Originally posted by erictlewis

They way I see it if your trolling the forums over here at mmorpg.com, well then you generally an unhappy person with whatever mmo that you are currently playing anyways.

Also not to mention all the hate that we have seen for the hype of other games.

Some folks just love to hate, just because.  That is what we have going on.   Gosh knows I am just waiting for the bashing threads to start once beta gets into full swing, and folks realize the hype does not live up to what they have received, or thought they were going o receive.

 

The way I see it, until I have read the scientific study or am assured by a scientist in the field, I should not draw any conclusions about the mental state of any poster that other people deem to be trolling. 

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by MMO_REVIEWER

Originally posted by sadeyx

Originally posted by MMO_REVIEWER

Originally posted by sadeyx

Actually it doesnt work like that.

You dont 'go to' a forum on MMORPG.com

In case you havnt noticed there is a news feed of posts on the front page.  If someone sees a thread they want to comment on they do.

 

This thread is generic about 'hype'  not guildwars.

 

So people arnt being arrogant or childish, they are just contributing to mmorpg.com as a whole,  which I think is fair enough.

Hmm..Touche. To think that a single word could change the entire meaning of the title of this thread. "Why so much hate for 'the' hype?" That would then refer, specifically, to the GW2 hype. Or atleast point in its direction.

Indeed.   And if the OP genuinly wanted to know WHY the hate... then isnt it better to get an answer from someone like me who is a hater of this hype?

If your saying, "I want to know why people hate the hype, but dont want to see any posts from haters and only fanbois" then isnt the thread just pointing out how self serving the GW community are?

Excuse me, but i don't think anyone here stated at any given time "Why all the hate for hype...oh and I only want to hear from fanbois. So haters stay out and keep your hate-flavoured drinks in your coolers." No one here is self serving, there was simply a question posed and you seem to be making an attempt to side-step it.

The moment you start exaggerating and demonizing, it is no longer "simply a question", it becomes more. 

If you really want a good discussion environment, avoid all form of mockery like the one you use through

"It's christmas eve. You're 6 years old and bouncing off the walls in excitement. Your parents give you a menacing glare and say "SIT THE F**K DOWN! CHRISTMAS ISNT COMING, SANTA ISN'T REAL, AND YOU WERE ADOPTED...WE DONT LOVE YOU...Oh and you're ugly."

Pretty sure that's not mocking anyone. Unless theres a 6 year old kid sitting next to you and he happens to be ugly and adopted...and you can magically transport us through time to december 24th, 2012. If not...I see no mockery. All I see is a slightly exaggerated example of what the original point was.

Originally posted by MMO_REVIEWER

 

Excuse me, but i don't think anyone here stated at any given time "Why all the hate for hype...oh and I only want to hear from fanbois. So haters stay out and keep your hate-flavoured drinks in your coolers." No one here is self serving, there was simply a question posed and you seem to be making an attempt to side-step it.

No but his point stands.

Someone who hates the hype would have a better understanding than someone who is caught up in the hype.

Originally posted by erictlewis

They way I see it if your trolling the forums over here at mmorpg.com, well then you generally an unhappy person with whatever mmo that you are currently playing anyways.

Originally posted by erictlewis

They way I see it if your trolling the forums over here at mmorpg.com, well then you generally an unhappy person with whatever mmo that you are currently playing anyways.

Also not to mention all the hate that we have seen for the hype of other games.

Some folks just love to hate, just because.  That is what we have going on.   Gosh knows I am just waiting for the bashing threads to start once beta gets into full swing, and folks realize the hype does not live up to what they have received, or thought they were going o receive.

 

I do agree there is always 'excessive' hate for games, just for hates sake.  

The trouble is that it covers up the actual logical reasons to dislike a product,  I have a genuine hate for anet, mainly for my years of wasted life waiting for them to fulfill promises which never came.

But of course my voice is not heard because its drowned by stupid, childish hate from people who, as you say, just love to hate something.

I do wish every GW 2 Player doesnt have to go through what I and my guild went through in GW1,  and I really hope people see anet's hype machine for what it really is.   If you've researched the game and the dev studio KNOW what they are like and have made an informed decision.... fine...  but dont be blinded, please.

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by erictlewis

They way I see it if your trolling the forums over here at mmorpg.com, well then you generally an unhappy person with whatever mmo that you are currently playing anyways.

Also not to mention all the hate that we have seen for the hype of other games.

Some folks just love to hate, just because.  That is what we have going on.   Gosh knows I am just waiting for the bashing threads to start once beta gets into full swing, and folks realize the hype does not live up to what they have received, or thought they were going o receive.

 

 

The way I see it, until I have read the scientific study or am assured by a scientist in the field, I should not draw any conclusions about the mental state of any poster that other people deem to be trolling. 

Exactly. Not to mention the word "trolling" is often abused as an easy way to dismiss an opinion one doesn't like, or of someone who he doesn't like. I'm glad that the moderators here punish the abuse of the word "troll".

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by Kyleran

Because no title can live up to the unrealistic expecations that excessive hype sets up for it.

 

Really?  Is that slippery slope the basis of the defense?

You authoritatively state as fact what can be (at best) described as a popular speculation.  World of Warcraft is essence did live up to the marketing, for instance (most people will agree, at least initially).

Interesting example.  Notice my join date to these forums.  Prior to that I had largely spent my time over on the WOW forums almost exclusively, as my practice over many years has to been to frequent one forum almost exclusively. 

So prior to 2006, I was only found on whatever was the main game forum of whatever title I was playing, (VNBoards for DAOC, L1/L2 Company forums, and of course, the WOW forums).

So I guess I completely missed the "hype" for WOW, in fact, I had barely heard of it just before it went live in open beta so I can't speak to how well or not it lived up to it's hype, I didn't experience it.

I will admit to playing WOW for over 18 months in total and certainly had some fun until I saw the direction the game was going with the annouced release of the BC expansion. (not the direction I had expected/hoped for)

So as of 2006 I'm on the MMORPG.com forums and truth is, I get almost all of my exposure/news to MMO's from this site exclusively, so as you might expect (and I realize) my perspective is likely skewed toward the negative.

Since joining, I've seen one title after another 'hyped' as the next big thing, the WOW killer, the game to bring us a truely new and different game experience, and in almost every case, they failed to deliver to such lofty expectations. 

That's not to say they didn't have some fun in them, I certainly spent at least a few months in most major titles, but I will say my greatest surprise during the past 6 years was an unsung hero called EVE, which turned out to be the 2nd best MMORPG I've ever played (after DAOC, WOW comes in 3rd actually).

In fact, EVE was anti-hyped, I had read so many posts about it being boring, (spreadsheets in space), that I'd never catch up to the veterans  (a fallacy), that there was rampant cheating by the Devs. (there  was cheating, but Devs weren't the problem) and a game community largely made up of asshats and douchebags. (I found myself fitting right in with that crew) 

But I played it anyways, and feel the experience was only heightend by my lack of expectations for the title.

OK, I'll amend my original assertion to say "Few titles ever live up to the unrealisitic expectations that excessive hype sets up for them." 

 I just dont' think its good for the titles themselves for people to come on forums and gush praisingly about a game, especially if it's over inconsequential items, or made in unrealistic and over the top claims of how great they are.

While planning on playing TERA for now, I actually have hope that GW2 will be one of those few titles that lives up to the hype and really turns the MMORPG world on its ear. (would be the first time since WOW IMO) but until I actually get to experience it, I'm going to withhold my excitement.  (Hey, I didn't get the moniker "BitterVet _™" from my positive, cheery optimisim)

BTW, I thought the loading screen in GW2 was pretty cool.

 

And here I am holding my EVE account hostage until they give me the damn walking in stations. I want to take my Battleship out for another test drive and pray to whatever gods are up there that it doesnt go 'pop'.

Originally posted by Nimar
Some people dont have anything else to do.

Not until 5PM when work lets out, anyway.

Originally posted by MMO_REVIEWER

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by MMO_REVIEWER

Originally posted by sadeyx

Originally posted by MMO_REVIEWER

Originally posted by sadeyx

Actually it doesnt work like that.

You dont 'go to' a forum on MMORPG.com

In case you havnt noticed there is a news feed of posts on the front page.  If someone sees a thread they want to comment on they do.

 

This thread is generic about 'hype'  not guildwars.

 

So people arnt being arrogant or childish, they are just contributing to mmorpg.com as a whole,  which I think is fair enough.

Hmm..Touche. To think that a single word could change the entire meaning of the title of this thread. "Why so much hate for 'the' hype?" That would then refer, specifically, to the GW2 hype. Or atleast point in its direction.

Indeed.   And if the OP genuinly wanted to know WHY the hate... then isnt it better to get an answer from someone like me who is a hater of this hype?

If your saying, "I want to know why people hate the hype, but dont want to see any posts from haters and only fanbois" then isnt the thread just pointing out how self serving the GW community are?

Excuse me, but i don't think anyone here stated at any given time "Why all the hate for hype...oh and I only want to hear from fanbois. So haters stay out and keep your hate-flavoured drinks in your coolers." No one here is self serving, there was simply a question posed and you seem to be making an attempt to side-step it.

The moment you start exaggerating and demonizing, it is no longer "simply a question", it becomes more. 

If you really want a good discussion environment, avoid all form of mockery like the one you use through

"It's christmas eve. You're 6 years old and bouncing off the walls in excitement. Your parents give you a menacing glare and say "SIT THE F**K DOWN! CHRISTMAS ISNT COMING, SANTA ISN'T REAL, AND YOU WERE ADOPTED...WE DONT LOVE YOU...Oh and you're ugly."

Pretty sure that's not mocking anyone. Unless theres a 6 year old kid sitting next to you and he happens to be ugly and adopted...and you can magically transport us through time to december 24th, 2012. If not...I see no mockery. All I see is a slightly exaggerated example of what the original point was.

You are mocking by implying that the "posters of interest" are like the parents in your example. 

Originally posted by MMO_REVIEWER

 And here I am holding my EVE account hostage until they give me the damn walking in stations.

LOL

Me too... well, I still do sign up for it but I agree... Im very sad about wis.

And yes... at the moment I have nothing to do,  but in 20 minutes I will be playing the early access of Tera Online... and when Diablo 3 comes out, well... im going to be very busy :D

Originally posted by sadeyx

Originally posted by erictlewis

They way I see it if your trolling the forums over here at mmorpg.com, well then you generally an unhappy person with whatever mmo that you are currently playing anyways.

Also not to mention all the hate that we have seen for the hype of other games.

Some folks just love to hate, just because.  That is what we have going on.   Gosh knows I am just waiting for the bashing threads to start once beta gets into full swing, and folks realize the hype does not live up to what they have received, or thought they were going o receive.

 

I do agree there is always 'excessive' hate for games, just for hates sake.  

The trouble is that it covers up the actual logical reasons to dislike a product,  I have a genuine hate for anet, mainly for my years of wasted life waiting for them to fulfill promises which never came.

But of course my voice is not heard because its drowned by stupid, childish hate from people who, as you say, just love to hate something.

I do wish every GW 2 Player doesnt have to go through what I and my guild went through in GW1,  and I really hope people see anet's hype machine for what it really is.   If you've researched the game and the dev studio KNOW what they are like and have made an informed decision.... fine...  but dont be blinded, please.

Now this is a sensible rebuttal. It lacks the shallow mind set of "I dont like the game, because I dont like it" or whatever various reasons are floating around. He has a valid reason for disliking the game. He didnt bash another person saying "youre stupid for following them! They will lead you to your doom!" And I actually, despite my disagreement, enjoyed reading his post. I will however say, even though there were somethings that just didn't make it into the final build...were they so absolutely paramount that the game was just unbearable without them. To the point that if you didn't have them within 24 hours you were going to blow up hospitals until you had what youd been promised(sorry just had to make an allusion to Dark Knight)?

I mean sure, they said this and they said that, but you know what so does a president when he is campaigning and how often does he get to do what he wants to do? I wont go any further on that example so as not to open a much much larger can of worms...

The game was fun with or without that feature. I enjoyed the intricate small scale GvG. I enjoyed the absolute freedom in my choice of build, skills, and class combinations.  I thoroughly enjoyed the music, scenery, and story - some of the best story telling I've seen in an MMO and have yet to see a recent MMO match it. Sure the cutscenes were only prescripted emotes and well timed movements, but it was much more than what most games offered. Heck, Aion gave you a 3 second clip of the camera zooming in on a boss right as he goes "RAWR!" and thats it! So much for trying to drive the story forward :(.

But in the end...I like your post, but I will humbly disagree.

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

 

You are mocking by implying that the "posters of interest" are like the parents in your example. 

I see what you're saying, but also understand that that example ...really isn't that far from the truth in some cases. I think I've been called an adopted red headed step child before in a forum at some point...I think...

Originally posted by sadeyx

Originally posted by erictlewis

They way I see it if your trolling the forums over here at mmorpg.com, well then you generally an unhappy person with whatever mmo that you are currently playing anyways.

Also not to mention all the hate that we have seen for the hype of other games.

Some folks just love to hate, just because.  That is what we have going on.   Gosh knows I am just waiting for the bashing threads to start once beta gets into full swing, and folks realize the hype does not live up to what they have received, or thought they were going o receive.

 

I do agree there is always 'excessive' hate for games, just for hates sake.  

The trouble is that it covers up the actual logical reasons to dislike a product,  I have a genuine hate for anet, mainly for my years of wasted life waiting for them to fulfill promises which never came.

But of course my voice is not heard because its drowned by stupid, childish hate from people who, as you say, just love to hate something.

I do wish every GW 2 Player doesnt have to go through what I and my guild went through in GW1,  and I really hope people see anet's hype machine for what it really is.   If you've researched the game and the dev studio KNOW what they are like and have made an informed decision.... fine...  but dont be blinded, please.

I also have a dislike for anet, aka ncsoft,  this goes all the way back to what happened with Tabula Rasa,  all one has to do is go back and read my post if they still exist on that topic.  My entire point is that there were a lot of folks who were hating on other games,  I wonder how many of those same folks will be hating on this game afer they get thier hands on it. There is a great number of folks who I see always posting I hate this game, that game and that game because.  It seams to be a sport on this site to be a hater, without actually having valid reasons.

Hate for Hype is obviously with reasons... many many and then some games have been hyped to the stars and come launch and few weeks thereafter, the games have fallen flat miserably (some more, some less, but flat nonetheless)

Last time i was truly excited and hyped up about a game, was Deus Ex 3, and the hype was rewarded, atleast to me!

Only MMO that im currently slightly hyped up about is ArcheAge and reasonably so, because it has been without NDA since forever and all the features in it currently are just mindblowingly awesome.

Originally posted by MMO_REVIEWER

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

 

You are mocking by implying that the "posters of interest" are like the parents in your example. 

I see what you're saying, but also understand that that example ...really isn't that far from the truth in some cases. I think I've been called an adopted red headed step child before in a forum at some point...I think...

It is very much far from the truth for different reasons. It is enough to point out that the posters in these forums do not willingly traumatize a minor through these forums.

Originally posted by colddog04

I always view the ones that claim neutrality to be the worst offenders. It's the ultimate safe zone when it comes to discussion in my opinion. "Look at me! I'm completely unbiased! Here are the reasons why you hyped/unhappy people are acting like fools.."

I only see shades of gray. I am able to see truth for what it is. I am unbiased and therefor more interesting and important. Blah blah blah.

Stop hating people for what they think and you might be able to see further than your nose.

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by MMO_REVIEWER

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

 

You are mocking by implying that the "posters of interest" are like the parents in your example. 

I see what you're saying, but also understand that that example ...really isn't that far from the truth in some cases. I think I've been called an adopted red headed step child before in a forum at some point...I think...

It is very much far from the truth for different reasons. It is enough to point out that the posters in these forums do not willingly traumatize a minor through these forums.

Hey now, I've seen dad throw the wine bottle across the room at mommy. And then he points at me and calls me 'whoops'. Juuust kidding. What i meant by not far from the truth is that most people will come on the forum with the intent of just bashing someone into the ground. Taking their hopes and dreams and smashing them into tiny pieces. I know this because I have a co-worker who is one of these people. She thrives on the sorrow and unrest of others.

I dont hate NCSOFT.   They are just bank rollers.

ANET are the studio, its from them which this.... 'exageration' comes from.

Yes, everyone says things which may not end up being true.., but its just the way in which ANET does it.

OK, i'll give you a small example.

in GW1 everyone was fed up with the 8 emotes that we had, so we asked ANET "Will there be new emotes in factions"  YES, they proudly proclaim there will definatly be emotes

Awesome.. everyone though, and left it at that.

Turns out, the ONLY new emotes came IF you bought the collectors edition, and ONLY for the two new classes.

This caused rage! "you said this..."   and ANET's response was simply " Lets not argue about what was and what wasnt said"    we said there would be new emotes... and there was!....  and thats all the ever said about the subject.

thats a small example, and of course not critical to the game at all.. but this is what happened to something that was critical, Alliance battles.... which turned out to not be alliance battles, at all.  and again they said "well, we didnt actually SAY that..."

It goes on... storage... trade...events.. everything they ever did, was always not quite what you were expecting.