so im writing my first post after seeing the responses from betas of D3 and GW2..

we all know how successful WOW is. we damn know. we get that developers use it as the standard for how to do a mmo. BUT also realize..it took a very long time to get that way.. give the other games and companies a chance to do their thing, give the developers a chance to get it right.. dont just out right judge it and compare it to WOW and say it fails if its not up to your standards.  Stop asking for a WOW killer. There will never ever be one. Im not a wow fan boy or saying anything extra negative or positive about it..all im saying is.. stop comparing everything to it.. nothing and i repeat NOTHING can come out and compete with something that has 10 years on it. In every industry the vets are the winners and the new bloods have to earn the right to play.. thats how its always been. We have seen this time and time again with all the new games on the market where people say "YES ITS THE WOW KILLER! YAY" then realize wow is still here and then realize "the new game" still needs to be fixed because lets face it.. it is very new.. then you RAGEQUIT and call it a fail.. smh.  This is why the gaming community as a whole do not take MMOs very seriously because of how the community actually treat the developers.. so yea dream on if you think bethesda is ever doing a elder scrolls mmo, or any other big traditional console devs.. not with what is happening to the other companies.. too risky. too much at stake to lose(reputation) if its not "up to the wow standards" 

There have been some companies who have made really bad games. sure. but Dudes. There have been some pretty decent games that have released lately imho.. but fuck its like you guys judge everything from the birth.. and yes, you are judging infants(fairly new developers)  and asking them to do what a 27 yrold College Grad (WOW) is doing or has done and do it BETTER. its like whoa.. wait.. they still have to learn to walk, talk and eat first.

To conclude.. i wish we could as a whole, just let WOW be WOW and stop expecting so much from developers and try to see their point of view and see what angle they are coming from with THEIR  game.. stop auto comparing everything to wow..its killing the MMORPG genre because as long as this happens there is no growth.. nothing happens. devs eventually will stop trying cause they CANT satisfy you and then MMOs will be left in the dirt. a thing of the past sort of like og DnD and the people that still play that are a very small niche community so yea.  if you want better MMOs support the ones you have by giving them a chance to get their shit together. period.

Been here a while never joined till last year sometime and this is my first post. stay classy. and before it happens. ive played all the new market mmos yes.. im not attached to any, all had pros and cons. some more than others but thats not what this is about. 

Sorry, I didn't take the time to read your whole post because I know exactly what it's about.

No number of posts like these will convince people otherwise because it's the vicious cycle of the MMO world. Some new MMO will be on the horizon, and people will just get too hyped about it, read too much into released developer information, and get it in their heads that "Man, this feature and that feature are going to be so damn awesome in MMO X."

Then they'll play other games along the way, and talk about how much it sucks compared to MMO X that's coming out (even though they've never really played MMO X yet and are only being stubborn about any other game they play until then).

And then it happens, the day they finally get to play MMO X, but it will never live up to their expectations. Because they've created the game a million times in their head of what it's going to look like, feel like, everything, and it never lives up to their wishes.

It's like people who ALWAYS say "The movie was just not as good as the book!" Why? Because you've created that story in your head from reading the book that's perfect to you in every single way and nothing will EVER beat it, no matter how amazingly incredible that movie was, it will never be as good as that perfect story movie you've created in your head.

Same with MMO's. They will always be the saving grace of the MMO world until they are released.

Originally posted by tgoodspe

Sorry, I didn't take the time to read your whole post because I know exactly what it's about.

No number of posts like these will convince people otherwise because it's the vicious cycle of the MMO world. Some new MMO will be on the horizon, and people will just get too hyped about it, read too much into released developer information, and get it in their heads that "Man, this feature and that feature are going to be so damn awesome in MMO X."

Then they'll play other games along the way, and talk about how much it sucks compared to MMO X that's coming out (even though they've never really played MMO X yet and are only being stubborn about any other game they play until then).

And then it happens, the day they finally get to play MMO X, but it will never live up to their expectations. Because they've created the game a million times in their head of what it's going to look like, feel like, everything, and it never lives up to their wishes.

It's like people who ALWAYS say "The movie was just not as good as the book!" Why? Because you've created that story in your head from reading the book that's perfect to you in every single way and nothing will EVER beat it, no matter how amazingly incredible that movie was, it will never be as good as that perfect story movie you've created in your head.

Same with MMO's. They will always be the saving grace of the MMO world until they are released.

I actually thought Jaws, the movie, was better then the book. I cannot for the life of me take any negative posts to heart when dealing with a new game still several months from launch. People need to lighten up and realize these types of games are constantly evolving and always will. 

Everyone was perfectly happy to overhype it the past few months,  now you want them to hit the breaks.   Sorry but you are about 8 months to late.

Originally posted by stayontarget

Everyone was perfectly happy to overhype it the past few months,  now you want them to hit the breaks.   Sorry but you are about 8 months to late.

 

Originally posted by Mannish

Originally posted by stayontarget

Everyone was perfectly happy to overhype it the past few months,  now you want them to hit the breaks.   Sorry but you are about 8 months to late.

 

He's not the only one who's been asking. In fact, ever since the Hype started 8months ago I've been asking for people to simply calm the hell down.

Now look at what has happened, AGAIN. People are flooding the forums complaining about how they've been dooped, fooled, tricked, and disappointed.

WE TOLD YOU!

I totally agree with the OP.

This is not the era of Dark Age of Camelot, where you can log into a game with 44 separate classes (no mirrors), and 24 races spread across three truly different cultures who are each at war with one another.  This is not a game with player housing and crafting that makes every crafter extremely valuable.  This is not a game without persistant battlegrounds.  This is not a game where you look at the handful of races and go, hmm, is there one that does not look Asian?

Dark Age of Camelot is a ten+ year old game.  GW2 is a new game.   You can't do a lot of stuff for players in a new game, like give them these kiinds of options and depth.  You still have to say, "this is an elf type of toon," but you can only make one.  Even if you have more than one "world" you still know for sure people will be fighting other elf type toons that look just like their elf type toon. 

Plus, people get really upset if the toons they fight are different than the ones they are using.  First they will go see if they can make the same toon that beat them, so if you do make a different kind of toon to fight that isn't a mirror of at least 10% of your guild, then you better make sure they can log out of your "world," and into the other one to make the apparently better and more overpowered toon.  This is why WoW had to give both factions a paladin and a shaman.  It just makes stuff easier.

Mostly, unlike Dark Age of Camelot or even Everquest, Asheron's Call, or Ultima Online, this is not a game where ten years from now people are going to be logging in to new games saying, "man, remember how much fun GW2 was?  We had the best times there.  Best pvp ever - best community.  Man that was a fun game, I wish they'd make a GW3."

Not going to happen.

So in the end of this let me add, do not expect so much from developers.  If you are unsure as to why this is a fair request, please direct yourself to view the movie, IDIOCRACY. 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clYwX8Z43zg&feature=colike

Doctor: Don't worry, scrote. There are plenty of 'tards out there living really kick-ass lives. My first wife was 'tarded. She's a pilot now. - Idiocracy quote.