So im writing my first post after seeing the responses from betas of D3 and GW2..

We all know how successful WOW is. we damn know. we get that developers use it as the standard for how to do a mmo. BUT also realize..it took a very long time to get that way.. give the other games and companies a chance to do their thing, give the developers a chance to get it right.. dont just out right judge it and compare it to WOW and say it fails if its not up to your standards.  Stop asking for a WOW killer. There will never ever be one. Im not a wow fan boy or saying anything extra negative or positive about it..all im saying is.. stop comparing everything to it.. nothing and i repeat NOTHING can come out and compete with something that has 10 years on it. In every industry the vets are the winners and the new bloods have to earn the right to play.. thats how its always been. We have seen this time and time again with all the new games on the market where people say "YES ITS THE WOW KILLER! YAY" then realize wow is still here and then realize "the new game" still needs to be fixed because lets face it.. it is very new.. then you RAGEQUIT and call it a fail.. smh.  This is why the gaming community as a whole do not take MMOs very seriously because of how the community actually treat the developers.. so yea dream on if you think bethesda is ever doing a elder scrolls mmo, or any other big traditional console devs.. not with what is happening to the other companies.. too risky. too much at stake to lose(reputation) if its not "up to the wow standards" 

There have been some companies who have made really bad games. sure. but Dudes. There have been some pretty decent games that have released lately imho.. but fuck its like you guys judge everything from the birth.. and yes, you are judging infants(fairly new developers)  and asking them to do what a 27 yrold College Grad (WOW) is doing or has done and do it BETTER. its like whoa.. wait.. they still have to learn to walk, talk and eat first.

To conclude.. i wish we could as a whole, just let WOW be WOW and stop expecting so much from developers and try to see their point of view and see what angle they are coming from with THEIR  game.. stop auto comparing everything to wow..its killing the MMORPG genre because as long as this happens there is no growth.. nothing happens. devs eventually will stop trying cause they CANT satisfy you and then MMOs will be left in the dirt. a thing of the past sort of like og DnD and the people that still play that are a very small niche community so yea.  if you want better MMOs support the ones you have by giving them a chance to get their shit together. period.

Been here a while never joined till last year sometime and this is my first post. stay classy. and before it happens. ive played all the new market mmos yes.. im not attached to any, all had pros and cons. some more than others but thats not what this is about. 

1. Developers/publishers are trying to deliver the "wow killer" because they want the money not because we asked for it.  They could really give a damn what we ask for as long as they get money.

2. Developers need to stop promising the world and players might not be as likely to roast them alive.  When ANet delivers something like their manifesto and puts out challenges like "we won't be satisfied until we're number one" then they are asking for everything thing they get.

Originally posted by Torvaldr

1. Developers/publishers are trying to deliver the "wow killer" because they want the money not because we asked for it.  They could really give a damn what we ask for as long as they get money.

 

2. Developers need to stop promising the world and players might not be as likely to roast them alive.  When ANet delivers something like their manifesto and puts out challenges like "we won't be satisfied until we're number one" then they are asking for everything thing they get.

i agree with everything you said.. but imo its a tug of war type of thing happening.. im saying us a s consumers should just drop our end of the rope. let them have it. they only "BOAST" so much because we set the expecations up there by killing a game during beta and deciding then and there if its "Able" to compete with the giant.

When I buy a new computer I expect it to perform as well or better in every possible way from my previous one.

Yeah, yeah, software's different.

No wait, it's not, I shouldn't expect the latest version of Excel to outperform the 2003 version in almost every way. (and certainly to equal it where no further improvement is necessary/possible)

I'm not supposed to expect the same from MMORPG's?  I don't follow the logic.

For the last time. We're not expecting a lot, we're expecting something different. I'm tired of these $200mil budget games that are a cakewalk themepark peice of crap designed to make a dollar off of the lowest common denominator. I want a real MMORPG with a world that has weight to the events and mechanics.

WoW's sucess has nothing to do with it, it isn't an MMORPG anymore. You can't even see players when you're leveling from 80-85.

When a budget for a MMO exceeds 200 million.

When you see commercials advertising the game all day.

When the devs brag about how great their game is.

When devs lack creativity, and remake the same thing for 10+ years.

We are suppose to not expect more?  We are suppose to let them exploit us for money? That sounds fun. 

They don't take MMO's seriously? So what about every other genre? 

The gaming industry is about money not keeping people happy. You satisfy the masses, make your money. Then repeat after an alloted amount of time. Why should we praise a dev because he spends everyday for 6 years making a bad game clone? Would you see praise a movie or a music artist if they just made the same thing over and over? 

You go ahead and respect the devs while they use you for money. 

People like the OP seem like the reason crappy generic games do well enough and are accepted as the norm. No, we should expect a lot. We should demand something be amazing and until it is delivered people need to be harsh on games that devs praise.

Originally posted by klash2def

So im writing my first post after seeing the responses from betas of D3 and GW2..

We all know how successful WOW is. we damn know. we get that developers use it as the standard for how to do a mmo. BUT also realize..it took a very long time to get that way.. give the other games and companies a chance to do their thing, give the developers a chance to get it right.. dont just out right judge it and compare it to WOW and say it fails if its not up to your standards.  Stop asking for a WOW killer. There will never ever be one. Im not a wow fan boy or saying anything extra negative or positive about it..all im saying is.. stop comparing everything to it.. nothing and i repeat NOTHING can come out and compete with something that has 10 years on it. In every industry the vets are the winners and the new bloods have to earn the right to play.. thats how its always been. We have seen this time and time again with all the new games on the market where people say "YES ITS THE WOW KILLER! YAY" then realize wow is still here and then realize "the new game" still needs to be fixed because lets face it.. it is very new.. then you RAGEQUIT and call it a fail.. smh.  This is why the gaming community as a whole do not take MMOs very seriously because of how the community actually treat the developers.. so yea dream on if you think bethesda is ever doing a elder scrolls mmo, or any other big traditional console devs.. not with what is happening to the other companies.. too risky. too much at stake to lose(reputation) if its not "up to the wow standards" 

There have been some companies who have made really bad games. sure. but Dudes. There have been some pretty decent games that have released lately imho.. but fuck its like you guys judge everything from the birth.. and yes, you are judging infants(fairly new developers)  and asking them to do what a 27 yrold College Grad (WOW) is doing or has done and do it BETTER. its like whoa.. wait.. they still have to learn to walk, talk and eat first.

To conclude.. i wish we could as a whole, just let WOW be WOW and stop expecting so much from developers and try to see their point of view and see what angle they are coming from with THEIR  game.. stop auto comparing everything to wow..its killing the MMORPG genre because as long as this happens there is no growth.. nothing happens. devs eventually will stop trying cause they CANT satisfy you and then MMOs will be left in the dirt. a thing of the past sort of like og DnD and the people that still play that are a very small niche community so yea.  if you want better MMOs support the ones you have by giving them a chance to get their shit together. period.

Been here a while never joined till last year sometime and this is my first post. stay classy. and before it happens. ive played all the new market mmos yes.. im not attached to any, all had pros and cons. some more than others but thats not what this is about. 

Really?

"Back then we were a young start-up, a scrappy company trying to make our place in the world, and now we have a team that's able to deliver - I think Guild Wars 2 is going to be the highest quality game ever released."

-Mike O'Brien

So then, What do you suggest we expect?

Originally posted by Kyleran

When I buy a new computer I expect it to perform as well or better in every possible way from my previous one.

Yeah, yeah, software's different.

No wait, it's not, I shouldn't expect the latest version of Excel to outperform the 2003 version in almost every way. (and certainly to equal it where no further improvement is necessary/possible)

I'm not supposed to expect the same from MMORPG's?  I don't follow the logic.

It's just some people settle for less, even if it comes to what they spend their precious time and money on.  Kind of baffling, IMO.

whats killing the mmo genre is we are not expecting enough from the devs. too many dumb people are getting caught in the hype and buying every game out there and realising a couple of months down the track " this game sucks"/. too late devs got there money and they will do it again cos they know you are a dumbarse that can be easily fooled by clever marketing when they make another game from ur money.