Originally posted by Lucioon

Originally posted by miagisan

oh look its "just the beta posts" starting up!

 

GW2  fans are such hypocrits. If theis was any other game they would be bashing the game to high heaven, but because its Anet/GW2....NOW they get a free pass.

people are already bashing the Game, I would rather they find more ERRORS and the Server Crashes more often in this BWE than the next. Because I really want to experience the next BWE with only half the ERRORs we are currently getting. And half the amount of Errors on the Third BWE.

What you are forgetting is that this is only the First of many BWE. Its not the BETA you are used to getting just before Launch.

We don't even have a Release date, bash the game now, so that on the SECOND BWE only those that wants to play the games play the game, then when its finally ready for Release, the HYPE will be even bigger than its now.

Its really smart Marketing move on ANet's part, make everyone feel like its the Launch day, so that on Launch day, all these problems and hate and QQ will all be taken cared of.

and i could point out numerous post histories WITHIN THIS THREAD of people sticking up for Anets "Beta" while they bashed other game's beta. I am just pointing out their hypocrisy.

Originally posted by Lucioon

Originally posted by AvatarBlade

Originally posted by TheCrow2k
lol, this is the norm now in MMO's. 99% of participants treat betas (happens in closed & open betas btw) as a free trial / demo. As a result the whinging is epic & the devs get no discernible increase in bug reports.....

I agree with you that an actual beta shouldn't be treated like a free trial/demo, but the moment you use the beta acces as marketing to convince people to pre-purchase, pay the game in full, there will be a lot of upset customers, since at this moment they are customers. I know that you actually pay for the game when it releases, not the beta, but it has been used as an incentive to convince people to buy faster and that results in people that have this issues being angry.

You are correct that using Pre-Purchases as a Beta tester is really not that good of an decision on Anet's part. They should have just choosen from the million player that signed up for the beta as their testers. Then on the 2nd BWE to offer it to Pre-purchasers.

Atleast they took care of the log in problems and transfer problems, now they got months to work them out without the pressures of the playerbase, like so many other MMO's during launch.

From what I experienced, SWTOR didn't really have a smooth launch, there was a huge outcry from the playerbase during launch. Same with almost every MMO launch that I can remember, launches was never smooth.

ANet are - essentially - doing exactly what they did before launching GW1. Back then people (in the US where I was then) could pay $5 if memory serves to participate in the beta weekends. (The very first weekend may have  been free). There were - about 6? - over about 6 months. If they liked what they saw they got $5 off the final product; if not no refund. Pretty sure that is how it worked.

Yes there are:

- pure marketing beta tests

- stress tests

- open beta tests

And this appears to be an open beta test.

The advantage being that thousands and thousands of people can - and usually will - find bugs and issues much quicker than a pretty small group of closed beta testers. Blizzard ran the US WoW beta for 10 months before launch; and towards the end had a parrallel EU beta - with a different version of the software so that they could check things out faster.

All a case of what ANet do next. And given their track record of launching polished GW1 products I would expect them to come good. Nor are they launching a subscription game. They want buyers next year and the year after. They also don't want to have support on-hoing for years.

Past success never equates to current success. Look at mythic, bioware, sony, ncsoft. All had good mmo's at one time and failed on follow ups. Anet to me is no exception. 

This game was hyped more than warhammer and is basically warhammer with better graphics.  Rift is really the only game in the past 5 years that had a good solid beta and launch and they were a start up company.  I played and I find it very concerning that serverside lag is happening when pvp is the focus.

Originally posted by Miotoss03
This is an open beta for the most part. Open beta's are meant to sell the game. This is no stress test. If it was they wouldnt have limited orders try again. 

This would be an open beta if the game maybe came out next month. It's a stress test. You just paid for it is all. Id expect to see another 2-3 of these before release.

Really wouldn't expect the game for atleast 3 months.