you to log in, that means the log in systems are part of it.   Whatever data is collected, if it highlights problematic or potentially problematic areas, then the test has fulfilled it's purpose.

 

Now, If a set of server hardware (or router, etc) died, that's most probably bad luck, period.   It's not part and parcel of the overall readiness testing which Beta is the (typically) final part but, as reliability goes, a function of probability vs time.  To say that it means Anet misled its customers is ridiculous in the extreme. Because they  had a random failure of some hardware that its systems were running on?   Please.  Short of negligence, they no more can control that than they can the orbit of the moon.

 

This doesn't even speak to what's going on behind the scenes to which we have no insight.  As a wild swag example:  Perhaps a very specific concurrent user test was done in-situ on the log in hardware and it caused the crash.  They kept the log in systems down while adding parallel capacity to handle it.  This type of test would allow them to figure out what their cliffs are with the current software (yes, there's actually software - which might have bugs - on the log in hardware) running on the level of hardware available purely for access to the backend.  I'd challenge you to recognize the possible differences between your own experience and what's transpiring here.

 

In closing, nothing that occured today is a strong argument that Arenanet was either negligent or underhanded in their marketing or organization of the event.  Naturally it's a shame that perhaps not everyone who'd like to have tested the game was able.  If someone had a very limited window of their own personal time and the servers were down during that period, that's bad luck and nothing more.  Anyone trying to make a conspiracy out of it is utterly lost their objectivity or have an ulterior motive.

 

 

The internet is an amazing platform for some people to showcase their deficiencies as a person.

Regards,
Sarethor

  Loke666

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Joined: 10/29/07
Posts: 16040

4/28/12 7:52:23 PM#299
Originally posted by Distopia

Many people can't even get as far as logging into their account. So those people (I"m sure a majority of those raising hell) have not gained access (while everyone else has). Should they be a little more understanding? Possibly, at the same time so could you and the rest of those raising hell about those raising hell. All you're doing is making this forum worse.

This isn't about crashing issues, game-play or game related bugs, it's about account infrastructure. The systems are available, yet their accounts are not, for those people what they were guaranteed is not being delivered, if that weren't the case many of these threads would not exist.

How is it hard to understand this? Or is it a matter of having to concede to a point?

Yeah, ANETs login server was really bad yesterday but it seems some people still have some issues.

Lets hope anet fix that for them as well, almost all players had issues yesterday so it is at least getting better.

It generally took me 10 minutes to log on yesterday. Today I have been logged on right away every time, and yesterday I had some in game lag, nothing at all today (except for 10 seconds anfter I just into a zone in some cases),

  Gdemami

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Posts: 6382

4/28/12 7:54:45 PM#300


Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Semantics.
Not one of you guys was thinking this way Friday morning. Now that you can reword what ANet said, it works. Well, I can't argue with you. But any reasonable person knows what Anet sold and what they delivered. And they look bad for it. Redefined "access" or not.

It is no semantics.

Just because you do not understand the difference does not mean there is none or there is a "redefining" of anything.

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